jg2112

June 5th, 2015 at 11:22 AM ^

He's been doing this for a decade now. His ability as compared to his contemporaries, as well as the number of trophies he's won, probably puts him in the argument for greatest of all time. The only players who really compare at this point are Pele, Maradona, Cruijff, Beckenbauer and Di Stefano.

Had he won the World Cup last year, there would be no argument he's better than Maradona. What a bummer Argentina lost.

Gulo Blue

June 5th, 2015 at 11:24 AM ^

Sure, this statistical improbability means Messi is amazing, but when the Pats don't fumble, it means there must be a link between ball pressure and fumbling.

Everyone Murders

June 5th, 2015 at 11:33 AM ^

First Sepp Blatter "resigns".  Women's World Cup (pathetically on artificial turf, but exciting all-the-same).  And then the Champion's League tomorrow with Juventus having a chance to shock the world. 

We should see some brilliant soccer tomorrow.  Here's to hoping that Buffon plays lights out and Pogba puts in the winner.  Chiellini being out facially looks bad, but if Barzagli is truly mended he might be the better man to make Messi's life (relatively) difficult.  A bit more nimble than Chiellini (but without the strength, of course), and against Messi I'll take nimble over strong.

bacon1431

June 5th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^

What's scary is that he is only gonna be 28 at the end of this month. We've still got a few more years of him being impossible. And even after that, he'll still probably be one of the best into his mid 30s. Yikes. 

jmdblue

June 5th, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^

and as always I'm impressed by soccer at its best.  Unfortunately I don't think I'll ever get over dudes writhing in pain on the pitch as replay shows they were never touched.  

M football has always been and will always be my primary sporting interest, but I seem to gravitate toward sports with an opportunity to demonstrate one's cajones.  Chris Pronger trying to get off the ice after his heart stopped. Wheatley repeatedly returning to action in the 93 Rose Bowl despite debilitating cramps. Dudes getting up immediately after being drilled by 95 mph heat and getting to first before being asked by the base coach how it feels.  guys getting back on their rides in the Tour de France with broken collarbones.  This as opposed to Paul Pierce and worse, 3 of the greatest soccer players in the world being three of the greatest playactors... Neymar, Robben, and Ronaldo.  Gordie woulda kicked their asses.

truferblue22

June 5th, 2015 at 12:31 PM ^

I have played hockey for 25 years now. I've played soccer for 10. All of my worst injuries have come from soccer. It's FAR more agressive and tough than the average American gives it credit for, and it's funny if you think about it because it's all perception. In most of the rest of the world, if you DONT like soccer they'll call you a girl or a wuss.

One of my biggest pet peeves, though, besides people calling it a "sissy sport", is when people call it boring and they're sitting there in a Detroit Tigers hat. I have nothing against baseball or golf; but don't call my sport boring ESPECIALLY if you're a fan of either one of those two. 

OK done, sorry. 

jmdblue

June 5th, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^

It's clearly a physical sport.  Furthermore, it's nice because people of (nearly) any size can play assuming the have the requisite skills.  My problem is the faking injury.  Every time the big flop happens and they bring out the magic spray it destroys all the good will the game built over the past minutes of my watching.  

I understand why they do it.  A skilled offensive player can be neutralized by a mediocre defensive player if any real contact is allowed so the offensive player needs to be ready to fall to attract a call.  It's a flaw in the game that should be addressed.  It actually discourages guys from demonstrating their toughness.  What is interesting is when I discuss this with an American they invariably say... "Yeah, it sucks, but it's still a great game."  The same discussion with a (non British) European typically ends in "It's not the players' fault the refs all suck."  The concept of sportsmanship or honor are, apparently, completely beside the point.

Further, I don't mind gamesmanship in sports.  If a guy can get away with doctoring a baseball a little or (possibly) deflating a football on a cold day then more power to him.  But faking injury to try to get an opponent red carded offends my delicate sensibilities (as does steriod use).

mgoblue0970

June 5th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^

Ditto.

In my right foot, I have a bunch of hardware, gortex, screws, anchors, and donor material to rebuild the foot and ankle.

I have surgery on the 9th to reattach one of the muscles in my groin to the bone -- I tore it clean from the hip.

All of that happened in soccer.

wahooverine

June 5th, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^

It's despicable and I don't condone it, but like in any sports highest level players have every incentive to manipulate or deceive the refs into making calls that give them advantage. In soccer the upside for gaining a call (especially in the penalty box) is so huge you gotta do it. It often gets you a free shot on goal or service into the box. And, as we all know, goals are incredibly valuable in soccer.  There is almost no downside - flopping is rarely identified and penalized by refs- other than Americans will call you a pussy. Think about it rationally and it makes sense.  Flopping exists in every professional contact sport.

stephenrjking

June 5th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^

Same reason that doping is widespread and effectively overlooked across major sports: the benefit is huge. Flopping happens in basketball because the challenging nature of the block/charge call means that it can directly benefit the team. Low cost, good upside. Flopping in Soccer probably has a lower success rate, but the cost is still low. And the benefits are huge--penalties or free kicks near goal; further out, yellow or red cards that neutralize or remove opposing players for the entire game. That's a huge benefit. Even if it only works one out of ten times, that one success is worth whatever it takes. So it will continue.

Doughboy1917

June 5th, 2015 at 6:58 PM ^

Thank you for posting this.

I was about to post something like it when I scrolled down to find you'd already done it.

Messi is even more amazing because he never dives. Watching him successfully fight through double and triple teams with the ball is just incredible. Many other players would have been on the turf by then, but Messi plays through it and sometimes even scores or gets an assist afterward.

JamieH

June 5th, 2015 at 5:37 PM ^

you don't "gotta do it", but it seems that a lot of soccer players view cheating as the best (or I guess easiest) path to victory. Makes the sport nearly unwatchable.
 

Soccer organizations should take care of this with post-match penalties.  Caught flagrantly flopping on video?  Dropping to the turf like you were hit by a sniper when no one actually touched you?  100K fine and X match suspension (pick a number).  That would end the flopping really quick.  But no one has the guts to implement real measures to end it. 

jmdblue

June 5th, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^

Nor does he dive every time he moves toward the goal.  As I've said several times throughout this thread, I appreciate soccer, but there are no legit comparisons in terms of diving/faked injury between soccer and other contact sports.  

SalvatoreQuattro

June 5th, 2015 at 3:35 PM ^

I don't quite understand this obsession with hyper-machoism by some. Toughness is needed in real life, but not so such in a game. It's a sports. A game. It doesn't matter how tough you are or are not.

Some think sports are an arena to exhibit your toughness. What complete bullshit. It's entertainment and competition. Nothing more. Real toughness is that of those who live in a place like Afghanistan and having to deal with chaos all around them. Real toughness is a woman who has been raped and refusing to let the pain consume her. Real toughness is taking the challenges(cancer) of life and greeting them with steely determination and a grin on your face. That's toughness.

 

If you want to watch toughness you'll have to go somewhere other than an arena or stadium to find it. Million dollar athletes at the peak of their health and physical fitness backed by the best medical care money can buy is not toughness.

Blue Durham

June 5th, 2015 at 4:06 PM ^

All you have to do is draw a (imaginary) line from the origin to Messi's point. Anyone above that line would have a better per-game average than Messi, and below a worse one. The father away from the line, the worse average as compared to Messi. Everyone, including Ronaldo, are below that line, with the exception of a couple of guys who only played a few games. Its remarkable to have the amount of "usage" (number of games played) that Messi has and to have that kind of average.

socalwolverine1

June 5th, 2015 at 5:19 PM ^

Excited to see what the trio of South Americans, probably the greatest assemblage of strikers in futbol history, can do against an experienced Juventus side! Italian sides (and Chelsea) know how to park the bus better than anyone, so if Juve can score first, we may see a rerun of the 2012 Champions League semi final (Barca vs Chelsea, where Barca had 75% possession and lost). I just don't think we're gonna see a wide open game, like Barca vs. Bayern Munich a few weeks ago! Too bad about Chielini, I was looking forward to the rematch against Suarez!