Mistakes. Much better than his album
mesmerism! presidential assassinations! circuses on fire!
Mistakes. Much better than his album
Drake is a big no no. I was feeling J Cole at first but it actually started to get annoying at first. The last new artist I really was feeling is Joell Ortiz but he's not even that new.
I really wish I had seen this thread last night, this shit is right up my avenue. Some of those lists have glaring omissions. How is it possible to have a best producer list without DJ Premier on it? Or a best rapper list without Rakim? And all things considered, it's hard to say that Jay-Z isn't #1, he's been too good for too long. To me it goes
Scott Storch (HA Just Kidding!)
He blows my mind. I have no clue how people listen to his "music." To each his own but I see absolutely no talent
Okay hip hop might not be in terms "dead" I just think it will never be the same as the 90's. In my opinion I think Big L would have been the greatest if he didn't die so early. His freestyles were the best I ever heard RIP Big L and all the rap greats that we lost.
The reason people think hip hop is dead:
1. Waka Flocka Flame
2. Gucci Mane
3. Oj Da Juiceman
4. Lil B
5. Birdman (Laziest raps I've ever heard)
The reason there is still hope for hip hop:
1. Lupe Fiasco
3. Jay electronica
4. J. Cole
5. G.O.O.D. Music (Kanye, Common, Big Sean, ETC.)
2. Notorious B.I.G.
5. Snoop Dogg
I'd say move Kanye to your first list, and specify 90's Snoop Dogg for your last list and I agree with you.
No EM on your G.O.A.T. list?
"The reason there is still hope for hip hop:"
Pretty much just put the whole All City Chess Club
And has a video of lupe meeting denard, lets see if I can get it up on youtube
I agree mainstream hip hop is garbage but hip hop is not dead. The underground has never been better. Big Krit, Curren$y, Wale, OFWGKTA, Big Sean and Wiz have been putting out some really good music.
Respect from people who know real rap music. The Carter I and II are great albums. For me he (the Wayne that's not sippin sizurp) is in the second tier right behind Jay, Em, Big, and Pac. In no particular order for those four but they stand alone at the top. A lot of other dudes are in that second tier as well. But all of them have longevity. That's what is funny for me to see names like Lupe or Wale at the top of people's list. You have to be in the game for a minute before you can even be mentioned in the same breathe as Jay and Em and those dudes. And even then it's extremely difficult. Wayne has earned the right to be in that discussion for sure.
Weezy's biggest song is undoubtly Lollipop. Lyrics:
Okay, lil mama had a swag like mine
even wear her hair down her back like mine
i make her feel right when its wrong like lyin
Man, she ain never had a love like mine
n' man i aint never seen a ass like hers
and that pussy in my mouth had me at a loss fo words
told her to back it up like erp erp
and make that ass jump like shczerp shczerp
and thats when she said i lo-lo-look like a lollipop
How in the world you could even say those lyrics tell a story is mind boggling. Plus, in my mind, I hate his voice (sounds like he has throat cancer). Maybe some early stuff from him was good, but when someone continously claims to be the best ever and calls out people like Jay-Z, I can't take them seriously. For all I know he has some mixtapes with great tracks, but that just means he sells out on his albums, which makes me lose the little respect I had for him. Lil Wayne is a joke, and if you don't see that, you need to open your eyes.
Lupe's Words I Never Said:
I really think the war on terror is a bunch of bullshit
Just a poor excuse for you to use up all your bullets
How much money does it take to really make a full clip
9/11 building 7 did they really pull it
Uhh, And a bunch of other cover ups
Your childs future was the first to go with budget cuts
If you think that hurts then, wait here comes the uppercut
The school was garbage in the first place, thats on the up and up
Keep you at the bottom but tease you with the uppercrust
You get it then they move you so you never keeping up enough
If you turn on TV all you see’s a bunch of “what the f-cks”
Dude is dating so and so blabbering bout such and such
And that aint Jersey Shore, homie thats the news
And these the same people that supposed to be telling us the truth
Limbaugh is a racist, Glenn Beck is a racist
Gaza strip was getting bombed, Obama didn’t say shit
Thats why I aint vote for him, next one either
I’ma part of the problem, my problem is I’m peaceful
And I believe in the people.
Comparing these aren't even close. One is obviously better, tells a message and speaks about what someone is about. Hip hop and rap have a lot to do with beats, flow, and how well the song works in the end, but a huge part of how 'good' someone is depends on their message and what they're saying. Lupe Fiasco gets extra points for knowing who he is and not conforming to the traditional scene of money and drugs, but to his own personal scene of skateboarding and anime.
Is it a fair comparison to take one artist's worst work ever and compare to some of the best work of another artist? Come on, mang.
His most popular song is his worst? He's doing it wrong...
You must have come to the party quite late. Lil Wayne has been making music for quite a while. His most famous song by pop culture standards might be lollipop but to tru rap heads Wayne has put out great music. See The Carter I and The Carter II. Apparently you have a hard time listening to lyrics as well, as weezy said in the song best rapper alive, "I'm the best rapper alive, since the best rapper retired". Obviously referring to Hov, S.Carter, Jigga man, whatever you want to call him. Pay attention please. Why do you think Jay and Em have jumped on tracks with Wayne???????? Come on maaaaan.
Since when do you have to be a 'tru rap head' to know when someone is good? Name any great artist or band, I guarantee you didn't have to listen to certain tracks to claim they were great. I stated I don't like Weezy for his voice to start, but his music in general doesn't help his cause for me. I've heard enough Wayne to know I don't like him, and have never heard of a song with great lyrics (if you have one, please show me. I could easily be wrong). The fact that he doesn't have one lyrical story as a top, or even reletively known song, shows to me that he's doing it wrong.
I have a hard time listening to lyrics?
He never says "since the best rapper retired" in that song. He is obviously stating he's the best, which is laughable. "Pay attention please".
Jay-Z and Eminem can make tracks with anyone they want, that doesn't mean anything at all. Eminem made a song with Rihanna, does that make her great too?
It just seems odd to me that the people who like the mainstream, dumb it down music, like Lil Wayne. Maybe not causation, but there is certainly a correlation there.
So far I've seen no reason to change my mind on the subject really... He's terrible.
You must be listening to something else???
It's on the song bring it back. Same album. I don't care if you don't like Wayne. He's not my favorite rapper by any means. But some of the things you are saying is just funny.
I'm curious to know how filled up the Palace was. Me and a group of friends were going to go but when we found out tickets for the floor were $100+ and lower bowl was $90+ we bailed. We couldn't justify getting lower bowl seats for damn near as much as we spent on floor tickets for Em and Jay Z. I just really wanted to see Travis Barker do his thing again. I'm not a huge Weezy fan.
Lil Wayne has some really good songs and verses, but he also produces some of the biggest shit sandwiches ever. Most of his verses are just filled with punch-lines. Sometimes the punch lines are good, sometimes awful, but that's what they are --punch lines. His raps don't near the complexity of Nas or Jay-Z or Andre 3K. I have no problem admitting that Birdman Jr is pretty good, but he's nowhere near the level of those I just mentioned.
True that man, I agree. I listen to lots of Lil Wayne, he's better than most grumpy old hip hop heads give him credit for. He's good for the type of rap he does.
and you are all officially more stupid for listening to it.
I don't understand why people click threads about things they don't like solely to tell people they don't like it. You know what I don't like ? Your screen name, because Big Blue refers to Kentucky, not Michigan. Go piss and moan on a Wildcat forum.
Take ur 13 points and fack off. There are many hip hop fanatics on this site, many of whom are more intelligent and more accomplished than you, I'm sure. And yeah, who is big blue?
1. Immortal Technique.
Bigblue71 has a PHD -- a player hatin degree.
This poster is like many of my friends who ask why I listen to that music and then have me bring my Ipod to cook outs and make playlists for their wedding. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Am I the only person under the age of 18 on earth that hates Lil Wayne?
The future is bright for you, young Padawan.
19, but right there with you.
Most of my friends don't like him either. The ones who do at least recongize that his recent stuff has been trash. I have never been into rap though. I like Eminem and Jay-z's old stuff, Cudi's first album, some of Lupe's stuff, and that's about it.
I'm a hip-hop head who worships at the alters of Nas and the Wu and despises Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, and Rick Ross, but if you enjoy their music, then by all means you should listen to it.
Lasers was garbage.
1. It's not garbage at all
2. It's also not what Lupe wanted it to be
I got a car full of girls and its goin real swellllll, the next stop is the east siiiiiddeeee motellllllll
Amen to that. I have to disagree with the Master P take though. Even though he couldn't rap worth a damn, his No Limit roster had some of the most underrated rappers in the game. Fiend, Mac, and Mia X are some of my all time favorites, and Beats By The Pound, especially KLC are some damned good producers. They all were guilty by association with Master P, so a lot of people just assumed they were as wack as he was.
I still have this on my workout playlist...
Of course, I still own every No Limit CD from 1996-2001, so I may be biased.
I love threads arguing over whose tastes in music are right. They always come to such a wonderful ending. Usually everyone comes to the same conclusion.
He's a good guy. Any of you see him?
I don't really feel like comprising a list of my favorite MC's of all-time(it's 3:30am and my judgement is severely clouded right now, lol) but I'll leave you with a song by Gang Starr ft Big L(his verse is sick!) that came to my head immediately when looking over this thread..
And all though I'm not really into Styles P, him and Pharoach Monch rip this track! Just another good memory from back in my High School days!! I could go on and on, but I think its time for me to hit the sack!
edit- Unfortunately I don't know how to embed videos yet?
FWIW I was at the Wiz Khalifa concert last night, and he was reppin' a michigan jacket...Nice!