I know the story got broke early today about Braylon allegedly hitting a club owner this morning outside a Cleveland nightclub. Seems like LeBron doesn't take too kindly to Braylon's actions.
OT- LeBron calls Braylon 'childish'
LeBrons a douche
Braylon seems to be somewhat high-maintenance in the Detroit tradition (Webber, Rose, et al.). Obviously LeBron has that tendency, too. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the Court of Public Opinion (for what that's worth).
who the Cavs hope to re-sign to stay in Cleveland, versus a WR from Michigan?
I suggest a change of venue for that Court of Public Opinion.
There are many, many pro athletes from Detroit. You are seriously over-generalizing here. Anyway, how was Jalen Rose high maintenance? His personal conduct has been exemplary since he's gone pro to my knowledge.
This whole scenario makes no sense whatsover
lebron also says "My friend is 130 pounds. Seriously. It's like hitting one of my kids."
way to stand up for your brah, brah.
Braylon has been a tremendous (thanks Lloyd) disappointment in the NFL thus far.
Braylon broke numerous Michigan records and won the Biletnikoff while being coached by Lloyd Carr. While at Michigan he had no serious disciplinary problems nor did he have any serious problems with drops or route running, particularly his last two years.
I'm curious how any disappointment you're feeling is Carr's fault...
He meant thanks to Lloyd for his use of the word "tremendous"
ahh, thanks. now I feel silly.
He is a great receiver when it comes to difficult catches, but Braylon always had a concentration problem on the easy catches. Go back and watch some of his games, particularly his Junior year. He dropped quite a few.
I'm betting this 130 pounder dunked on Lebron, and now Queen James has to stick up for him or else he'll show the tape to everybody.
I've never met Braylon personally, but know a handful of folks who have hung out with him. He doesn't seem like the type of guy to just sock some dude in the face for no reason. I'm curious about the details.
That is exactly what I've always been told. Never heard a bad word about the guy.
I also don't get the "Braylon is jealous" angle from Lebron. Both guys are multi-millionaire pro athletes so I don't get what Braylon would have to be jealous about. Did Lebron intimidate him by showing off those fancy high school championship rings he has?
I enjoyed one of comments on the espn article; "What does he mean by "childish?" Childish, like having a videotape confiscated of someone dunking on you?"
biting your nails and throwing baby powder in the air.
His Highness has just enough ego to think that the baby powder routine is "sweet".
Lebron has plenty of issues in his own personal life that call into question his "maturity." He really should keep his opinion of other sports figures to himself.
Like what, out of curiosity?
Off the top of my head, and this is largely due to being in the ESPN spotlight 24/7, but thems the circumstances:
-The aforementioned confiscation of a tape of him being dunked on, ordered directly by LeBron.
-Being willing to leave Cleveland for Europe for cash. No one said that was a particularly mature move by Beckham when he did the almost exact same thing.
-Refusing to shake hands at the end of the series, then refusing to apologize for it.
-Not understanding what Darfur is, which like, come on, that is cause celeb numero uno these days. While you could say, "He's an athlete, he doesn't have to know that," I'd just say he's a dumbass.
I must've missed the time he said he'd leave Cleveland for Europe.....
Now LeBron himself didn't say it, it was a source close to him, but if you search LeBron Olympiacos, those rumors haven't exactly died. LeBron wants money, which, hey I can't blame him for, but I don't think many Cleveland fans would see things the same ways.
That is, after they got off their knees and finished LeBron off.
Lost me. Are you saying it would be childish to consider going to Europe for $50 Million a year. Fuck, if I were him, I'd go to Mars for $50 Million a year!
"Git cho ahz to Mahz."
Yeah, Total Recall kicks ass.
Not saying I wouldn't do it either, but just trying to point out that LeBron needs to consider what his words are after some of his actions. In that way, going to Europe, where the competition is markedly worse isn't exactly the sign of someone who wants to be the number one player in the world or anything.
It's probably, at best, tangentially related to the whole childish idea, but I'm seeing a connection there. I understand if others don't.
Don't know about his personal life, but the way he conducts himself in public is extremely immature. It's pretty clear that he depends on the opinions of others to determine his sense of self-worth. Otherwise, there would be no showboating, attention-whoring, or other nonsense.
From the comments:
"What does he mean by "childish?" Childish, like having a videotape confiscated of someone dunking on you?"
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LeBron shouldn't talk. He can save his comments for Shaquille.
who should be calling people childish...I've never seen Braylon refuse to shake the hand of an opponent after a loss.
How is lebron the last person to call some childish? LeBron is the best player in the league and pretty much is a good role model. Braylon has done nothing in his career.
What is the big deal of calling him childish? Just because someone famous says something bad about a Wolverine, doesn't mean the person is a bad person.
1. Kobe is the best player in the league.
2. LeBron is not a good role model.
3. The problem with him calling someone childish, is that he is childish himself.
4. It hardly has anything to do with Braylon being a Wolverine.
you're opinion, man.
about either Kobe or Lebron, but Lebron is definitely the
bigger star and more dominant player.
The Lakers are esentially an all star team like the Celts are (when healthy) and the Cavs are basically a one man show with a piss poor coach to boot.
You are being quite definitive when even most experts can't say who is better. The fact that LeBron gets better stats is in large part because of the fact he has less talent around him. Put Kobe on the cavs and see what he does when everyone gives him the rock every play. I would think he blows LeBrons stats out of the water. Put LeBron on the Lakers and yeah, he'll win a champoinship like Kobe, but his numbers wouldn't be as nice.
The fact that someone is a "bigger star" or "most sought after free agent" doesn't mean they are a better player. IME Kobe is the better player at this point and that has nothing to do with the fact that he has championship rings for most of his fingers.
Yup, we really need more young men with a huge national audience to have two kids but not get married to the mother.
(In LeBron's situation, not the worst thing or stupidest decision by any means, but it makes him pretty much the opposite of a good role model for many communities that struggle with single parenthood everyday. I'm also channeling a 65 year old, silent majority-type, man.)
Nothing? I guess you're right. It's not like he's ever made a Pro Bowl or broke his franchise's single-season receiving yards and touchdown records.
He's been pretty childish his entire career. He once called out his own teammate for a hard hit on an opposing WR. He also never has taken responsibility for all his dropped passes.
He will likely get a fresh start elsewhere next season, so maybe things will change. Bit given his track record, this incident isn't all that surprising.
Good, after the Browns franchise him, they'll get a late first from Chicago for him.
For a team with an enforcer like Urlacher, it would probably be best for him. But he and Winslow were running the roost in Cleveland, with no leadership from the head coach and no veteran presence to keep him in line. Not the best situation for him.
This can't be the same guy who tried to have Nike confiscate a video because he was embarrassed he got dunked on at a college showcase is it?
Speaking of Lebron and former Michigan players, that was a Lebron-esque call Brady got this weekend for "roughing" the passer. Is the NFL turning into the NBA??
Dude, f*ck Lebron.
That's it. Seriously. Neg me all you want, don't care, it's worth it.
I don't know why anyone gives 2 shits about anything this guy says or does. Most overrated "superstar" in all of professional sports.
Anyone notice in that article that Braylon's manager is former UM basketball player Hayes Grooms?
He was the coach a few years after Braylon left UM and somehow, someway, someone needs to find a way to lay this one at his feet.
We never had problem with our players in the pros before he became coach.
I'm just sayin'
I do not like Lebron. Braylon went to Michigan and is one of my all time favorite players. Screw you Lebron.
Yes we all love Braylon, but to call Lebron childish and selfish is kind of wrong. Yeah he didn't shake hands after that game. Who cares if he isn't aware of Darfur and speaking out against it.
What I know for a fact Lebron has done is resurface every park basketball court in the city of Akron. He replaces the rims on hoops that ignorant mother fucking assholes rip down to put on the side of their house. He pays to cover spray paint also. AND he gives a fuck ton of bicycles away to HIS charity event once a year. He hosts a basketball camp and signs every autograph.
My point is if you want to call him childish or what ever go ahead, but when you talk about his flaws you damn well should weigh them out with the positives and you will see that they are in favor of the positives. And yes that was a run-on sentence
Fair enough, and we should note that Braylon's given quite a bit back to Detroit and U-M, as well.
And thats great. Neither have any room to talk. Both have been childish at times and other times they have been good "role models".
Do you have any idea how much money he makes? Seriously, not to offend you but I get so sick of people singing the praise of a pro athelete, movie star etc who does a little something for his neighborhood. Does that mean they should be able to act like assholes in all other circumstances? Not shaking hands after a loss IS childish, it doesn;t matter how many basketball courts he fixed. Doing the things he does for "charity" would be like you giving a bumb on the street 10 dollars so spare me all the "Lebron's greatness should never be questioned because he throws a couple bones to some charities".
LeBron is a self-righteous ass and I hope he does go to play in Europe so I don't have to hear anything about him again!
Not shaking hands after a loss IS childish, it doesn;t matter how many basketball courts he fixed.
There is no denying that not shaking hands was wrong, unsportsmanline, and childish. But to say that "it doesn't matter how many courts he fixed" implies that
- Him shaking hands is MORE important than him hosting Thanksgiving dinner for 1000 people (he did this both in Akron and Cleveland) and giving them all gift cards to grocery stores and public transit vouchers?
- Him shaking hands is more important than him rebuilding city parks in Cleveland and Akron (which includes resurfacing courts)?
- Him shaking hands is more important than giving hundred of bikes away to impoverished children?
Look - I know how rich he is. I know that he can afford it. But sorry - him helping thousands of people a year, no matter how "easy" it is for him to do it is more than I, and I'm sure you do every year, and it's INFITINELY more consequential than whether he shakes Kobe Bryant's hand.
Your post borders on the pathalogical.
I didn't say that was more important but you can take from my post whatever you wish.
Also, lending context to a situation is far more important than you are making out in your post which makes it border on pathalogical IME.
A thanksgiving dinner for 1000 people probably cost $20,000.00 at $20 a head which is probably over pricing it. Let's say he bought 1000 bicycles at $100.00 a pop to total $100,000.00. Let's say he resurfaced and fixed 100 basketball courts at $2000.00 a piece (which again is more than likely a very gross over-estimation) you get $200,000.00. That is a grand total of $320,000.00 or 3 days worth of his annual income. Peanuts!
While I am at it, don't presume to guess how much I do for my community. As a Doctor I take part in many free health clinics put on in my community and also help in fundraising etc for our hospital and local charities. I have been to numerous Third World countries while working with Doctors Without Boarders as well. So while he may do a lot more in the realm of charity work than you, it doesn't mean he does more than everyone.
I will conclude by saying that given the context that I have added to your post, many people give (in a combination of their time and money) more than 3 days out of the year to charity and don't get near the recognition LeBron gets.
All that being said, I still didn't imply that not shaking hands negates what he has done, the same as his charity work doesn't negate the fact that not shaking hands is childish.
Let's take off the Maize and Blue colored specs for a second here. I loved Braylon as a player, too, but let's go to the tape:
He has an unknown disciplinary problem, leading Lloyd to sit down and talk to him. This leads to him joining the track team to stay focused in the offseason.
After the draft, he whines about not being picked first or second and makes claims that he was promised by the teams ahead of Cleveland that they'd take him.
After a horrible season last year, so bad he lost his endorsements, he decided to pull all of his charitable activities out of Cleveland because the fans booed him.
Is it at all possible that he's a bit childish? LeBron might be, too, that's fine. But let's not act like it's Saint Braylon who does nothing wrong ever.