OT: Kony 2012

Submitted by Lupe Fiasco on

I know politics is a NO-NO but I dont consider this to be and more of an event

KONY 2012 is a film and campaign by Invisible Children that aims to make Joseph Kony famous, not to celebrate him, but to raise support for his arrest and set a precedent for international justice.
Pledge your support at http://bit.ly/konydonate and continue to share this story. 

Watch the video down below, its half an hour but well worth it.

 

Danwillhor

March 8th, 2012 at 1:18 AM ^

Listen, the concept and notion of stopping issues like this is amazing. However, this is merely a glorified fanclub/flashmob of ignorant teens and college kids thinking that clicking the "like" button makes a difference. Oh, and putting up posters. Totally great plan. Yet, lets assume Kony is captured. What then? You gonna join up to "Person X 2012"? Because what I'm quickly finding out is that most of these morons didn't even know child soldiers and African war lords existed until this video, let alone that Kony is just one of hundreds and someone would just take his place anyway. This is the single most bullshit, herd behavior ignorant "movement" Ive ever seen. Unless you invade 3/4 of Africa and wipe them all out (kinda what they wanna stop, right?) NOTHING will change. Forget that this guy's charity only uses 21% of proceeds on charitable causes. Do you think posters and a video will change shit? Are you that fucking naive? Have you BEEN to Africa? I'm guessing no because if you had you would find this not only naive but somewhat insulting. Its just a social media jerkoff club that is the newest fad to be forgotten in a few months. Might as well call it a meme. A bunch of ignorant suburban kids and 100 non-combat US troops going to stop African plight? You think an entire Ugandan platoon wouldn't turn their backs for a mere $10 bribe if they did find him, alone and weaponless? You think you get Kony and nobody replaces him (forget about the 300 other war lords just as bad as he is)? You think Africa becomes a paradise on Earth if you get Kony? Getting him means nothing. You really care? Instead of posters and bracelets, pool that cash to hire a PMC army to take him out. Tons got the time now that they aren't in Iraq. Heck, grab a gun yourself! Oh, wait, thats harder than being a ignorant sheep and hitting the "like" or "RT" button. Go back to your iPhone and your fuckin.....Jersey Shore and all the other shit that kept you retarded enough to not even know about this shit until a youtube video. How the fuck does anyone over 12 yrs old NOT know about African plight? Its a joke. But send your $5 and plaster posters in April and talk about how you "made a difference" like a Facebook cyber warrior. Feel good about yourself but know you didn't change shit, maybe made the issue worse and made a guy rich. /rant over /bring on the hate

Noleverine

March 8th, 2012 at 1:33 AM ^

Since we can't stop them all, why bother trying to stop one? Sounds like a sad way to live life.

We do what we can: in this situation, that's increasing awareness that things like these are going on. A lot of Americans are blind to these things, and like to think the world is just fine. The first step of action is knowledge, and that's what it's trying to spread. While not all may agree on the tactics, the thought behind it is sound. Strength is found in numbers.

Danwillhor

March 8th, 2012 at 2:56 AM ^

I understand that notion but you're not even stopping one. Not one. Its one of many African "liberation armies" that wouldn't miss a beat if Kony was captured or killed. Why? Because he would be replaced in a literal minute. Or, worse yet, the group fractures into multiple factions all fighting for control and making the horror worse. Again, I truly get the notion. I even cherish it. However, this "Kony 2012" bullshit fanclub accomplishes ZERO. Yes, more are now aware of how Africa works and that is great despite the sad fact that it took a social media firestorm to inform people as old as 24+ to the issue. If people are already that ignorant and uncaring about the world outside their iPhone, suburb and Kardashian marriage......what makes anyone think this will change them or anything? If it was for "saving our right to download illegally" or "make more white iPads", the largely ignorant masses could do something. But that same crowd bringing down Kony and his faction? Just his, not even the hundreds others! Not gonna happen. These people just want to be in a club. They want to feel like they changed the world with the click of a mouse or tweet as they wait in line to buy a Playstation Vita with their extra cash. Nobody cares and I do not take pleasure in that. You dont care. I dont care and 99.9% of these new "online warriors" dont give flying rats fuck about African plight. If they did, it wouldnt have taken a youtube video for anyone older than 12 to say something about it. They didnt because despite daily commercials begging for help and news channels/websites that makes the situations obvious, they are too busy caring about football recruits and their facebook and twitter and shit too say anything. Again, go to Africa. Fly into SA and drive North in any direction. Oh, hire an escort crew so you dont get murdered as soon as they see a white man alone, btw. Do that and drive North in any direction and just see Africa. Check it out. Then, come back and tell me if this movement isnt actually very insulting and self serving regardless of intent. The only solution is the literal invasion of about 80% of Africa by a coalition of modern armies. Also, lowering the insane debt and interest rates almost every nation pays and keeps them in the poverty that creates these war lords. Also, stop buying your woman dimonds as 20% come from these war lords. And so on and so on...... But, girls need diamonds so you can get laid and no debt/interest will be erased and many of the countries needed to invade benefit from guys like Kony. Welcome to the real world. T.I.A.

UMichClass2017

March 6th, 2012 at 11:28 PM ^

My high school is actively involved in Invisible Children, so I can attest to how good of a cause this is.  Thanks for posting to share with others who didnt know about it.  

bacon1431

March 6th, 2012 at 11:36 PM ^

For any college students on the board, I encourage you to get involved with an Invisible Children chapter at your school. If they don't have one, you can start one or get involved with a similar organization such as International Justice Mission. Human trafficking is still one of the biggest plagues in the world. I encourage you all to read "Not For Sale" by David Batstone. Informative read on the issue both domestic and international.

1 percent

March 7th, 2012 at 2:01 AM ^

Had not heard about this at all. Thank you so much. Right now Im stationed North of San Diego so Ill be making a trip to the HQ this weekend. Thanks again.

B-Nut-GoBlue

March 7th, 2012 at 4:18 AM ^

I've definitely heard of Joseph Kony.  I did not know anything of this nature happening to cease his destruction.  Good stuff.  I hope this evil is caught.

gobluepenn6

March 7th, 2012 at 4:23 AM ^

Sorry to rain on the parade, but it is tough for me to support this cause.  it seems like a lot of propoganda on the part of the directors.  I realized personally that getting the word out is important to the cause, but come on.  This fund barely uses any of its money to actually support the cause while it is also being heavily backed by a corrupt ugandan government.  There are a lot of problems in Africa, and this is one.  But my money could be better spent on actual help than a "kit" with some rope and posters.  Get the word out, fine.  But how about these guys do themselves a favor - sign up for the army and go kill the children guarding Kony.  

We have kids starving and abandoned here in the US too.  And you know what?  A little piece of rope and a poster ain't gonna do anything except make our cities hire people to clean our mess up once the trendiness of this cause wears off and people finally move on. 

Jeremy Who?

 

For more info - visit http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

ak47

March 7th, 2012 at 10:55 AM ^

So because there are problems in the U.S. we should just ignore the rest of the world? That's some pretty sound logic right there.  I don't know enough about IC to donate money and would certainly advocate doing research on how funds are spent before donating to any cause and there are actually websites that show which groups do a good job.  However you also are saying they should do themselves a favor and kill the kids guarding Kony? Are you  stupid or just willfully ignorant on the issue because that is one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read.

LB

March 7th, 2012 at 11:33 AM ^

When you fight, they will die. When they die, the media will splash pictures across every monitor in the world. War is ugly, the pictures will be ugly. Kony is a vicious warlord who follows no rules. At some point, some 18 year old will make an error in judgement and all the people who want us to "oh, pleasssssssssse go do something" will be up in arms. My god, we poured water in a few noses and look at the backlash.

We will not go and prosecute a war. We will go and fight yet another political action. Young Americans will die - nothing will change. Leave them here, let them play football. Oh wait, they might get concussions. Send them off to war instead.

Now, shall we touch on Hollywood celebrities who want to do this? Which one of them will take responsibility for the first child killed by an American troop?

I know, just advisors. See my other post. 

ak47

March 7th, 2012 at 12:00 PM ^

I never advocated for U.S. military intervention and while yes war is ugly these kids are also kidnapped from their homes drugged out of their minds and know if they ever go against orders they will be killed.  Many have been forced to kill their own families.  This isn't a normal war against a normal army which is what makes Kony so terrible.  He has been doing this for 15 years and entire villages have been destroyed, to just ignore these issues is akin to ignoring the holocause in world war 2.  Its not our people dying so who gives a fuck am i right? 

lhglrkwg

March 7th, 2012 at 11:50 AM ^

I don't want to start an argument, but IC has scholarship funds directed toward former child soldiers, they sent up early alarm systems for towns in Uganda, etc. The idea behind 'Kony 2012' is to make Joseph Kony a well known name because this has been going on for yeeears over there and still no one knows who the guy is

And I don't believe this is just another issue in africa, this is probably the worst thing in africa going on right now, possibly even the world

julesh

March 7th, 2012 at 7:14 PM ^

IC has a lot of issues, and that's the problem. If you didn't read the link provided, here it is again: http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

IC may have good intentions but they seem to be a film production company that gets the money to produce its films through charitable donations. Raising awareness is not going to achieve anything. In fact, even without the awareness, the US is already involved in trying to take down LRA. 

JohnnyV123

March 7th, 2012 at 8:06 AM ^

Okay well this IS politics even though I agree it is a good cause. (even though I have some doubts about the Invisible Children promoting Kony 2012)  If you haven't yet, watch the half hour film very interesting.

To me though and I don't want to be a downer, this still isn't the place to be posting this. I come here to get away from this kind of stuff. There are a lot of great causes out there and although this is one of them I'm here on mgoblog to talk and hear about sports, not politics.

Just because someone is trying to make this a bigger event doesn't mean it should get a free pass on here.

ascherman's post counters what the Invisible Children are doing with their money and who they support. Sounds like a political debate stirring up. Oh joy.

Socrates Johnson

March 7th, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^

so is the documentation of how IC uses it's funds.  I had heard about them before- they have very passionate advocates.  But I worry about supporting hte cause.  Just my 2 cents.

LB

March 7th, 2012 at 11:09 AM ^

Go to YouTube - find the clips of LBJ "sending advisors".

Stop declaring war by iPhone for a bit, visit DC, look at the 58,000 names on that black monstrosity and consider what you are doing. 

On top of everything else, the ICC is supported by Amnesty International, who continues to rail against an American President. Let someone else play policeman with their own 18 year olds.

ak47

March 7th, 2012 at 12:54 PM ^

Just so you know in 2010 the US sent 100 armed special forces units to to Uganda to help find Kony, none of them died.  The US has declared him a terrorist and has attempted to help catch him before.  Efforts to stop Kony have reduced child recruitment by 80% since 2003.  There are plenty of reasons to critique Kony 2012 and not support military intervention but you are doing it because you are misinformed.  The kids in Kony's army can be as young as 8 or 9, not 18 and you are mad at IC because they align with a group willing to criticize the US? are we the only ones allowed to look at ourselves critically or can the US just do no wrong.

PatrickBateman

March 7th, 2012 at 12:34 PM ^

These countries need to smarten up and acquire some extractable, profitable natural resources. Seriously Syria, no one cares about you because cashews (or whatever your top export is...) are only mildly tasty and roasted peanuts are far superior. Libyan oil however, whoa buddy! Release the war aero-planes Mr. President, that S**T IS GOOD! Uganda, can't you at least find some bauxite or something?

/s

But only a little.

joeismyname

March 8th, 2012 at 12:32 PM ^

Im not necessarily for or against this video...obviously i am disgusted by the actions of Kony, but I really don't understand why it took the invisible children group so long to make an awareness video of this caliber. I've known about invisible children since I was in High School back in the earlier 2000's, but literally didn't really know anyting of Kony until just a couple years ago. Something makes me think they were more concerend about selling shirts and getting a bunch of college and high school kids hyped up for their cause and their name more than they were actually concerned about stopping Kony outright.

I'm glad they finally are getting his name out, but who am I to talk considering I'm probably going to go on living my life either way. It's a sad truth that their is horrible injustice like this going on in Africa, but it's not the only injustice in the world of its caliber. There are also child slaves for sex all over the world, just ask those who have gone to the last couple of World Cup Soccer events. And probably the worst of all is mass genocide happening in the Democratic Republic Of The Congo in which neighboring countries (Including the gov't these people are supporting) have horribly exploited the poorest nation in the world for its vast array of natural resources and brutally murdered about 6,000,000 citizens that have gotten in the way. Yeah, that's the same amount as the Holocaust. To say stopping the LRA will bring any kind of real peace to Africa is ludacris, but nonetheless, it would be a great thing.

I am a firm Christian beliver in the country where it is easiest to call yourself a Christian and go off and do whatever you want, and I think it will be a great, but small victory for the people of Africa. It may bring an end to one of its many hundreds and maybe thousands of problems that cause African people so much suffering. I think it is in a bit of poor taste to make money off of this issue, which the invisible children people are in order to make more bracelets, posters, T-Shirts, etc., but who am I to judge anyone.

I just think it is kind of sad that the facebook heroes of the world are just now realizing who Kony is and avidly posting about him like they are part of some solution, while they are simultaneously untagging themselves in photos of biligerent drunkeness, commenting on photos of their most recent trip to Cozumel and how much they miss it, and posting statuses complaining about their broken iphone screens.

I post this because I am exactly the same way at times about worldly things, and have the same faults as any other spoiled American, which is why I choose not to have an outspoken political voice, because I know regardless, I will go on living my life with the same faults I do everyday, and I have to worry about fighting those. I am totally against the injustice that is happening, but it is only one of many that have happened in our world's history. God always has a way out of these things eventually, and it can't always be the American military, and most certainly isn't a facebook group. So I am simply going to go on worrying about those around and those I have come in contact with and care about on a personal level first. I will pray that this finds a way to stop, and at this point I really think that is all us normal Americans can really expect to do realistically. I hope this plan works.

Section 1

March 8th, 2012 at 12:58 PM ^

I am not so sensitive to politics, nor to OT threads.  To be sure, this is both; it is vaguely political and it is unabashedly Off Topic.

What I am exquisitely sensitive to, is social media manipulation.

I laughed, and finally decided to post on this, when I saw a nearly identical thread at ElevenWarriors.com.  I presume that 20-somethings have linked the story on websites related to golf equipment, high performance cars, knitting, fly fishing, the Grateful Dead and fans of the 1960's tv show "Gilligan's Island."  Always with, "I know this is off topic, but this is really important..."

Folks, this thing is a social media phenomenon.  Like Justin Bieber.  I got the distinct feeling that somebody has a marketing class assignment on how widespread they could get this cause to go.  I also had the feeling that Invisible Children (which spends 2/3 of its budget on marketing) exists as a kind of advanced film studies and marketing class in the social media age.

Now if the mods don't want to take this down, I'm okay with it.  If this is going to stay up on this board -- a board concerned with Michigan athletics -- I'm okay and as my contribution, I'd like to post this link to a recent Wired magazine article about the social media manipulation involved with this cause:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/03/kony-2012/ 

I actually find it quite fascinating.  Somewhwere on Madison Avenue, there must be some young marketing pros -- hopefully a few with Michigan diplomas -- who are tracking this phenomenon and figuring out how to make it work for Whirlpool, or Chrysler, or Dow Chemical or Amway.