So will this thread very soon.
OT- Kim Jong-Il has died
meh, it's big news, albeit not about Michigan
I agree and thanks for the big news. Personally I like that you posted it but it seems like threads get killed at a pretty fast rate around here lately.
I agree it is very big news. This video just goes to show you that these people don't know any better.
I don't think so. Pretty big news. May as well hear it here first. This is Osama minus SEAL intervention, dude was a loose cannon.
He was a big fan of Hollywood. Perhaps a plot twist? He surfaces in Kansas? So what can all you interlectuals tell me about his hair apparent?
Dude, there's no one in North Korea that will ever be able to replicate that hair.
Perhaps they ship somebody in... dare I say a somebody with hand puppets?
Dammit somebody, write up a "GERG takes over North Korea diary and fast.
Yeah but Gerg would never be able to build as effective a wall around the country as his predecessor did.
GERG would have the border patrol playing way too far off the line.
If I was RR (yea, I just went there) it would be a head asplode moment.
RR: Michigan HC -> Arizona HC
Gerg: Epic fail NCAA DC -> [Third] World Leader
We would definitely need a new chapter in 3&O.
I hear the Donald still wants to hold office.
/Hair joke. Not Political
In addition to all of his obvious faults, Kim Jung Il wore a toupee as well?
I had hoped that the fact that 'hair' was preceded by interlectuals would have been obvious enough. I should have known better though, grammar abides.
...that no one will wear a steel-core, stranded aluminum, black hairpiece nearly as well as "Dear Leader" did. His son's hair just isn't the same.
I live in Korea and the feeling here is not too tense yet... His craziest-ass son is the new center of the universe. Worries are that the military will take control b/c he's too young/weak. Having nuclear weapons pointed at my city (Ulsan) is uncomfortable, but not too bad. You certainly get used to it after many years of not getting blown up yet.
The single best thing you can watch about North Korea is this hilarious/insightful/educational documentary from a guy who snuck into North Korea:
no OT and this might be toeing the line regarding politics.
Okay... this is a bigger deal than some guy named Ira getting promoted. Or the Lions. As far as politics, as long as crazy is not the straight ticket you toe, this doesn't really cause much of an argument.
From my understanding even Marxists have issues with the way North Korea's political system was run. Unless someone from his faction of the Worker's Party of Korea is browsing the site, I doubt we'll get a flamewar breaking out.
I'll man the anti-Communist data fortress like Poland protecting Europe from communism at the Battle of Warsaw in 1920.
Well they'll likely find someone else to be dictator. not really politics because no one in our country supports him.
Now he can't point at things anymore. :(
was in some way involved with the death of a North Korean dictator?
He had the most to gain. He is now the world's most well known finger pointer.
Step two in this plot is to do something about that Rungrado May Day stadium so our size ranking can rise.
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No OT and whatnot. But for now, this is a big thing, and is not 'politics.'
FWIW, his son Kim Jong Un has been in position to replace him for about 18 months now.
EDIT: Also, and this should go without saying, but racism (other than Team America-based racism) and actual politics are still uncool, and will be deleted.
Pull this thread? Why not just admit you hate barbeques and the fourth of July! Durnit.
Longer than that really.
But he's been in his current post (Deputy Supreme Enlightened Commander in Chief of the Universe, I believe) since summer of '10.
does that mean Kim Jong Un apparently has hair?
And it sounds like something might have been deleted...but how off topic would something have to be to be "political"? Is there a contingent in support of ass-crazy murderous to their own people foreign dictators with horrible singing voices party around here to offend? North Korean sympathizers? People who REALLY didn't like Team America?
I'm not seeing where the debate is going to come from...it'd be like a "sanctions against Ohio State are bad" crowd. And frankly, those trolls are probably given more leeway.
All I'll say is one guy tried to start a good ol' "only idiots don't agree with..." argument about foreign relations. It was stopped before it got too ugly
I just read that his son Kim Jong Un is going to take over. He is believed to be in his late 20's.
Kim Jong Un is not likely to be much of a major departure from his father, but you never know.
I'm assuming you've seen at least a documentary about the country or read a book. There's no way he's a major departure. He's probably a carbon copy actually.
Even better: I was in Navy intel for a little while and got to read all about it. I'm not exactly disclosing classified info, though, when I say: yup, not very different. I wouldn't go so far as to say "carbon copy," but there's a reason he was groomed as successor and not the other two sons.
Wow, that's pretty sweet. I've always found the North Korea situation interesting. Must have been pretty cool to get the inside scoop.
Less than you might think. Honestly, the "inside scoop" is not terribly different from the public perception. It's just faster. I've been out of the loop for a year and a half, too, so what I "know" is getting more obsolete by the day. Plus there's inside scoop and then there's inside scoop, you know?
It wouldn't surprise me in the least, though, if KJI died like a week ago and intel already knew. One never gets the impression that North Korean authorities would be totally honest about this event. No doubt all the swallows and doves in the country are shedding oceans of tears over their Dear Leader.
Agree that most classified stuff on nK is boring(at least from three years ago), but one thing that scares me is what really happens now(disclaimer:all my conjecture comes from unclassifed open source type stuff, so I'm not pulling back any veils) There's a school of thought that some of the more aggressive nK generals were being held back by KJ. If this is true, then things may get bad-interesting faster than we might like. This is a very worrisome day in my opinion.
How do you mean aggressive re: the generals?
If you really want to know what goes on over there, Vice.com is a terrific website. http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1...
Too bad his son that will take over is just as crazy.
I'm sure it would be pulled if it was a more active time for the board, but I'm okay with it being up for a bit just because of its importance to the world. Also, doesn't feel nearly that political - my guess is that most posters feel that his death, while tragic in the very basic sense when anyone dies, is probably for the overall good of his country and its people given the tyranny displayed throughout his time as the leader of North Korea. And yes, I'm sure his heir-apparent son won't be much of a change, but hopefully having a younger individual at the helm will open up more communication channels between the nation and the rest of the world.
That dude shot an 18 the first time he played golf. Talk about an ace.
The AP just updated their story: his condition has actually been downgraded from "Kim Jong Il" to "Kim Jong Dead"
and then I definitely LOLd
The world just said goodbye to the best golfer to have lived. Truly, a sad day.
Eleven (11!) holes in one in a single round. I mean, how do you even bet greenies with that guy?
They will make a new "Team America" movie!!!
Been dead for years; this is just the cover story.
Word is that Kim Johg Healthy will be replacing him
Wow, what a terribre ross. :(
I roved him in Team America: Worrd Porice.
Oh herro, Hans Brick!
Is very sad.
I don't have much to say...uh, go democracy...ok, shut it down...
it was already sprung on non sporting sites, this stuff is better left to CNN, or MSNBC or the like. While I'm at it, fuck that big lolly pop headed dictator buffoon.
Salivating and on the edge of your seat? The overlly political comment to blow up this post is coming--I can taste it. It's like watching a drunk guy fight a brick wall: you know he's gonna knock himself out, its just a matter of time.
I happened to have a bottle of cheap soju in my fridge that's well stocked with homemade kimchi. That soju's been in there for like 18 months; it takes something like Kim Jong-il dying to bring me to drink it.
And may the penninsula stay peaceful.
Gruden is one of the leading candidates to take over. He was recently spotted in Pyongyang looking at houses.
BOOM! Great equalizer'd!
but i wonder how this news is being handled by our men and women who are stationed in s. korea and okinawa?
The S. Korean military is on alert, per this BBC report. Maybe our troops will be, too?
South Korea's military has been put on alert following the announcement and its National Security Council is convening for an emergency meeting, Yonhap news agency reports.
No doubt our troops in South Korea are going to a higher state of readiness for a while. I doubt Okinawa, though.
The Air Force there is definitely on higher alert. Some Marine units as well.
(ex-AF Pilot and was stationed on Okinawa).
the USMC is always on alert. 1st in, last out. if it absolutely has to be destroyed over night, call 1-800-jar-head.
Greatest golfer of all time. Nobody will ever break 40 for 18 again.
He will not be missed. They say his son will be next in line, but I hear that Craig James is trying to get into politics and is crazy. Perhaps a surprise leader will emerge?
Let's keep the rumors out of this. There is no evidence that Craig James killed five hookers while in Pyongyang.
of all time. It has been reported he scored a hole-in-one in every round he played. Tiger Woods can now attempt to catch him.
Things will be tense for some time on the Korean peninsula. I certainly can't predict the future, but I do hope that sooner or later, South and North Korea reunite. Many families were split somewhat permanently back in 1953, when prisoners of war had to make a choice: return to North Korea over "the bridge of no return," or stay in South Korea, and never see your family again. I knew two professors personally (this is more than 20 years ago) who had not seen their home for close to 40 years (at the time.)
It is hard to say exactly what things are like, but poverty and lack of opportunity and personal freedom seems rampant in North Korea. I'd love to see that change. It was beautiful to backpack up to the top of Soraksan in South Korea. I'd love to go back someday and be able to go to the top of the tallest mountain, Baekdusan, which is on the border of North Korea and China.
Edit: Nevermind.... Even though I was kidding, don't wanna get the thread shut down.
Parade had their list of 5 worst dictators.
5. Bashar al-Assad, Syria
4. Islam Karimov, Uzbejistan
3. Omar al-Bashir, Sudan
2. Isaias Afewerki, Eritrea
1. Very very recently deceased
What the hell do you have to do to be worse right now than Assad, I wonder?
Karimov jails activists, journalist (not Rosenberg), and anyone practicing religion other than Islam, with 7000 prisoners being held and tortured. Students, teachers and kids as young as 9are forced to harvest cotton living in barracks in inhumane conditions.
Al-Bashir has bombed civilians, killing untold numbers and causing 100,000 to flee. The ICC has charged him with genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in Darfur, where 300,000 have been killed in the last 8 years (and embezzled billions).
Afrewerki, in the not made up Country of Eritrea has no constitution, every male at 18 must enter "national service" which is forced labor at the penalty of deat. Unsanctioned religious beliefs are cause for imprisonment and torture, as are activitists and journalists (still not Rosenberg). 50,000 refugees have fled to Ethiopia (if you're running to Ethiopia, you know you have problems), and allegedly he's aiding Al Qaeda militants.
Not to discount Assad's military bombing and firing on revolt crowds, with 3500 demonstrators (250 children) killed. It's so bad even the Arab League has placed sanctions on Syria. But hey, he not just an ophthalmologist, but an EVIL ophthalmologist.
Rounding out the top ten of "we won't be sorry when you're gone":
6. U Thein Sein, Myanmar (who's actually considered an improvement from the guy before him)
7. Gurbanguly Berdymukhammedov, Turkmenistan (who would be a great name Tournament guy if he wasn't such a bad one)
8. Raul Castro, Cuba (similar situation to N. Korea takeover...?)
9. Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Equatorial Guinea (see #7)
10. Hugo Chavez, Venezuela (but hey, Sean Penn likes him, so he has that going for him, which is nice)
Though yes, ranking them is kinda arbitrary. Kinda like the 50 most beautiful people and their ilk lists. (Did Brad Pitt REALLY get that much less dreamy than last year...?)
urban meyer freak-outs in perspective...
hell yea, send that crazy-ass-hooker-serial-killer craig james over there.
He looked like my aunt Rosie.
I'm trying to find the satelite pictures of North Korean mass graves (mounds) from the late 90s famine. Estimates ranged from 300-800,000 people per year starved to death for about 5 years.
As someone of South Korean heritage, I'm truly glad the fu*ker will be rotting in hell. Hopefully, his sadistic regime will be crumbling as well.
The world got a litte worse this morning when Vaclav Havel died. It got a little better in the afternoon/evening when Kim Jong-Il died.
If anyone wants to read a fascinating book about North Korea, read Nothing to Envy. It deals mostly with the mid-'90s to early-'00s famine years.
Wow, i didn't know Havel died today. That's sad. :(
i visited North Korea last year and wrote a diary about it on here. after that experience of seeing just how important Kim Jong Il was to the fabric and (relative) political stability of that country, his death is certainly not good news. from what I have read, this is much sooner than had been anticipated, and his son has yet to gather the support of the military (and the rest of his family) to make for a smooth transition (Kim Jong Un is still in his twenties, and many generals who fought alongside Kim Il Sung are not pleased that some spoiled kid with no experience could legitimately take power). I seriously think this siutation is prime for a coup by the miltary, and it could get pretty ugly pretty fast. this is bad not only for North Korea, but for its regional neighbors as well - ROK, PRC, and Japan. I would be very nervous if I was over there - the threat of civil war (god forbid even nuclear) is certainly looming in the background. i certinaly hope this gets resolved quickly and smoothly - the sudden collapse of the North is much more dangerous than many may think.
I think you're 100% correct. Although I doubt Kim Jong Un is cut from any different cloth than Kim Jong Il, it needs to be remembered that the North Korean military is huge - especially in relation to the population - and a power struggle is very possible. KJI had a nice cozy relationship with China, which was one of the main factors keeping his regime in power and legitimizing it. It totally remains to be seen what the PRC thinks of Junior, and if they pull their support it could be awfully destabilizing. (Which is why I bet they don't.)
One thing you may see is a flood of refugees coming out of both the north and south borders of the country. If the army is perceived to not be totally in support of a new Dear Leader, people gonna book it while they can.
I have a hard time hoping for a smooth resolution because that's likely to just mean business as usual in North Korea, which isn't good. A little upheaval might be a worthwhile price to pay for reunification or at least a change in standard operating procedure. The nukes are a nasty wild card, though.
booking it is gonna be kinda hard with a little placed called the DMZ
living in Korea now, this is a bit scary
Once the soldiers stopped caring, East Berliners figured out how to get past that pesky wall pretty quick. I don't think it's at all implausible that the North Korean soldiers at the DMZ stop being interested in keeping people in, or that the South Koreans on the other side decide not to force them back.
It's hard to say what the ROK's contingency plans are, but I doubt letting a flood of refugees cross the DMZ is a part of any of them. That would be massively destablizing for both states.
I think the plans of the interested parties - US, ROK, PRC - is to take a "wait and see" approach.
They're literally thousands of manned watchposts all along the line, you'd have to cross about 4 miles of open land that's been heavily mined. There's a reason why defectors take the long route into china, then thailand or something before coming to seoul.
When a defector tried cross at the "peace bridge" it led to a shootout that left several people dead and more injured.
How good is is the successor at karaoke?
Can we have their nukes now?
for now. His death leaves an impoverished nation in the hands of an equally delusional 20 something, with an ill intentioned cadre of military leaders vying for control.
Is it any wonder his oldest son Kim Jong-Nam tried to escape from NK to Tokyo Disney with a dominican passport?
Pressures of possibly taking over your father's dictatorial regime overwhelming you? Throw on some mickey ears and go wild...
These sorts of stories only seem to hit the news when I go to bed early for once.
My only question is this - why does his son look perpetually unamused? My guess is that someone told him that the DVD of the director's cut of "Logan's Run" was scratched or something along those lines.
same as the old boss
I'm so ronery
Is he the punter for UMass?
My thoughts are with the men and women on the DMZ, stay alert!
The Idiot is dead. Long live the Idiot.
ronry.....oh so ronry!!!
This is the English version of the North Korean Central News Agency... most certainly the most bizarre thing to read right now.
Kim Jong Il was, indeed, a peerlessly great man who breathed his last like a hero, totally dedicated to the people, making endless forced marches for field guidance for their happier life with iron will and superhuman energy.
(well duh) and the mood isn't very different. It's all over the news, but it wasn't the kind of thing to stop traffic or people from going about their day. It's not like when they shelled that island last spring, that had people staring at TV's everywhere, even people walking down the street would stop and watch TV's in store or restaurants that day. Today it's more laidback, no sirens or anything.
The big issue is who will now coach the DPRK's women's soccer team via invisible cell phone?? Who??