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Kid Rock sucks.
And there's no better way to start a letter than telling someone to "go fuck yourself."
Forgive me if I refuse to take a morality lesson from Bob Ritchie.
I think neither person in this arguement is one to take morality lessons. Kid Rock happens to do a lot of charitable things here in Michigan, but one to get your morality lessons from he is not. On the other hand I have yet to read a column from Susan Tompor that does anything but stir the pot to get her more readers, she will say anything for a buck.
No winner here just entertainment.
His music may blow, but it is hard to deny his hard work for the community of Detroit. It is unfortunate some dweeb at the Freep decided to write a hit piece on the Kid.
with his music? /s
I actually like most of it. His concerts are second to none and puts on a great show. You get your money's worth.
Gee: I can't imagine a paragon of ethical and accurate journalism like the Freep intentionally falsifying "facts" or excluding important information from any of their fine pieces.
The bottom line: the Freep will be out of business soon, and they are whoring clicks to stay afloat. It's one thing to piss off Wolverine fans, but another altogether to piss off Kid Rock fans. Whether or not you like his music, a lot of people do. Also, many Detroit loyalists might look at the piece as "shitting where you sleep."
I can't say that I would disagree with them.
I've never like his music, in fact I greatly dislike much of it. But I respect and like him for repping the city of Detroit and the state of Michigan at every chance he gets.
Great input! Did you even bother reading up on the issue at hand before spouting off? This has nothing to do with Kid Rock's music( I'm not a fan of it, either), and he's certainly not giving anyone a lesson in morality. He's one of the most outspoken advocates for Detroit and Michigan in general; he does a lot of good things around here, and all he's doing is responding to a hack job by the Freep. I'd like to cordially invite you, Magnus, to go fuck yourself.
Usually not a good way to start a defensive conversation, sounds pretty offensive though.. By the way, never heard of made in detroit, and can guarantee thats for good reason.
The most non-talented singing hack I've ever heard. I can't believe Bob Seger lowers himself to this guys standards by associating with him.
Seger has golden pipes for sure. Have you ever heard Dana Carvey's parody "Workin' on a Bowel Move"? Maybe a little risky of me to mess with a man's deeply felt musical preferences, though.
I believe Seger's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, let me know when Kid Rock gets inducted, please, LMAO.
If you don't think he'll eventually make it you're crazy. Kid Rock's not eligible yet because his first album was only 22 years ago. And if you think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is really a good legitimate final word on who's good and who isn't, you're even crazier.
If you think Kid Rock will make the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you're delusional. Please refrain from posting, as you have no common sense.
I would bet you on whatever terms you like that he will.
How about a pair of season tickets to UM football?
You're on, if both of us are still posting around here in 2016 when he's eligible. And I'm not saying he'll be inducted right away, but he will make it.
Isn't this bet impossible for you to lose? Like, literally? If he doesn't get in for years, his eligibility will never expire*, so you'll never be proven wrong.
*Correct me if I'm mistaken (if there's a weirdo out there who actually pays attention what the eligibility rules are for that sham)
Isn't this bet impossible for you to lose?
Well, I'm not stupid. That's the best kind of bet, isn't it?
That said, I'm of course willing to put a time limit of some kind on it. Even so, it's a bet that would take years upon years to bear fruit either way.
He's eligiblein 2015. i could name 50 artists right now that aren't in that are better than Robert Ritchie, if not more.
When the 2015 voting happens, he won't be, because his first record was released in December. He can't be in the 2015 class.
Dude, I just looked at the list, he's eligible in 2015, why would I lie about it?
Fine, 2015. Just gives you less time to come up with the money for season tix.
You got 5 years, if he's not in by 2020, I want my tix, carry on.
Five? Nuts. Even Michael Jackson had to wait three years. Billy Joel and Aerosmith had to wait two. Bob Seger had to wait 12. By your standards I should get a lot more than 12, but I want at least Bob Seger's time.
Wait a minute, MGoSoftball says he'd get in today if he was eligible,why do you need 12 years?
increases the statistical chances, this is a sucker's bet. I remember in my Stats 101 class the Prof made us all write down our birth month and day (not year). There were 40 in the class, he bet us that there would be a match.
We all said no way. He bet us one free class period for us and we would have to to 5 extra credit questions per week. Everyone took the bet. We lost...twice.
You see statistics are a stuborn thing. Out of 23 random people, there is a 50% chance that 2 of them have the same month and day. If you add more people, it just increases the odds.
So 5 years is a sucker's bet because if he doesnt make it in 2016 for some strange reason, he will withing 5 years. You may not like his music, you may not like him as a person but done ever take a sucker's bet.
Because you said Seger "lowers his standards" by associating with him. If you think Kid Rock is a joke compared to Seger, he ought to get more time by your definition. When you think about it, I'm being generous by only asking for as much time as Seger got, so as to put him on Seger's level, which you think he isn't.
I'm not a Kid Rock fan because I don'tknow what genra his music falls under and he hurts my ears when he sings. I know he steals riffs fromLynyrd Skynyrd and Warren Zevon, but will someone please explain to me what this hack has done in his music career?
require a label or category? Why not just enjoy the music because its music?
i believe the Rock and Roll hall of Fame requires a category, no??
See below about mixing of genres. Nobody else does it that effectively. "Stealing riffs" has been pretty common for years. Do cover versions of songs also make one a hack?
And you haven't told me what he's done in his career? Seger won Grammy awards and had to wait 12 years, whatt'll put Ritchie in?
His list of awards and noms are on his Wikipedia page, I don't feel like listing them. (It's pretty long.) He's got more Grammy noms than Van Halen or the Sex Pistols (among others) so that's not a very good barometer at all.
He's got one, count it one,number 1 hit, and he stole the riff(s) from Skynyrd and Zevon? That is worthy of Hall of Fame? You guys don't get it. And howmany Grammys has he won?
Oh, I bet you can't find any members of the RRHOF who don't have a Grammy or a #1 hit. (By whatever definition of #1.) I mean, really? You think that everyone in the HOF has just piles of Grammys and #1 hits out the wazoo? "Oh, he only had one." You're really, really reaching. Tell me, for example, how many worldwide or US #1 hits The Clash had?
(hint - zero. it's zero. they had one in the UK. just one measly one. This is not to trash The Clash, it's to point out how stupid your standards have become.)
You don't get it. There's no sense debating this. Kid Rock is just fantastic. Best performer in this century. Will be voted to the Hall of Fame first time. He's got massive amount of hit albums and records. known all around the world for his music. tell me one thing, what does he do to deserve the HOF, name me one thing.
I already told you. He is the only artist out there who can mix rock, hip-hop, and country into one show, one album, and one song, and do it very, very successfully. The rest has been nitpicking over the definition of successful, which by your standards he isn't and by every other reasonable standard in the world, he is. You come up with these things that he hasn't done that you think should keep him out of the Hall of Fame, which are all bullshit because they haven't kept a whole bunch of other artists out of the Hall of Fame. There's a long list of RRHOFers that he's already more famous and more successful than.
You can tell me your definition of a HOF artist and a HOF resume. And when you do, I'm sure there'll be a ton of HOF inductees that don't fit it. But we're not debating your standards, we're debating theirs. Which are pretty capricious. But I'm going on record right now as saying Kid Rock will be in. No question about it. I only wish I could see your face when they announce it.
1) KR represents very well
2) His music is good but some dont like it
3) He will be in the RR HOF by 2020.
4) Someone will be owing 2 sets of MFB Season Tix
go ahead and agree to disagree for the two of you. The bet has been made. I propose 2025 as a compromise date on induction or non-induction. We will all wait until then with baited breath!
I'm a new user, so maybe this has already happened, but I have always wondered what would happen to a message's window if people replied enough times to reach the right border. This particular chain is getting close, and it resembles columns in a newspaper, minus the justification alignment.
I'll make it a little closer by agreeing on a 2025 deadline, and just to see if I can break the website: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious antidisestablishmentarianism.
You can barely squeeze across three words at this point. Time to put away our extensive vocabularies.
go to futurerocklegends.com, and you have the year everyone is eligible.
Eligible in 2015 for the ceremony in 2016.
KR could get in today if he was eligible. You need to understand how the voting works.
Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.
So KR first major label release was 1998 with Devil. His first album was Grits Sandwiches in 1990 under Jive Records but was dropped. KR's own, Top Dog Records, pick it up. TOP DOG = POT GOD a reference from one of his hits "I am the Bull God". It is also a shout out to Romeo Mi where the High School mascot is the Bulldogs.
So if the RRHOF counts 1998 Devil as the first major release, then Kid is not eligible until 2024. There is a lot of time to win more awards in 12 years. He may not be a first ballot but he will get in. He is very popular with industry executives for his easy going nature and his understand of business. KR is a true professional.
he's eligible in 2015. Don't let your judgement cloud your vision because you know the dude, theres no way in hell hell makes it.
artist that has charted on 3 different categories on Billboard? The guy is a legend. He defined metal rap. His live shows will get him in alone.
Anybody can chart nowdays, it's a joke. Shows do't put you in the R and R Hall of Fame.
can let anyone in. Beastie Boys, Michael Jackson, and Prince do not fall into the classic definition of Rock and Roll. KR has done as much to perpetuate R/R as anyone recently in Detroit.
You still haven't told me what Robert Ritchie has done to get in the R and R Hall of Fame. There's still acts out there such as Tom Petty, SRV, Jethro Tull, the Gues Who, the Moody Blues, etc, who were a hundred times more talented than Kid Rock who aren't in. And if KR gets in before any of them, it's a travesty.
If anyone can do it, you should be able to name at least 20 artists who have charted on 3 different categories. Go.
Temptations, Elvis, Supremes, Johnny Cash, Jackson 5, Dolly Parton, Glen Campbell, Kenny Rodgers, Clapton, Al Green, Four Tops, Carl Perkins, Dianna Ross, Porter Wagoner, Wayne Newton, Queen, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Linda Rondstat, Johnny Rivers. Those are just off the top of my head. And if you think Kid Rock holds a candle toany of them you're delusional.
Which three genres did, for example, Queen or Carl Perkins chart on? You realize he's talking about genres, not just charting on US and Canadian country. If you go by the standards you're going by, Kid Rock has at least four.
Carl Perkins charted in country, rock-a-billy, rock and roll,and more. Queen was rock and roll, prog rock, and even opera. Please don't tell me Robert Ritchie was better than anyone mentioned because if you thinkhe was, you know nothing about music.
It doesn't really help your point when you start comparing Kid Rock to Elvis, The Supremes, The Temptations, and Queen. I love that you can't see how dumb it sounds to name a handful of amazing artists who did the same thing as Kid Rock and then say "see, he sucks."
So youre saying because he did the same thing as the Supremes, Temeptations, Elvis,etc, he should be in the R and R hall of Fame, nice logic.
No, I was saying "name a bunch of artists who have done what kid rock has done" and you named the most talented musicians in the history of rock and roll to compare him to. Although you probably still won't see the irony in saying he sucks and comparing him Elvis all in the same breath.
There's no such thing as a rockabilly chart or an opera chart. Making rockabilly music and charting with it is not the same thing as charting on three different chart genres. Please don't insult my intelligence and make shit up at the same time.
Ok, then list the 4 categories he's charted in. And there is a rock a billy category, shows how much yo uknow.
I'll go one better, I'll give you 12:
Hard Rock Albums
I didn't bother listing the European, Japanese charts, etc. Go find me the Billboard Rockabilly chart.
You're shitting me right. How many of these categories weren't around when all the ones I mentioned were around. Jesus, anybody can make up categories, get a clue. Rock songs, Rock albums, Pop songs, Radio songs, Alternative songs, Alternative albums, Hard Rock albums and Hot 100 were not around. You're makin this up right, holy shit, I've never heard of this, oh my God this is funny. Radio songs? This is hilarious, now I know you'remaking this up, nice try though.
Billboard.com. They're all Billboard categories. It's right fucking here:
You're the dumbass trying to tell me there's a rockabilly chart and you're accusing me of making shit up. How rich is that?? You're the dumbass trying to tell me that the Hot 100 wasn't around for Carl Perkins - hey, guess what, it started in 1958. You might as well quit while you're behind.
Wayne Newton and Ritchie Valenz, seriously? You're making the case against your point with more than a few of those listed.
We get that you hate Kid Rock, but why? Did he do something to you? Steal your girlfriend or something? While he might not be your cup of tea you cannot deny that he has musical talent. The guy can play every instrument on stage and most if not all of the ones on his albums.
Not knowing what Carl Perkins did tells me you know nothing about music,case closed.
Lots of acts have charted different categories, please don't tell me this is your basis for KR getting into the R and R Hall of Fame because it's weak.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but if you personally consider Bob Seger the ultimate musical authority, then shouldn't you take him at his word when he praises Kid Rock?
Seger is probably the musical authority in Michigan, but who's he to praise about Michigan music now days, Eminem, Uncle Kracker. Kid Rock wins by default.
Don't forget that dude on Glee.
Oh, Madonna , too.
Eminem is the best lyricist of the musical generation, over any genre.
Detroit/Michigan can compare its resume with just about anywhere.
Say what you will about Kid Rock's methods but he's a tireless defender of the city and for that, I'm a fan. There's certainly nothing false or phony about him. And yes, I do like his music, too.
He is like an authentic Nickelback
NEVER laid down for anyone. His language is colorful but his message is spot-on. He has always stuck to his principles. Even when he was married to Pam Anderson he would not "Go Hollywood" and remaind true.
I knew him way back in the day and he has "kept it real" his entire life.
There are a lot of "real" things that aren't admirable.
Seeing that all beings are flawed, I don't think it wise to castigate someone for their personal foibles. Kid Rock's behavior has not hurt anyone that I know of and he has made efforts to help others. At the end of the day that puts him in the "good guy" category in my book even with the excessive drinking, womanizing, and drug use. What bad acts he committs he does to himself. He will suffer the consequences in time for that bahavior. Hopefully for him it won't be fatal.
Good luck with that.
I hate everyone, so you'll have a tough time skewering people I like.
P.S. He used to be a drug dealer, so he didn't just hurt himself.
while techically is illegal, I would not call a "Drug Dealer".
A person who sells drugs is a dealer of drugs or a "drug dealer." And even if you disagree about that (although there's no real reason to do so), you've admitted that he sold drugs. I don't like him. He's a tool, he writes and performs shitty music, and he used to sell drugs. The fact that he represents Detroit, or at least pretends to, is a disgrace to the city.
It's pretty sad that when we're looking for champions of the city of Detroit, Kid Rock's efforts are praised so heavily.
Pardon me while I look for some better Detroit role models.
so he sold a little weed when he was a kid.... so what? You must be perfect. He's done more for this area than pretty much anyone. He constantly gives back to the community and is always "repping" Michigan. Unless you're doing more to help Detroit, you should just keep your garbage opinions to yourself
remainded loyal to Detroit his entire life. He would perform concerts and dontate the proceeds to charity. No one can claim they love Detroit MORE than KR. He IS Detroit.
It's hard to "be Detroit" when you didn't grow up there and you don't live there.
I suppose Denard Robinson "is East Lansing" because he lives about an hour away from there.
According to Sparty logic, it's hard to be a Michigan fan when you didn't go there, but some of us are anyway. It's not like it's his fault his parents lived in Romeo when he was born. Similar to how you don't have to have actually attended U-M to be a fan, I don't see why he should have to maintain a dwelling within the city limits to "be Detroit."
You can be a fan of Detroit without living there, but to "be Detroit", I'm sorry, but you ought to have the balls to live there.
Some people might claim to be fans of the University of Michigan who never attended, but they probably wouldn't/shouldn't claim to "be the University of Michigan."
It might be a subtle difference, but there's a distinction.
What exactly are you trying to say? The way you worded that sounds like some caller on a national sports radio show tiredly bagging on Detroit when they have never even visited. I would assume that is not your case, but that is certainly they way that comment sounds.
if I wanted to "be" Argentina, I would have to live in Argentina or at least visit Argentina. I am having none of that!
It's hard to "be Detroit" when you didn't grow up there and you don't live there.
This stupid city-vs-suburb mentality is just poisonous to the Detroit area. Most other metropolitan areas don't get as hung up on this stuff (and consequently, their suburbs and central city actually find ways to cooperate once in a while).
Kid Rock is from Metro Detroit. That counts as "Detroit" to most of the world.
tell people that I am from Detroit. I have never lived south of M-59 but I am "from Detroit" and proud of it.
I dont get why people want to put a wall up at 8 Mile Rd.
3 cheers for KR. I have no problem whatsoever with the response or the language. Well done.
Kid Rock bought a spot in Malibu forever ago dude. Not Hollywood but pretty damn close. Maybe you just meant it as he didn't up and abandon Detroit (his main residence is in Clarkston I believe), and move out to LA like so many stars of any sort do, but he's definitely got a spot out in Cali and spends a decent amount of time out there. Where do you think he first crossed paths with her? Clarkston?
Can't blame the dude. Are you in Southeast MI right now? Look outside.
My handle is no bullshit, and it is currently 67 and partially cloudy today my friend. Clearwater, FL, man. I don't blame him either, I was just responding to above poster that he may not have went "Hollywood" per se, but he did to some degree or he would have probably never met Pam.
at an Award Show not at the Hollywood Kroger. I own a cabin in Northern Michigan, does that make me "Not From Detroit" because I own a home in a "white" part of the state. Your argument is flawed.
If you click on the link in the OP, you can read the entire letter (which is much longer than what was quoted above). If you can get past the salty language, he raises some legitimate points.
I don't know who Susan Tompor is nor do I know why Kid Rock responded to so. But Kid Rock's line to cordially invite her to go fuck herself is classic. I'd like to extend the same expression to Marky D.
If you don't like KId Rock, I;'d like to cordially invite you to go fuck yourself.(hehe)
Seriously, what does his talent or lack thereof, have to do with anything?
I know the people involved in the original MID company, and well remember the problems they encountered. The company and its owners were very active in supporting Detroit's music scene. It was eventually very tough going for them, and the company went under. Ritchie's involvement revived it, and it does indeed employ people.
During the 90s Ritchie did some session work for one of my partners, and one of his bandmates does session work for me. I'm well aware of the good he's done Detroit's music and non-music communities. Evidently he's a very good guy to work with.
You may or may not like his taste, but Ritchie is quite skilled as a musician (and rarely shows this off). I know of session work he did before he became famous, and he was damned good.
You may not like his means of expressing himself - I don't either in this case - but I'd be very surprised if any of the critics in this thread have done a hundredth as much for Detroit's community and for charity as Bob Ritchie.
I knew Bob when he was a senior at Romeo and he was doing local gigs. People need to realize that Bob was born to wealthy parents but he did everything on his own. His dad despised him for an accident and blamed Bob.
Bob went out and made his own way without any help. He used to sleep in musty basements when he could have lived in a 5000 sq ft home with a maid. His love for the local music scene: New Haven, Mt Clemons, Romeo and later Royal Oak was undeniable.
He has done more for Detroit than any politician.
"People need to realize that Bob was born to wealthy parents but he did everything on his own."
Neat. A wealthy kid went out on his own, sold drugs, got in trouble with the law, and wrote crappy music. What a hero!
to slang rocks
Ritchie eventually ran away to Mt Clemens at 15 and stayed with his friend Chris Pouncy. He was forced to sell drugs out of car wash he worked at by a local drug gang known as the "Best Friends". A man in the neighborhood angered by the going ons organized a rap group to keep the neighnorhood kids out of trouble.It was composed of The Blackman (founder of the group), Champtown, KDC, Chris "Doc Roun-Cee" Pouncy and Bob. They were known as "The Beast Crew".Rock befriended producer D-Nice of the legendary hip-hop group Boogie Down Productions. When Rock opened for BDP one night, D-Nice invited an A&R representative from Jive Records to see him perform. This meeting led to a demo deal, which developed into a full record contract.
"I ran away from home and some guys forced me to sell drugs" isn't an excuse that will stand up in court.
Anyway, I've spent enough time today arguing about Kid Rock, so I'm going to excuse myself from this discussion and go eat lunch.
In the court of law, no. But we're in the court of public opinion.
My HS was in the EML along with The Clem. East Detroit, Roseville, GP North/GP South, Port Huron, Port Huron Northern, Anchor Bay and L'ance Cruise and LC North.
GPS won the EML for a few years straight. Good memories.
GPS won the EML for a few years straight. Good memories.
In what sport? Can't be football..... can it? Admittedly I know nothing of pre-MAC days.
Check them out. GPS was good, kinda like a Cass Tech of today. Many players went on to D1 FB. I dont think GPN was ever any good. I dont know why that is though.
Eastern Michigan League. All Class A schools. Tough schedule. We lost to GPS in the last game of the season my senior year. We missed the playoffs by 1 or 2 teams. It was only 32 teams times 4 divisions.
According to wikipedia, North is 13-4 against South since 1995. Per this 2011 season preview, prior to 2010, North was in the playoffs six consecutive years. From MaxPreps, it looks like if they won the first playoff game, they lost the next.
Historically, on this michigan-football.com chart, North is 59th, South 124th.
My guess is that Softball is talking pre '95 years. I started at South in '96 and I can certainly confirm that when it comes to football, we've been Little Brother since at least then. Only lately has there been anything like a turning of the tide.
I dont remember anything past 1990. Call it space-time continuum
Okay, so the Freep gets out a single, poorly researched article. Since they normally do such upstanding, quality work, I think we can give them a break... y'know?
(Do I really need to add the /s tag?)
I do like the part where Tampor complains that some of those shirts are made in OHIO, fergodsakes. I mean, that's the final straw.
Really turned the tide on the Kid Rock argument.
Anyone know if Kid Rock is a Michigan or a State fan? Or no affiliation?
my guess is that if he had to pick a school, it would be CMU. The Chips radio station played his music in the mid-1990s and gave him street cred.
I have never seen him with any UM or moo u gear. He is a basketball fan and is at the Pistons game frequently. He lives a few miles from the Palace so its easy in and easy out. He recently become a fan of the Tigers and has been seen at a few games.
Him and Cheli are real tight and hang out a lot. They even tailgated with some buddies of mine here in Chicago at a Bears-Lions game. They said they couldn't have been any nicer or more down to earth guys to hang and party with.
Always sticking up for his hometown. I saw him at Woodstock '99 and have been a fan ever since.
I love his loyalty to Michigan and Detroit. Regardless of whether or not you like his music, you've got to respect the guy for his loyatly to Michigan and the many great things he does in trying to help out the state.
In which a musician produces better prose than most journalists.
My only contact with Detroit was as a UM student in the seventies. It's a great city, with great people, that's been hammered by history and politics. Anybody doing anything to get some money into the local economy and to get people's heads up is fine in my book. (Also, I like a couple of the songs.)
I hope I'd have the brains to say the same thing about an MSU or tOSU fan helping out. If you take KR at his word (I do) this about jobs and people.
I'm from Iowa, and I'm hoping Steven Bloom gets a job at the Freep.
"I'm from Iowa, and I'm hoping Steven Bloom gets a job at the Freep."
In Iowa also. Nicely put regarding Bloom!
I saw Kid Rock in concert in Nashville last year. Free tickets as my friend works for the Predators and he played in their arena
Always appreciated his music but wasn't a big fan. Until after the concert.
He was outstanding.
Any musician that can successfully mix rap, metal, and country is deserving of respect
Any musician that can successfully mix rap, metal, and country is deserving of respect
Agreed, and that's exactly why I'm willing to take the above bet that he'll make the RRHOF. From a music-appreciation standpoint you have to tip your hat; he's a little bit Southern rock, a little bit country, a little bit hip-hop, a little bit metal, and he brings them all together in one show, sometimes in one song, and it really works.
Agreed, and if you have ever seen him live he plays every instrument on the stage at some point during the show. He has 6 straight platinum albums that range incredibly from the first to last album. I don't think anyone will deny that he is a very musically inclined person and he will make the RRHOF. Always liked what he has done for Detroit too, good guy to the community.
This thread is littered with dumb, but carry on, you are making awesome points.
"Redundant" means unnecessary, not duplicate, as I had thought, and if necessary is the bar for posting, we have high standards indeed. From now I will consider whether my comments are necessary.
Solid. Enough of the high hat.
Double post. It's all good though.
Fuck the freep and anybody who gets offended by someone swearing.
Fuck Rosenberg. Here's a link to Rosie's book on Amazon. It seems most people thought his book sucked.
they're not made in Detroit? That was the gist of the article when I read it this week. If that's true, how is this such a hatchet job? I dislike the Freep, really dislike Rosenberg and Sharp, but there were no lies or misinformation in her article. In fact she talked about other "Detroit" themed brands as well to compare and contrast with the Made in Detroit brand.
The article touches a point that people should really consider which is that fact that we have lost a lot of manufacturing jobs overseas where it's cheaper to produce these items. And it will take some sacrifice for these local companies to start producing the shirts here again.