OT: Kevin Love out for entire playoffs
Breaking news out of Cleveland. The Cavs Kevin Love will miss the entire playoffs due to the accidental amputation of his arm little oopsie inflicted when Boston's Kelly Olynick went Ricky Mahorn and decided their best chance of winning was to channel the 1988 Pistons team.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/04/kevin_love_expected_to_…
This really, really sucks. OIC.....OIC.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
I feel bad for Kevin Love.
I don't feel bad for Cleveland.
April 28th, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
April 28th, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^
they still have Lebron? If so, they are still coming out of the East. This damages their title chances badly though.
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Also, I'm really surprised JR Smith only got 2 games for knocking out Crowder.
I honestly believe the league waiting to get the medical report on Love before handing down Smith's suspension. Once they heard last night how bad it was and that he was likely done for the entire playoffs they gave Smith a relatively light punishment.
You'll notice the announcement on Love being out for the first round only preceeded the Smith announcement by about an hour or less. I dont think the NBA wanted to in essence hand the Bulls the second round.
Provided they get past the might Milwaukee Bucks that is.....
And thanks on the OT heads up - I fixed it. Pretty damn upset right now.....
Please do clarify knocking someone out for me. I barely watch the NBA, but I did watch that game and that play. He didn't "knock him out." Unless of course you're talking about the fact that as Crowder fell down he hurt his leg, which took him out of the game. I think 2 games was fine, and I thought 1 game was actually what they would give him.
Love grabbed Olynyk's arm first on that play.
So you're saying that Olynk's such an amazing physical beast he was not only able to get free of Love but also place him in an arm bar which allowed him to pull down and twist on his shoulder all on the same play? I had NO idea he was that talented.
I look forward to seeing those pictures exonerating poor, innocent Kelly and putting the blame on Love where it belongs!
Good to know Danny Ainge frequents this site.
I don't think anyone rationally believes that Olynk was trying to pull Love's arm out of his socket.
But at the same time, I don't think it matters in this case. What Olynk did was not only a clear foul, but a suspendable offense. It is clearly, without a doubt, against the rules. And for good reason, because doing what Olynk did can clearly cause a major injury.
The only reason to care about Olynk's intent is if you want to use this to call him a bad person or whatever term you want to use there. Do I think, based on this play, that Olynk is a dirty player? No, the injury wasn't intentional as you said. I also think it's foolish to judge whether a player is dirty based on a single play as well.
Do I think Olynk is stupid? Do I think that was a bone-headed play? Do I think by pulling Love's arm out if its socket he has opened himself to all the criticism he's getting, most of it deservedly so? Yes, completely.
By this point, Olynk should know that a move like that is dangerous and shouldn't be pulled (no pun intended [take notes Reggie Miller]). Ripping on someone's arm like that is incredibly dangerous. And know that he's injured such a high profile player he's under the microscope for it.
Does it suck for him, especially considering if Love hadn't gotten hurt or it was someone like Brandon Heywood instead no one would care? Yes. Do I feel bad for him? No. He pulled a stupid, dangerous move, and now he has to deal with the consequences, both from the NBA and in the court of public opinion.
This is a freeze frame of Love grabbing Olynck's arm, literally as Olynck is fouling Love via quasi-bear-hug. On no level of basketball would Olynck's movement in your posted frame be deemed legal boxing out.
Pause at 0:40
Love grabbed his arm and pulled first.
Not even remotely close to accurate. At the :40 mark Olynyk has his arm across Love's chest and Love has his arm down across it - pinning it down. But he in NO way is pulling on it in any manner whatsoever. He's pinning it down with his forearm.
Look, I know as a Celtics fan it probably isnt something you're going to ever acknowledge or even admit he was at fault for. Hell, you probably think Thomas grabbing Lebron from out of bounds was clever. But the reality is your scumbag, useless, coward, loser hippy-fuck Canadian player who couldnt even make our roster, much less start, went out of his way to hurt Kevin Love, was successfull and EVERYBODY saw it.
Oooooof I love ya mGrow but you might need to ease off the throttle a bit.
You're right. I crossed the line when I called their scumbag, useless, coward, loser hippy-fuck who couldnt even make our roster, much less start, a Canadian, and I'm sorry.
That was mean of me.
That said he'd likely get minutes over Kendrick Perkins.
Love is clearly grabbing and pulling his arm. You're delusional.
I don't get what your argument is here.
If you want to be that particular about it, then you could argue that Love grabbed Olynk's arm first. But instead of looking at a single screenshot, because that tells absolutely nothing, look at the entire play.
In the video you posted, look at the start of it. Love and Olynk are not touching, there is almost a person's worth of space between them.
Olynk then runs into Love, trying to push him, and inserts his (Olynk's) arms between Love's arm and body. Starting here, this is a foul on Olynk, as Love has him legally boxed out and Olynk is trying to barrell through Love to the ball.
Because of Olynk trying to run through Love, Love eventually does grab Olynk's arm first. But this is only because Olynk put his arms into Kevin Love's body, and then tried to push him over and then pull away. So essentially because Olynk fouled Love, Love grabbed Olynk's arm.
Also, Love did not so much pull Olynk's arm as much as he held it. And that may sound small, but that's a big difference. Holding Olynk's arm, while a foul, is not nearly as dangerous as what Olynk did to Love. Then Olynk yanks on Love's arm pulling it out of the socket.
So Olynk committed the first foul which lead to Love grab Olynk's arm, and then ripped Love's arm out of its socket. Olynk is definitely at fault here.
It's delusional to say otherwise. The only way in which you can be right is if you're saying because Love touched Olynk's arm first that means Love started it and Olynk did nothing wrong. Using that logic, you are correct, but also 5 years old.
And clearly the NBA agreed with everyone but you, seeing as they suspended Olynk but not Love.
I don't get what your argument is here.
I do. His argument is that, because Love touched Olynyk while attempting to free himself from the five-second-long foul Olynyk was committing, everything that happened after is Love's fault.
And I'm a Celtics fan. Intentionally injuring those more talented than you is no way to build a career, just ask William Gholston.
Matt Cooke's still got a $2.5M/year job.
Sixers fan. Borderline NBA fan, as should be expected considering the previous sentence.
This injury was pure filth -- a complete bush league move when the Olynck was getting beat for a long rebound. My vote would be to suspend Olynck for at least 5 regular season games without pay, and if he's on another future team that makes the playoffs, he should have to sit out for at least one entire series.
Ohio shouldn't have nice things, but they deserve better than this nonsense.
I agree. Their was clear intent to injure an opponent. You don't do that move unless you're trying to dislocate his shoulder or fling him to the ground. Either way it's worthy of a suspension. Probably two games because thats all JR got.
He was a great guy and engaged with the kids that day. Took them trick or treating through the Mall of America on Holloween.
That was a flagrant intent to injure.
Wish him a speedy recovery.
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He's probably bored with playoff basketball, given his extensive experience with same and all of the title teams he's been part of.
Love pulled his arm first.
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I think the most important question here is "What did the five fingers say to the face?!"
I can't believe Kevin Love got taken out of the playoffs by Jay from Clerks.
That's Jay from MallRats, no?
I think you're right. Sorry, the mid 90's are a little fuzzy for me.
It's Jay from Clerks, Clerks 2, Mallrats, Dogma, Chasing Amy, and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
Helps remind me that aside from OSU football, the whole state of Ohio has absolutely nothing to its name.
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This was my point a little higher up on the comments. The refs either needed to control it from the beginning or basically let it all go. Which is the biggest reason I thought JR would only get one game. I don't agree with hitting another player, but Crowder sold it for much more than it was and in turned actually injured his own leg. But this was after Crowder was pushing JR heavily in the back. And this was after Perkins unnecessary foul on Crowder, and Mosgov's unnecessary pushing, and Olynyk's unnecessary couple of plays. The point is that the whole series has been extremely physical and they should have decided if they were letting it all slide or if they were going to put an end to it.
You can't suspend Olynyk for only a game or so next season when the magnitude of the games are much less. But you also can't allow Perkins to stay in the game after his unnecessary foul to Crowder in the first minute that he entered the game. And this is the same reason that you can't then suspend JR Smith for more than a single game in a different series. It just doesn't all add up.
As, uh, physical as the Bad Boys were, I don't remember them doing anything quite like this. Laimbeer and Mahorn were more about doing little stuff all game that the refs couldn't see, until they successfully provoked the guy they were guarding into fighting back and getting a technical.
Some sympathize with Lebron's CAVs. Yet, one CAV should have been thrown out of this game for punching a Celtic. Another--who had a long history of simlar incidents-- just got yet another two game suspension for punching a Celtic--which led to a significant injury that took him out of the game.
Olynyk too deserved the suspension he got. But some here compare him to some of the dirtiest players in NBA history. That is wrong. This mild mannered canadian who majored in accounting at Gonzaga had no history of dirty play, as some of the CAVs did.
That does not excuse his behavior in this game. But Love during the entire series had also been locking up Olynyk's arms, also extending his arms (as pictured). That was not just to block Olynyk but to strike him and push him back. Was Love playing MSU-style BB and crossing the line between physical and foul? Was it not being called by the refs for most of the series? If so, did Olynyk feel he needed to hold the arm that Love had just used to lock him up?
That would not excuse Olynyk by any means. I myself wonder if he was pissed and got reckless. But seriously, who thinks that Olynyk had a plan to dislocate Love's arm? Who believes that he had any inkling of the precise way to cause an acute anterior inferior glenohumeral dislocation? Please. Even if he had trained in chiropractic, rather than accounting, what was to be gained by injuring Love? The Celtics knew from the start they would lose this series. They were just happy to make the playoffs. They had no championship aspirations. It was not like the time that another Lebron teammate-- Dwayne Wade--held onto Rajon Rondo's elbow and forcibly hurtled backward, causing Rondo's bone to actually burst through the skin.. Then, the Celtics--who had been keeping Lebron's teams out of title games-- lost the following two games. Wade and his teammate Lebron went on to win a championship.
So, while I do condemn Olynyk, Lebron's Cavs have hardly earned the right to throw stones. You know what they say about people in glass houses..
they got it. As bluesalt says, shut it down with Perk. Thompson and Sullinger were at war inside.
Yeah a bad play by KO but not the murderous rampaging chanelling Artest fury some are desperate to paint it as. Two big guys wrestling for the ball, one starts to lose and yanks on whatever is in his way. Bad play, dumb play, not trying to separate a shoulder but cheating to get the ball.
He gets a game...tough to give him more after JR's foul only gets him two. He should have got five, KO 4 next season. Or better, suspend KO the first 2 or 3 or next year's playoffs, when the C's will probably be better and he will be even more important to the team and Love and deRozan are Faking it with Kobe.
A basketball play. He may not have tried to hurt him, but he did try to pull his arm down which resulted in an injury.
He knew god damn well what he fucking did, otherwise he wouldn't have held his arms up immediately after he did it.
Stevens also understood what he did, which is why he didn't play him at all until late in the 4th.
LeBron will be able to play the 4 and guard Noah because Noah has zero offensive game, guarding Butler and Rose is where we will have problems. The only way Cleveland gets past Chicago is with herculean efforts from LeBron/Irving, and Marion/Jones/Miller pulling together and forming something that resembles a professional basketball player.
Tristan is just not a starter, he's such a great rebounder because he comes off the bench fresh and energized. As a starter his defender can ignore him completely and clog the lane. It's something that Kevin Love did that does not show up on the stat sheet and was completely under appreciated.
I just find it amazing that, in the context of a very phyisical series and a very physical matchup, people think what KO knew was that an arm pulled at this angle with this force will dislocate that shoulder and shelve Love for the rest of the playoffs.
He's trying to get the ball, Love gets position on him, he cheats with a bad play, Love gets injured. Tough, but that's the extent of it.
I understand Cavs fans being more than irate. However you'll beat the Bulls regardless and be in the finals, where GS or SA will put thee to the sword. Enjoy the run.