fair point that
OT: Kevin Love to Cavs
Cleveland will find a way to screw the pooch on this one.
Not difficult. They probably won't win this year. They'll struggle to sign Love next summer with cap space tied up in James, Irving and Thompson.
Fast forward to 2016, when we're looking at a depleted Cavs, after one trip to the Finals where they lost in 5 and one 2nd round exit. Waiters has left to get paid, Love is in LA, Irving's knees are failing him, and there's no cap space because they overpaid Thompson (has James' agent) to reward James. James is 32 and declining and Wiggins is playing at Paul George' 1st half of the 2013-14 season-level.
Yes, there's plenty of room for the Cavs to mess this up. I hope they don't. Cleveland deserves a championship.
said that Love has already agreed to opt out next summer and re-sign for the max. So they'll likely have him for the next six years. Also, I really doubt Wiggins reaches Paul George level within the next two years. We'll see, but he's got some serious work to do. On top of all that, you can't just assume they won't win this year. This Cavs roster is arguably more talented than what LeBron dragged to the FInals this past season. Love is Bosh++ and Irving's style fits LeBron's game better because he can shoot. Not to mention, they actually have a real C on the roster in Varejao, when healthy. X-Factors will be signing Ray Allen and Shawn Marion to provide veteran depth.
I certainly hope they have some sort of commitment from Love to give up two #1 overall picks for him, he's not good enough to pay that for a one year rental. My response wasn't a "this is what I think will happen" - it was a scenario where everything has gone tits up.
If you disagree that the probable outcome is that the Cavs don't win the title, I encourage you to lay a wager down next time you're in a suitable establishment.
"in anticipation of the move, Cleveland had its odds to win the 2014-15 NBA title reduced from 7-to-2 to 3-to-1 at the LVH SuperBook."
I always found looking down on a pair of nice tits a good outcome.
Varejao's missed mote than half his teams games the past three seasons. There's no way they can expect him to give them substantial minutes. Bulls, then Cavs, then Raptors, then junk. That's the east this year.
in my comment, I understand the risk there, but he actually saw the floor in 65 games last season. Played 28 minutes per game too. I'll bet he plays at least 55 games this year and they nurse him into the playoffs. As for the East, I think the Bobcats challenge for that 3 seed with the Wizards. After that, junk.
If (and it's a big IF) Rose stays healthy the Bulls are better at the point.
Cavs are better on the wing because LeBron is a beast and will play 40 playoff minutes.
Bulls still have better bigs, even with Love. Besides Love the Cavs don't have talent or depth.
How are the Cavs going to guard anyone? (besides who LBJ guards)
Should be fun...
your statement that the Cavs don't have any depth?
I'll take a core who has played together and with the same (great, driven, freaking crazy, his goal is to go 82-0) coach for years over a couple of talented guys and a 1st time NBA coach (who I really want to succeed, but I wont put him over Thibs yet)
How about a friendly wager on this one? I watched Lebron drag the lifeless corpse of Ben Wallace, Wally Szerbieeakrakrachrkkkk, Mo "I don't know defense" Williams, an injured Anderson Varejo and the nutjob with guns who may have slept with Lebron's mom Gloria Delonte West to 60 wins and #1 seed in the East.
You don't think with actual real-life players with talent he cant do better?
How about a 6 pack of Great Lakes vs. a sixer from Goose Island (I'll get you a good local one, not the 312 that they now make in New York)
Are you thinking higher regular season win total or farther in the playoffs?
Great bet Jeepin. You're on!
Either one - you choose.
How about 1 six pack each (season and playoffs) - if we split, we each pay up. We'll stimulate our local economies. Logistics to be determined in... June or so?
a major injury for the 2nd time.
As an anti-anything Ohio fan, I also say dammit.
Well, this is how we gonna do this...
F*ck Kevin Love.
F*ck the Cavs as a team, Cleveland as a city and Ohio as a state.
And if you wanna be down with the Cavs, then f*ck you too.
Dan Gilbert, f*ck you too.
~ Bulls in six
How did Love for with Gasol and Noah? you have to start all three and neither is a SF.
not the best fit IMO. I'd even take gasol over love in their system.
A 25 year old stretch 4 who has already played in 3 all star games and can shoot the 3.
Yea, he's said some douchy things, but, outside of Ilitch, he's probably doing/done more for the City of Detroit than just about anyone.
Such an absurd narrative. Illitch and Gilbert are in business for THEMSELVES. Gilbert is the chief voice behind the privatization of services in Detroit, which will lead to 40% of households having their water shutoff. He doesn't want Detroit to run itself as a city anymore - just a partner is his downtown development quest.
My four four make sure all your kids don't grow...
As a Bulls fan, I agree. However, the Bulls still have a good shot of coming out of the East. Even with Love, the Cavs can be beaten if we stay healthy. I know, a big "if," however the Bulls can do this.
Sucks for Wiggins. He's been in two of the worst places to play already and he hasn't played a single game.
Congrats to Kevin Love on experiencing his 1st minute of playoff basketball in 2015.
Smoke and fire with this one for a while. Good for the Cavs, I guess, but giving up alot it seems.
I'm actually a little worried. It's been 50 years since Cleveland has won a championship, I don't think we'll know how to handle it if it happens.
I was kinda rooting for the Indians to beat the Marlins so this would happen.
I am not sure I can root for the Cavs though. I'll just have fun rooting for the Michigan guys in the NBA.
was the worst day of my professional sports fandom. Thanks so much for bringing that up again. Want to kick my dog while you're at it?
I hate you, Jose Mesa. And I still cant forgive Hargrove for bringing on Charlie Nagy in relief. he was the king of letting up runs early in his starts before he settled into a groove. The choice to put him in as a reliever is still inexplicable.
My parents love to tell the story of 4 year old me, upon being told that Jaret Wright was starting game seven, bursting into tears.
I'm sorry, but that's funny.
No need to apologize, it's definitely funny.
I still have, Lord willing, 50 or 60 years on this planet. Thanks to 1997 and 2007, I've already given up hope that the Tribe will ever win the Series.
Good deal for Cleveland. They'll just get another #1 pick in the lottery this year anyway, so they really didn't lose much.
The new rivalry in the East. Interesting.
And with Paul George out, there is literally no one else in the East worth watching.
I think the Bulls will be very fun to watch. Rose appears healthy (fingers crossed). With Gasol, McDermott and Mirotic added and Boozer subtracted, I think they have to be co-favorites with the Cavs.
Lebron and Love are obvious superstars. Though I like Irving, he's a bit overrated to me (as a role player, he's great though). You can't be considered an elite player if you couldn't take your team to the playoffs in the East last year. That's how bad the conference was.
to sound very odd, but Charlotte and Toronto should both be very fun to watch. Hornets play incredible defense and added Lance Stephenson on top of really solid depth in the draft. Could see them maybe even challenging for the 3 seed. Same goes for Toronto and even Washington.
You're probably right but I like Washington. Wall, Beal, Ariza, NeNe and Gortat could be good enough for the 3 seed and probably the 4th.
Not a good deal for the Wolves. Wiggins looked just average his freshman year (given his hype) and didn't look very good in the Summer League, which are bad signs in my opinion. On the other hand, Love is a top ten player in the league.
But Kevin Love wasn't going to resign with Minnesota. Got something for nothing
Are you kidding me? As a Wolves fan this is better than any deal I could have imagined when it became apparent that we needed to trade Love. Usually trades involving players like Love on a contract year are super lopsided against the team giving him away. I can't remember a trade like this where a lot of the fanbase on the receiving side wishes they hadn't done the deal.
Bad move by Cleveland. If they waiting for this offseason they would have been able to keep all those assets and still sign Love or another superstar. I am now a Lebron hater ( I rooted for Miami but I refuse to root for anything ohio) so I'm glad they did it this way. Wiggins will be a top 10 player in 4 years.
I agree about Wiggins being a star. Worst case scenario, that kid is a defensive stopper who you could put on the other team's best 1-4 player instead of LeBron and allowed LeBron to use less energy and extend his career. I really feel like in 3-4 years, they're going to wish they had Wiggins.
But in 6-7 years, LeBron will be on the verge of retirement.
That's what's relevant here: maximizing the window that the best player in the league has left.
Much like Peyton Manning, LeBron is the centerpiece of the effort. The Cavs are trying to win right now.
Agreed on Cav's strategy. Wiggins is not guaranteed to be anything in the league, and I don't have the same confidence that he'll end up a star as I was when I first watched Kobe and Lebron at similar ages.