Look where it got them this year...
Look where it got them this year...
Look where it got them last year, National Champs.
a lot of vacated wins
Everyone knows who the Fab Five were even though they didnt exist.
That doesn't apply here. Everyone knows who they are because they were the first of their kind and started a cultural revolution both inside and outside the sport. No one outside Kentucky will remember Calipari's teams the way they do the Fab Five, regardless of whether they wind up vacating wins or not. Calipari, on the other hand, might be remembered for being the most successful cheater in the history of college basketball based on his continued ability to bring in these ridiculous classes year after year. There's just no reason why he would be THAT successful when there are so many good teams and coaches out there.
This is incredibly true. Even right now, the only two guys I can remember from last year's Kentucky team are Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist (and I'm not even sure that's his name).
Calipari has a loooooooooooong way to go before passing Wooden on that list. I don't think he's going to make it. Kentucky can be proud of having the second most successful cheat of all time even if it doesn't have the same ring to it.
between Calpari and say, Michigan, is that Calipari doesn't seem to be offering these kids anything but a ticket to the NBA, or at least an opportunity for one, in two years or less. He's not offering them an education, he's not offering them tradition, just the chance at a ring and a big pay day. If that's what he wants to do, more power to him. But all he'll end up with is a team of hired guns, mercenaries, who have only one thing in mind....when do I get paid?
"between Calpari and say, Michigan, is that Calipari doesn't seem to be offering these kids anything but a ticket to the NBA, or at least an opportunity for one, in two years or less."
You can't really believe that, right?
UMASS > Camby
MEMPHIS > Rose
UK > ...
With Camby it was a different time...I think the way things are going, he's an unfair comparison. With Rose, he wasn't all that long ago so definitley a more recent example of the contrary. But nowadays, it seems like there's more and more of this and Calipari is selling a bill of goods that the kids want. I'm speaking generally of the situation, but specifically addressing the behavior of Calipari. When all five freshmen on the team last year all declare...and now he's getting the recruiting class like this...it just is too much to ignore for me. I see your point with those guys though.
Kentucky's Class of 2012 - Rivals
Nerlens Noel (#1 C, #2 overall)
Alex Poythress (#2 PF, #8 overall)
Archie Goodwin (#5 SG, #14 overall)
Willie Cauley-Stein (#9 C, #40, overall)
While that is still an impressive recruiting class, its nothing compared to the class Calipari is bringing in this year:
Kentucky's Class of 2013 - Rivals
Julius Randle (#1 PF, #2 overall)
Aaron Harrison (#1 SG, #4 overall)
Andrew Harrison (#1 PG, #5 overall)
James Young (#2 SG, #10 overall)
Dakari Johnson (#1 C, #13 overall)
Marcus Lee (#5 PF, #18 overall)
On top of all that, UK is still in the running for the Andrew Wiggins (#1 SF, #1 overall), plus Poytress and Cauley-Stein have both announced that they're coming back for their sophomore season. On paper, this class has more talent than the Fab Five with or without Andrew Wiggins.
Yes, but Andrew Wiggins is a third, so I'm not even sure why they'd want him.
Hmmm......nothing going on suspicious there.
How can six recruits make up a whole entire roster for this game? Are they playing 3 on 3?
you know what i mean...
For the record, it took me a minute too. Very poorly worded title.
sorry it was supposed to be a joke,not so funny i guess.
My God. The uniforms.
Only one player in the game is going to the big ten yaaaaaahhhh. Also Indiana is awful at recruiting half of their 3/4 stars they have gotten over the last 3 years have never/barley steped on the court. Would think they would do better, Crean might be slightly overated
Those 3/4stars ruined our program!!!
Victor Oladip was a 3* to all services...just saying.
Mike Hart wasn't even ranked on the major basketball recruiting sites
stars are based on your skill at the time and nba potential but they are still high school kids who are still growing
Of course their are outliers, but if you have 10 five stars on your team chances are you will be very good and if you have 10 two stars chances are your team will be bad. I just find it odd that none of these fairly high rated prospects didn't contribute at all this year
At .75 of a star, expectations are low.
To win the national title this year.
I think it's downright disgusting that you folks seem to think there must be something underhanded going on for Kentucky to land virtually all the nations top recruits. I think it's totally normal and explainable for every kid ranked highly to end up at one school just because of things like outstanding coaching or academics.
Somehow this guy gets a pass when every school he leaves goes under sanctions as he scoots out of town.
I generally don't like threads that hype non-Michigan teams.
Your avatar says it all.
What are you wearing?
I'd be surprised if Kentucky doesn't win the title next year.
And they'll have the #1 player at every position.
get Stauskas on him. Canadian camraderie ftw.
I've got a feeling in the next 5-10 years Kentucky is going to have a lot of vacated wins. Calipari must be a hell of a recruiter, but I'll be damned if there isn't some kind of seedy shit going on with that program.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly on the up and up now. He's already got a reputation for putting a TON of kids in the first round of the draft after one year. If you're planning to be a one and done, where else would you go? If it's me, and I don't already have a strong inclination one way or another, I'm probably headed to UK.
I don't know. Andrew Wiggins could play for pretty much any Division I school in the country and still be a high lottery pick. Obviously, scouts would like to see how he matches up against the best competition possible, but that doesn't require going to Kentucky, or any traditional basketball power for that matter.
It's not required, but if you're looking to go against the best in practice every day, that's the way to do it.
I believe he runs a clean program, also. I am curious, however, to see how long Calipari can keep recruiting "one and done" players. It is quite possible he remains successful for a long time, especially with the recent NCAA rule changes removing the restrictions on player contact.
I would imagine it's pretty tough to "develop" 18-year old kids in one season, but as discussed on t his board previously, the NBA readily drafts these athletes based upon their potential... So, if I'm a high-school senior with NBA-aspirations, UK is at the top of my list, as well.
No. Not even close. If you ever get a chance to talk to someone in major college basketball, or someone connected in the AAU circuit or certain people who work for Nike in a relatively private setting ask them about Calipari.
Also, do some googling of Bret Bearup and World Wide Wes, just as a starting point.
I mean, I am sure you are right that there are probably kids who are choosing Kentucky because it is Kentucky and because of all the NBA kids they are churning out and the chance to play with other talented kids.
But no, they are not on the up and up. There will eventually be probation and there will be vacated title(s).
They have 7 commits right now.. Anyone know how many open spots they have?
It's the SEC, so your answer is...
= Money available(coaches wallet) / ammt desired(open scholarships)
They actually could be with a scholarship still available, even if Wiggins comes aboard. They are two under limit right now, have two seniors, and Noel is certainly gone. They also have a few walkons who were given one year scholarships (and knew the deal going into this year) that probably won't be renewed and a transfer that might be shown the door.
But yes, since it's not Michigan, the only way for a school to have success is if they cheated.
Also, they each will be receiving a brand new BMW, $50,000, and a trip to the Bahamas!
Did they each T-up Sean Miller in a Pac 12 game?
does it take to
fill up a whole entire McDonald's?
In Mother Russia, you don't eat the Big Mac, the Big Mac eat you.
for a school in a mid-major conference.
Why are these players taking their talent to the SEC?
Vanderbility? Ole Miss? Auburn? South Carolina? Arkansas? Texas A&M? Mississippi State? Alabama? Georgia?
One thing to keep in mind most of these players going there are looking to go straight to the NBA, Cal has proven he can produce lottery picks consistently. That's all they care about. He's surely dirty to but it's probably a easy sell for him
The problem is that he doesn't "produce" lottery picks. He recruits lottery picks and lets them use him as a stepping stone. I imagine the only thing he brings to the table is a total and open acceptance of the one and done rule, as well as a promise of plenty of playing time as a freshman so they can move on. Nothing wrong with that if that's all that's going on, but I suspect its not.
Jalen Rose just said you can get a job on Wall Street out of high school. Commence mass dropout from Ross, also I think he needs to move his money to a new account
How do SMU and UTEP land All-Americans?
I'm going to say that 2013 Kentucky is the abnormality and 2012 Kentucky will be the norm
in the very near future. Extremely few of these one-and-done kids have any interest in school, and since they've been getting smoke blown up their asses since middle school about how talented they are, a definite percentage are going to arrive in Lexington with attitudes that are all about them and little else. The Team, The Team, The Team means nothing to 18-yr olds who don't plan on being part of that team for more than a few months.
Sure cost them last season!
I fucked this post up. #bowflexin
(not the state, just their sleazy basketball program and coach) What is their graduation rate? About .03%? They must have some friends in the NCAA enforcement dept.
ya, Kentucky may be pretty good next year
It will catch up to Calipari, trouble will come, he will bail, and help coach Pete Carroll in the NFL as a recruiter
I'm not saying Kentucky is cheating (thinking it, but not saying it) my question is what is the special deal with Kentucky sending players to the NBA. Every school sends players early to the NBA. Duke had Kyrie Irving who barely played in his one year at Duke and still went number 1 overall, why don't they get a ton of 1 and dones now. Anthony Bennet at UNLV, Marcus Smart at OK.State, Andre Drummon last year at UConn.
I don't think Cal does anything great coaching-wise to help these kids move up draft boards, he just recruits top end talent. So why is it so appealing to kids, is it simply a matter of great facilities and he is the most upfront about not caring whether they want to go to school or not? Or is there something more illicit going on? I tend to lean towards the later.
Wiggins would make Kentucky a clear favorite to win it all. Must be nice to have deep pockets in the $EC.
The one-and-done rule is funny.
Player X arrives on campus.
PLayer X could play entire season while going to zero classes.
Player X is found to have attended zero classes and is made academically ineligeable.
Player X goes to NBA draft.