but that shit was funny.
OT: Kanye West
to be the worst person in entertainment, in terms of both talent and class. Beyonce's face was one of pure shock and embarrassment at his little episode. He is a crime against humanity.
I just learned about this here, few minutes ago. I watched the video, and what he did was so wrong. He could have expressed his opinion by giving an interview tomorrow, or discussing it with Larry King, or writing a diss song... you name it. Then, I just checked MTV's website and it turns out Beyonce won three awards, including Best Video of the Year. AND she wasn't even a nominee for the award Swift won. WTF Kanye??? Both wrong and embarrasing.
P.S. I'm a big fan of his music.
kanye is my fuckin' dude. was that a dick thing to do? sure. was he right? you bet your ass he was
Beyonce dancing > Swift
I really hope that you are under the age of 16 if you are going to say stuff like that.
he was right? he was, neg me all you want
I'll admit, beyonce shakin her ass is pretty awesome, but what he did was uncalled for.
is a piece of shit. I hope he gets jacked in the jaw so badly that it swells up to twice the size of what it is now.
Dude thinks he is a rap legend, but he ain't shit. Fuck his arrogant ass.
"Dude thinks he is a rap legend, but he ain't shit."
I disagree . . . and I have album sales to prove it. He is arrogant, but he's good at what he does.
mean a god damn thing.
True rap legends aren't defined by album sales......90% of the supposed rap/hip hop that is on the radio is complete garbage.
Album Sales mean that he has a big bank account.
Kanye West is a great producer - my respect for him flew out the window the second he opened his mouth and started rapping.
Seriously, his charades are getting old...fuck Kanye West.
don't mean anything? if you can't sell any albums then no one's listening to you. if no one's listening to you, how can you be a rap legend? i don't think he views himself a rap legend for that matter either, you two would likely be in agreement that he isn't one
e-Fact: Kids buy albums (or the mp3s off the iTubes).
e-Fact: Kids are stupid.
"Album sales don't mean a god damn thing."
Okay . . . I can see that rational thought about the topic has gone out the window. Moving on . . .
Rabacks right. Album sales just mean you're more popular but the most popular doesnt always mean the best. Nelly, 50 Cent, Kanye, and the rest can sell millions of albums but by the "Hip Hop Community" most people will tell you they fuckin suck. Most of those album sales go to people who dont know a damn thing about Hip Hop.
I consider myself a Hip Hop head. Kanye can produce the hell out of an album but lyrically...his shit is gar-bage. He will never be on the level of Nas, Jay Z, Mos Def, Rakim, Guru, Immortal Technigue, Slug, Murs, Big Boi & Andre 3000 and fallen legends Biggie, Pac, Big L, and Pun. You'll also notice half the people I've listed wont sell as many albums as Lil Jon or Shawty Lo but they will lyrically beat them.
Either way...I think Kanye has some female tendencies.
Old 50 was decent, but new 50 is downright painful
Yes . . . and as we all know, musicians and popular culture are ALWAYS about the music, man, not the money.
I see you dropped the Boo-Boo avatar. Can I vote for a new Space Emperor one?
. . . I'm not a fan of kids who act that cocky on the field and who push down opponents who are trying to get up off the ground. I was kind of embarrassed by the way Cissoko played/acted against Notre Dame.
dude, lyrically kanye is way more talented than a lot of those guys you mentioned. besides the big 2, who i don't think many have even came close to, he's up there with jay z, nas, and outkast. i'd argue that nas is very overrated and jay z a little as well but that's for another day. but listen to murs, slug, or immortal technique (immortal technique, really?) and they aren't as talented (a lot of stupid references to bacardi, L's, etc.).
Do I like them? yeah, but kanye is a better all-around artist. just because someone has the 'underground' label doesn't mean that they are more talented. it's annoying when people actually think that. and you mentioned Pun, c'mon. of all the people you could've said that were more talented than Kanye, you think of Big Punisher? As a 'Hip Hop Head' I'd expect better than that.
I'll respectfully disagree on Slug, but only because I think he is capable of some very intelligent material. I can't say the same for a lot of rappers.
"So we can finally fly off into NASA"
I rest my case. Compare that to, say, Nas's "I Gave You Power," one of the most amazing rap songs lyrically in which he raps from the viewpoint of a gun (it's mindblowing IMO). Don't get me wrong: I like Kanye's music--I love College Dropout and a bit of Late Registration--but he's not the best lyricist, and I think he knows it despite his arrogance. Graduation was meh and I didn't even bother with his album(s?) after that. Sometimes he's on, but he certainly can't hold a candle to Nas and Jay-Z, two of rap's greatest living lyricists, or greats like anyone in the Wu-Tang, Talib, etc.
Side note: Eminem is great but sometimes his rhymes are off, kind of like Luda who just can't rhyme period. Otherwise he's a pretty good lyricist. Apparently he actually is one hell of a battler in real life.
Good call on Murs. I have two albums by him and he just isn't so good. I like the song "To a Black Boy," I got Murray's Revenge and I thought he was supposed to be better. I got Murs for President for like $5 at a liquidation sale but he just doesn't have it. I want to like it but it's a little grating to listen to him try.
I don't listen to that much Big Pun, but IIRC he was actually a pretty good lyricist.
Sriously did you just say that? Big Pun's "Capital Punishment" is classic! Ask anybody that appreciates Hip Hop.
Kanye is decent but he is no where near a top lyricist. Shit man his verses are just so stupid. Man "Swagger Like Us" and "Forever"? Seriously he gets murdered on both. Nas is overrated? You just lost all credibility you didn't have.
And Immortal Technique isnt a "Bacardi & L" man. He's on politics and story telling.
Kanye's best album couldnt hold a light to Capital Punishment, The Big Picture or ATLiens. He has so many female tendencies...Kanye's a bitch.
You are my new best MgoBlog friend. Those rappers you quoted are real hip hop legends, especially my favorite, Big L.
I also agree that Kanye has some female tendencies. I believe he likes to play the skin flute and orders tube steak for dinner every night.
My opinion is that he is a racist against caucasians as well.
I really have to check out Big L. Did he do tracks with Gang Starr and Nas? I remember WillyWill raving about him.
Re: Kanye being racist, I was actually thinking the same thing but was hesitant to say it. It can be speculated for sure. Some of his songs contain conspiratorial accusations such as Reagan introducing crack to the black community to bring down the Black Panthers. That's not necessarily a racist thing of him to say, but I think it could give an indication of where his feelings might be. Other songs portray white women as exclusively being sex objects. Now, many rap and rock songs portray women of all races as sex objects, but perhaps the case could be made that Kanye takes it to another level. The Taylor Swift thing could be due to his feeling that a white country singer could not possibly make as much as a cultural impact as an R&B singer. A big part of it is that he is incapable of accepting that people have differing tastes from his, but I would be a bit surprised if that was the only reason that he got up there.
This might be an important detail: did he have anything to do with that Beyonce song/video? Also, props to Beyonce for bringing Swift up on stage afterward. It might have been a bit awkward, but it was nice of her. She seemed to feel really bad about it.
"I disagree . . . and I have album sales to prove it. He is arrogant, but he's good at what he does."
Which makes him sorta like Charlie Weis except he is better at rapping that Charlie is at closing out football games.
Amen my friend. I enjoy some of his music but he's kidding himself if he thinks he's a rap legend. "So we can finally fly off into NASA"???!! That line makes me cringe and ruins an otherwise good R&B song.
Enjoy the idiocy of Kanye West.
what I've heard
Kanye is a no talent ass clown who got where he is based on hype and fooling a segment of the public that wants to be fooled.
He's a gay fish. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Wow. That's just not right.
I feel bad for Swift. I don't watch videos so I couldn't really care less about who wins the award, or if Kanye's right or not, but god she looked confused.
Was Taylor Swift accepting the award for this video?
Awesome Music video.
That was great
Also, I just went on the MTV site to see which of Beyonce's videos was nominated for Best Female Video, and she wasn't even a nominee, as far as I can tell. WTF, Kanye?
This thread should be probably be BALEETED.
I guess Homestar Runner isn't cool anymore.
My friend, Homestar Runner will always be cool, and I am saddened by the lack of respect for BALEETED.
Who watches MTV? I haven't watched that garbage channel in years. Let me know when they start showing music videos for more than 1 hour a day.
Why is everyone who thinks it was funny or, more importantly, though that he was right, getting downvoted? It's not like they took the microphone from Taylor Swift; it happened no matter what they say.
Anyway, this seems. . .I don't know. I honestly had no idea anyone watched the VMA's anymore. Seems like a completely dead idea; no one watches MTV for music videos anymore. MTV must be very thankful that every single one of my friends' status updates on facebook is about their show.
Points are to be given or removed for those you agree or disagree with, respectively.
Didn't you get that memo?
Yes, so - for you!
I did, but I didn't think it would be so blatant.
Anyway, my point was, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find this was planned, at least partially. MTV is absolutely that low, as an enterprise, and Kanye would be so on board to do something ridiculous.
credibility with his rambling, incoherent diatribe during the Hurricane Katrina relief concert. This only furthers that reality. Its unfortunate, because the man does make good music.
I like Kanye West's music, but he's a douche. I wanna punch him right in the babymaker.
so, what happened?
Taylor Swift won the best female award, and in the middle of her speech, Kanye came up on stage and took the mic.
He said something like, "Taylor, congratulations. I'm happy for you and I'm gonna let you finish." Then he turned to the crowd and said, "But Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. Of all time." And then he left the stage.
damn, that's just disrespectful.
I don't have a television. YouTube is taking vids of the incident off the board like it's MLB material. Could someone give the board a 30-second summary? Ideally it would be all the raunchy, crazy, silly, or weird stuff that happened.
I'm sadly serious about this request. I made the move to internet-only a while back, and usually don't care too much about these kerfluffles, but I'm always down for a schadenfreude fest or a popculturelolz.
Look directly above your comment.
by Beyonce calling Taylor back on the stage to have "her moment." That was awesome.
those are the types of actions that make people legends, not what kanye does
Beyonce looked shocked when Kanye pulled off his move.
Good for Beyonce, class act
No kidding. It doesn't change the fact that Swift's night and memories of her first VMA were probably ruined, but it was the best possible thing Beyonce could have done.
FishSticks has posted an apology on his "Blog" already, for whatever that's worth. He types like a 7 year old, to match his personality.
Some of his old music is okay, but when auto-tune became popular him and Lil' Wayne decided to be idiots and turn into singers instead of rappers. Kanye is at least better than Wayne at singing but they're both pretty bad. On top of that, he's a huge baby and he throws a fit every time something doesn't go his way.
I don't know... did you see Kanye on SNL last season? I tuned in to see him crash and burn, and had to change the channel it was so bad.
That freestyle of his at the end of the second song was decent, tho...Idk, I just like his music. It's about the only hip-hop I listen to.
That being said, huge douche. No doubt.
His rapping is ok, but he rarely has a song where he just raps anymore. He's trying to use notes, and doesn't know how. I'm with you though... there are a few songs I like, but I hate the guy.
How can you not think he is an ass?
"I changed the sound of music more than one time... For all those reasons, I'd be a part of the Bible. I'm definitely in the history books already." --Kanye West
He thinks he's the second coming of Jesus. I mean he has had a couple good hits and his music is good but he does nothing for himself by acting the way he does and saying the things he does.
Ever since he lost his Mom hes gon off the deep end. I wouldnt be surprised if has a severe drug problem or severe psychological issues that he needs help with. His behaviour and actions ever since his moms passing have been totally different then from when his mom was alive.
Just my e-pinion tho. Take it for what its worth.
Kanye being Kanye ... i think he does that dumb shit for 2 reasons ..1 publicity and 2 because he is a obnoxious grown man who still throws fits like he is 7 when things dont go his way.
Also nice to see Beyonce call Taylor up when she won and let Taylor finish her speech.
lastly ... damn Beyonce just fucked my head up for 24hrs ...i keep picturing her big bootylicious ass everytime i try to think.
Kanye is an asshole and an attention whore* but that wont make me enjoy College Dropout(04) any less. His attitude is terrible but what has resonated with me is the contrast between his massive ego and his child-like self awareness in his music. Sick beats go without saying.
Music Videos are still relevant?
That said, Kanye seems to be having some type of breakdown. His behavior over the last few years seems to be increasingly erratic. Sadly, because he has money nobody will get him the help he needs.
That, or he's an asshole.
At least that is what he seemed to base his excuse on when he was on Leno. Funny how Leno asks him a simple question and he can't answer it... I'm not thinking he has a lot going on upstairs.
reminds me why I don't like watching MTV. Other than for MTV Cribs , I don't think I've watched 10 minutes of it all year.
attention whore? Oh and Kanye is a jerk too.