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July 20th, 2012 at 12:21 PM | it should come down (Score:3 Normal)
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I like the point that it would be a constant security and liability issue.  It would need constant police presence and it's not worth in light of recent developments.

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:44 PM | Too bad the kids didn't get that. (Score:1)
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Why didn't they get police protection like a statue? Oh yeah, because this no talent ass clown was worried about his program.

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:29 PM | Gods statue (Score:2 Normal)
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I'm betting it doesn't happen this weekend.  There will be thousands of protestors that get in the way.  This just solidifies the idea that football was everything in Happy Valley.

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:15 PM | True dat.  The dumbest thing (Score:2)
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True dat.  The dumbest thing would be to announce when they are going to do it.  I'd take it down at 6am after a big party night.

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July 20th, 2012 at 9:34 PM | Announce that it's coming (Score:2 Normal)
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Announce that it's coming down next Sunday night but take it down next Saturday morning.  Oops, typo.

 

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:47 PM | Well (Score:5 Normal)
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On the other hand you could basically force the supporters to live there by having various reporters tweet "My sources say it is coming down tonight".  

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:31 PM | Good. (Score:3 Normal)
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One of the most undeserved statues I can think of (certainly the most unworthy sports figure). It needs to come down as soon as possible.

Go Blue!

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:32 PM | Right move by Penn State (Score:2 Normal)
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No man or legacy is bigger than the legacy of kid's safety.

I'm a hoke hore and I'm proud of it.

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:41 PM | Fantastic. (Score:4 Normal)
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Now try to come up with some shame, Board of Trustees.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:53 PM | Good. Melt it down and mold (Score:5 Normal)
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Good. Melt it down and mold it into Sandusky's jail cell bars.

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:25 PM | Or just stick a hole in its (Score:1 Overrated)
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Or just stick a hole in its rear and put it in Sandusky's cell...

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July 20th, 2012 at 12:53 PM | Honestly, after the way this (Score:2 Normal)
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Honestly, after the way this situation has been handled, there really was no right move for the trustees to make.  If they decided to take the statue down after saying "it represented the good JoPa did", then they're "bowing to media pressure".  If they decided to leave it up, they're "idolizing the evil that has gone on at PSU for years".  They dug themselves into a hole with that one.

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:11 PM | I'll never be convinced that at least one trustee didn't (Score:4 Normal)
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have knowledge of the reports, rumors or allegations. This hole was started a long time ago. All it needed was for one person to stop digging and do the right thing. Sadly, as an institution, they somehow thought burying it was the answer.

May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift

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July 20th, 2012 at 9:38 PM | They're going to catch hell (Score:3 Normal)
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They're going to catch hell no matter what they do.  

So they might as well just do the right thing.

M'Dog

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:10 PM | Someone should create a (Score:4 Normal)
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Someone should create a plaque or something as a tribute* to the victims and surreptitiously affix it to the ground once the statue has been removed (because the administration certainly wouldn't do it). 

Also, I hear the artist who painted the mural of PSU luminaries has first replaced Sandusky with a blue child abuse awareness ribbon, then Dora McQuaid, a PSU grad and advocate for child victims of sexual abuse (along with her handprint and that of one of the victims); removed the halo over Paterno and put a blue ribbon on his jacket; and is thinking of putting a blindfold on former president Graham Spanier. 

*and "tribute" isn't quite the right word, but can't quite come up with it.  Not a memorial b/c they're not dead. 

For my privacy, my new username is "non-Oriental non-Andrew"
 

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:21 PM | Who is the guy in the back (Score:2)
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Who is the guy in the back with the halo (?) behind his head?

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | And what is that on his (Score:2)
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And what is that on his shoulder?  A puppy?  a hamster?

/Confused.

Touchdown Michigan!

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:53 PM | Paterno had a halo too (Score:5 Normal)
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PSU AD:

"We are are totally not a football cult.  Now if you'll excuse me I need to hire a guy to paint a halo over Paterno's head."  

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July 20th, 2012 at 3:23 PM | I thought the idea was that (Score:2)
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I thought the idea was that dead people got a halo.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

- Mark Dantonio

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:24 PM | Nah. The Western art (Score:2)
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Nah. The Western art depiction of halos started with Alexander the Great when he was alive, and the Roman emperors used it, too.

But it's also used in Eastern art.

Plus, you know, the stadium had a halo for awhile...

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:36 PM | The Halo (Score:3 Normal)
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Yup, Paterno only go a halo after he died.  So PSU's timeline was:

  1. Sandusky Scandal goes public
  2. Sandusky painted out
  3. Paterno dies
  4. Halo painted over Paterno
  5. Freeh Report
  6. Halo painted out

Source

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July 20th, 2012 at 2:13 PM | Why was Sandusky even on that (Score:2)
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Why was Sandusky even on that mural?  I mean really, how is the defensive coordinator a campus icon? 

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July 20th, 2012 at 6:25 PM | He played there from (Score:2 Normal)
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He played there from 1963-1965, was a grad assistant in 1966, then joined the coaching staff in 1969. He was promoted to DC in 1979 and was there until 1999. So up until this scandal, he was a pretty big deal for them

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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July 20th, 2012 at 6:34 PM | I know his history and all (Score:1 Overrated)
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I know his history and all but really . . . could you imagine an assistant football coach ever being part of a similar mural in Ann Arbor?

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July 20th, 2012 at 9:42 PM | By the time they are done, I (Score:1)
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By the time they are done, I hope there are murals of Borges and Mattison all over town.

M'Dog

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July 20th, 2012 at 6:05 PM | very nice gesture (Score:1)
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very nice gesture

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:11 PM | Everyone knew this thing was (Score:2)
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Everyone knew this thing was going to come down eventually. Timing was the only question.

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:45 PM | Appropriateness aside,  I (Score:5 Normal)
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Appropriateness aside,  I think it's a pretty crappy piece of artwork.  The look on his face is ridiculous.  And why is he giving the "We're number 1" gesture?  Did he normally do that when he ran out of the tunnel?

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:19 PM | You're right about it being a (Score:2)
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You're right about it being a crap piece of sculpture. 

If they leave it up, they should change to the middle finger and turn the hand around. Since that's basically what they'd be telling the rest of the world...

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July 20th, 2012 at 6:12 PM | Was this the model for (Score:2)
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Was this the model for JoePa's hand?

 

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:18 PM | I think he's telling his team (Score:5 Normal)
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I think he's telling his team to go for "one" after yet another touchdown against Temple.

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | Jeebus. (Score:1 Normal)
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I didn't notice that in last year's lucky win over the owls. Yes, I said lucky.

PSU trolls.



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July 20th, 2012 at 4:18 PM | "Honestly, Smithers, I don't (Score:5 Normal)
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"Honestly, Smithers, I don't know why Harvard bothered showing up. They barely even won!"

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:24 PM | Heh. (Score:1)
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I hope Penn State doesn't cancel the season so I can enjoy September 22 in State College.

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July 20th, 2012 at 1:45 PM | This is a cop out (Score:5 Normal)
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Seriously, they are scared stiff that the NCAA is going to charge them with lack of institutional control, one of their biggest alumni backers if the former PA Attorney General and current governor who likely is being investigated discretely to see if he did anything to stop the child rape investigations. They are simply hoping that discarded a bunch of stones will appease everyone and get them to back off. They don't care in the least about a dead man's statue, they want to go back to they way things were and don't realize that they will NEVER be that way again. The days of blind checks are gone, thank goodness. 

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July 20th, 2012 at 3:26 PM | I hadn't realized that.... (Score:3 Normal)
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Gorden Gee had taken over as decider/PR director at PSU

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:00 PM | I'm not so sure about taking the statute down (Score:2)
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I think there is something to be said for leaving it in place as a constant reminder to everyone who sees it of what happened when people made the choice to protect the school rather than do what was right.  Could anyone going past that statute ever forget this incident?  Wouldn't it be a constant reminder of how one major misstep can ruin a career?  And a school's reputation?  Remove the statute, and you help to bury the story; leave it alone, and people are reminded of it every time they pass it.  If I were on the PSU board, I would want the statute down for that very reason.  And I agree, it is one crappy piece of sculpture.

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July 20th, 2012 at 4:48 PM | People will see what they (Score:3 Normal)
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People will see what they choose to when they look at the statue. For every person in Happy Valley who thinks about it as you do, there will be another with a contradictory viewpoint. Leaving it up does prolong the controversy about whether it should be taken down. That's probably not a good thing for them.

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July 20th, 2012 at 6:10 PM | Imagine if they didn't take (Score:2)
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Imagine if they didn't take it down.

In the long run, the scandal will be forgotten or at least compartmentalized.  Now, that may not be for another 15-20 years.  But eventually, that will happen.  And then young visitors to Beaver Stadium, circa 2030,  will see the statue with the "HUMANITARIAN" writing behind it, and assume that this Joe Paterno guy was the bee's knees.

Better to take it down now.

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July 20th, 2012 at 6:03 PM | how is this even a (Score:1)
KKisBlue4Life
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how is this even a consideration!!! TAKE IT DOWN!

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July 20th, 2012 at 9:20 PM | Remember the HUGE yahoo/SI story... (Score:2 Normal)
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I remember around the same time as the OSU scandal there was going to be a HUGE story about corruption in a major college football program.  Sure lying/cheating Tressel fell, but OSU was hardly punished and now ends up with arguably a better coach, pretty much in the same or a better position going forward.  No other story came out, but really, after this...can there ever be a HUGE scandal, everything will pale in comparison.

Now with this PSU story, everything else (and deservedly so) is trumped, as this is obviously the worst scandal to ever hit college sports, and maybe all of American sports, given the circumstances (Joe Pa legacy / hypocricy, etc.). 

While it may seem petty at this point, given the PSU victims and the horrendous nature of the crimes, is anyone else annoyed that OSU got off so easy...and now adding in this PSU disaster, their lying cheating ways have been overshadowed to a point of non-issue?

 

BILG

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July 20th, 2012 at 9:48 PM | Hate to say it, but man they (Score:1)
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Hate to say it, but man they skated free and easy.

I guess if I were them, I'd cheat too.  They're really good at it.

M'Dog

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July 20th, 2012 at 10:30 PM | If they don't take it down, (Score:2)
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If they don't take it down, man are they going to get sick of cleaning all the crap off of it everytime it gets vandalized. The Paternos are still swearing up and down that Joe was pure as the driven snow, maybe they should put it in their front yard.

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