OT: Jim Joyce Incident/Steve Bartman Incident

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Watching PTI wrap up the Jim Joyce debacle stating the home plate greeting as the olive branch to move forward. Michael Wilbon quickly made a reference between Joyce and Steve Bartman and found the similarities interesting. Empathizing the century long World Series drought the Cubs have endured opposed to a one-day, never happened in franchise history event. If Leyland (afterwards) and Galarraga conducted themselves like Dusty Baker and Felipe Alou. would we have a Bartman type scenario? Have we learend from it? Or was Bartman the victim outsider opposed to Joyce's fraternal ties to the game?

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Marley Nowell

June 3rd, 2010 at 7:27 PM ^

IMHO Dusty Baker is the one to blame for most of that.  Once Prior started getting hit around Dusty should have taken him out.  But no he left him in to throw 20-25 pitches more than he expected.  Surprise surprise Prior eventually falls apart physically even though his durability and throwing mechanics were never previously questioned.

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mattbern

June 3rd, 2010 at 8:11 PM ^

Not my point.  Bartman cost the Cubs an out and led to a Marlins rally that ended the Cubs playoff run when they were 4 outs away from making the World Series and made it 95 years without a World Series for them.  On the other hand, Jim Joyce's screw up led to Armando Galarraga's perfect game becoming a 1 hit, outstanding performance in which the Tigers won a meaningless mid-season game.  Also, everyone acknowledges that Galarraga really did pitch a perfect game.  

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June 3rd, 2010 at 8:08 PM ^

Bartman didn't boot the easy double play a few batters later when they still had the lead or lose game 7 all together.  Cubs had plenty of chances to make everyone forget about the incident. You only get 1 chance to mess up a perfect game.

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