I did not make this headline up
oh i already accepted the whammy for using terms that people interpret more broadly than i do. however, i don't think white trash is limited to the poor by any means. in fact, the most white trash people i see on a daily basis are often the most wealthy. you've been fair in your criticism and i appreciate it.
don't just come from the South, son.
yeah i agree with everyone, certainly could have picked his words better, but it was the heat of the moment. I've certainly said worse things in races.. hell I've probably said worse things to my mom watching Michigan games
that ref looked and acted waaayy gay. Nathan Lane called and said he needed to butch up...yeah, he's got my number. What of it?
What made him think the ref was an inconsiderate Harley rider?
In all seriousness, I've been a big proponent of Harbaugh on these boards, but this was terrible. And people making excuses for it should be ashamed. It's a fucking slur, you don't get a "heat of the moment" exemption.
That one literally made me "LOL". I love South Park.
Serious reaction to this- do we REALLY need any more reasons not to want Harbaugh here?
1) DUI issues
2) Trashing Michigan's academics/academic policies
3) Uses homosexual slurs
The guy has one good season at Stanford and all of a sudden he's this can't-miss coaching prospect. Well, frankly, he's a huge asshole.
I am more surprised that Harbaugh hasn't (yet at least) run into any sort of probs with the campus milieu if he in fact used that language. One can imagine the foment on a highly liberal west coast campus and "heat of the moment" would not resonate reasonably.
I've enjoyed reading the back and forth here but an earlier poster made a pretty interesting point in noting he trashed U of M and basically cut his ties with the AD with the AD while throwing his team mates under the bus (right Jamie Morris?), he has one a very limited record at Stanford, apparently has alleged NFL aspirations and, bluntly, seems to not have a filter between his thinking and his mouth. Well, can't much see him coming here...
Thus my thinking has moved to "I only like to talk about coaches that are likely to be coaching at Michigan".
Best wishes all of you
What's his deal?
a gay guy probably used his bathroom once
would explain this.
what's YOUR deal?
I don't get Harbaugh or the hype following him. This is the same guy who thanked Jesus in post game interviews back when he was "Captain Comeback" for the Colts. Like my dad always says: "You can be intense without losing your head."
What does thanking Jesus have to do with any of this?
but I cringe when I hear anyone thank a deity for a W. It would take a decidedly Old Testament, petty micro-manager style of a god to reach down and trip a blitzing LB or nudge a ball carrier into the endzone.
I feel like most athletes that are thanking God (or Allah or whoever) after a win do so in gratefulness for the blessing of talent they feel they have received from said deity, not so much the nuances of each play of the game. Makes it a little less cringe-worthy.
I'm not a big Harbaugh fan, but honestly, I'd bet most football coaches around the country (at any level) have used that word (not to mention lots of incredibly sexist terms). If you haven't noticed, jock culture tends not to be open-minded on these matters.
While I certainly don't condone using such slurs, if this was a one-time occurrence/slip-up, I wouldn't read too much into it. But based on the way Harbaugh has spoken to the media and bad-mouthed other coaches, coupled with some off-the-field issues (like a DUI), you get a sense that he might be one of those ticking time-bomb-type coaches, the type of guy like Gillespie at Kentucky who looks great on paper but has enough demons that it derails his program at some point.
I think he is a decent coach, but as I noted in an earlier post, Ty Willingham had an eerily-similar record at Stanford and, as we've all seen, flamed out at ND and Washington. I wish Harbaugh the best, but those clamoring for him after one good season is a little premature.
I could not have said that much better. I guess after the fire RichRod thing ran out of steam on the board the whole Harbaugh lovefest started.
One good season...if, by good, you mean an invite to the Emerald Bowl...
He will say something really horrible at a press conference one time, then have to issue a statement and everyone will freak out. Listen coaches say bad stuff, but an attack on someone, and calling people faggots is not cool. He might be a great coach, who knows. But going on 30 years now, the guy can't keep his mouth shut. At Michigan he ran his mouth non stop, but it was cool because he was "our" guy. In the NFL I don't think anyone could stand the guy.
I think it is only a matter of time before, he goes overboard and people get offended. It might be sports culture to yell faggot at people, but do it on tape or have someone say oh he called me a faggot and you have a Defcon 1 situation with the media.
i just think it's incredibly odd that Jim Harbaugh still posts on MGoBlog
well at Notre Dame.
Could you imagine the media sh*t shorm that would have erupted if this were RR and not the saintly Harbaugh in this video? Erosion of family values! Hate mingering! Destruction of the fabric of our culture! Say what you want about RR, but he doesn't run his mouth and embarass himself and our university by acting like an ass. (He embarasses us the old fashioned way, by losing 75% of his games - ZING! - /sarcasm)
so, again, you're telling me that anything he says during the game is acceptable and saved from judgment? that's like claiming things said and done by a drunk don't speak to their character. unfortunately for harbaugh and his car insurance agent, those things are not true.
That's not specifically true. You can swear your ass off and not be a bigot. It's bigotry if you say the word faggot, unless you're in a Dickens novel and are referring to sticks of wood. I don't know if "faggot" is what Jim said, but it sure looks like it.
Well, that's what the whole controversy is about. If it wasn't for the possible use of the word "faggot," no one would be talking about this.
You actually thought that this was because Harbaugh lost his temper at a ref? Do you also think that people were mad at Michael Richards because he shouldn't have raised his voice to a comedy club patron?
That's the dumbest comparison. I'll say all sorts of horribly offensive things to my friends, in private -- they know what I mean, and what I don't. That doesn't mean I would scream those same insults at someone in public, much less on national TV. One is acceptable, one is not. In the "real world," most people understand this.
It's not bigotry if you don't wholeheartedly mean the insult.. in all other cases, it can be chalked up to ignorance
in this case.. Harbaugh probably didn't mean it..
and jeebus christ.. you guys sound like my grandmother
that is absurd. coaches get a pass for being 'passionate' but if, in the middle of a 300 level class, a student debating with another about Chinese quantum physics said "you forgot the 18th century economic collapse of the northern farm region you (insert racist/biggoted term)" that would be unacceptable? or would it be acceptable since some great minds were racist.
it's really ridiculous when people put coaches and players on another level than the rest of society bc they make a brown ball go across fields.
also, until someone can come forward claiming Bo used the same derogatory term, i would suggest not bringing him into it.
You cannot seriously be comparing the level of stress/pressure felt by one who is coaching a big college football game with that felt by one in an academic debate. I'd say it's more at the level of a guy fighting with another guy over a girl. What do guys say to each other in that context?
For better or worse, "fag/faggot" is still a common sports insult. It's still very much the kind of thing a football coach would utter when he's pissed off. I'm not saying that you have no right to take offense when you hear it; I don't blame you at all. But to single Harbaugh out for this is missing the forest for the trees. He's a product of an entire culture that acts this way. I'd be stunned to learn that Bo never said this.
I'd be stunned to learn that Bo never said this.
I'd be stunned to learn that Bo never used the word "negro." We're in different times, and terms that were once acceptable no longer are.
I would be stunned to learn that Lloyd Carr ever used the word "faggot" in front of his players.
I agree. I actually can't see Lloyd saying that. But Lloyd was a bit of an odd duck in the coaching profession. There aren't too many college football coaches out there who are former high school English teachers, hold liberal Democratic political views, and seldom use profanity around players.
post-game handshake ever, he just wants to put on a helmet and hit the other coach after the game is over
Fucking asshole fuckheads. I know that doesn't make sense but people tend to not make sense when they are angry. Either way, it's wrong, but it looked to me like he said fuckheads, not faggots.
I agree, it doesn't look like he said "faggots". Had not someone put the words in a bubble, I would never have remotely thought he used that slur. Was the person who filled in the bubble near him? at the other end of the headset? I dont give a shit about Harbaugh, but this is akin to photoshopping a picture to make someone look bad.
And seriously, what are the chances of a gay ref in California anyway?
i agree and am really surprised i had to scroll down this far to find 1 person who didn't think he said faggot. it actually seemed clear to me that he didn't say it, everyone calm down.
Listening to Harbaugh fires me up; makes me feel like I can run through a brick wall.
Harbaugh has been getting slammed on these boards mercilessly over the last few weeks. Suddenly he uses the word "faggot" and people are rushing to his defense.
sadly people find this form of bigotry to be inherently different than similarly insulting terms that might be used against individuals of different races. i really didn't expect, however, to see this sort of defense on a UM board.
This is called
Making a mountain
out of a molehill
Pseudo-haiku makes me a sad panda.
Edit: Can I call it fauxku?
Also, I don't like Harbaugh's use of the word "faggot", but I think other posters have covered the issue pretty well already.
why not ask for some firewood to keep warm?
Not everybody need to dress like Tressel.
You people need to let this go.
He's a football coach. Even if he did say what you are accusing him of (which is far from a slam dunk), I've been called that by every football coach I've ever had.
I'm not saying that coaches should talk like that, but if you wanted to hire a coach who never used that word or a comparable one you'd rule out nearly every guy who's ever watched football, let alone played or coached it.
And I should care why, exactly?
Not like he's coming to Michigan, anyway.
As an aside, *if* Harbaugh used a slur of that sort then I would wonder less if he is a bigot and more about his limited understanding of who he is working for at Stanford and what ideals and expectations he is supposed to represent. It's a liberal school on the west coast...do the math.
So where does this fit in with Michigan? Regarding Harbaugh, a decent coach but nothing more...A reasoned analysis would relate to questions about his inability to demonstrate the required sort of judgment, integrity and class required of the head football coach at the University of Michigan. Language is about choices informed by many factors...but to cop out to emotion or so called "heat of the moment" is just weak. This is Michigan and we would and should expect more.