OT - JD Martinez
Unfortunately he can't pitch, so all of that will likely be for absolutely nothing.
JD Martinez is a machine.
Bullpen is it's usual self. No matter who they stick in there they can't get it done. It's like watching a house fire. There's nothing you can do about it but you continue to watch.
edit: Or maybe a power plant fire
I will say that when a great majority of your team's pitching stats sit considerably above MLB mean, you have to wonder if indeed that video is not exactly what is happening to the staff as a whole sometimes.
That being said, Kinsler just showed us a bit of the spunk that keeps the Tigers' offensive stats in relatively good shape despite the appearance of the last few weeks, so we do have that. This would be a nice confidence boost, I believe, if they can silence Cleveland here.
They are 24th in ERA, so it's safe to say pitching has been the major problem. 11th in quality starts suggests the bullpen is an issue, not to mention the fact that the $9 million closer has a 6 ERA.
Regardless, this team is about where they should be at this point. Six games over .500, half-game up in a weak division. If the pitching settles down they should still win the division and once you're in the playoffs anything can happen. That's all you can ask for. They were cursed by running so hot to start the year, but on balance this is about what we expected. It's a good opportunity for the bandwagoners to jump off, which is welcome.
seems to be a streaky hitter who's on the hottest of streaks right now. IIRC, when he was brought up from Toledo several weeks ago, he had just hit 4 HRs in a doubleheader, then continued hitting pretty well for several games before cooling way off. But in the last week or so of games, wow, his bat has been en fuego' !
Why doesn't Ausmus put Joba in? Krol's given up two singles and two HRs in this inning.
I think he wanted to save him for a game...waited one batter too long.
Went to take a dump... 1 pt game...Im gonna start taking longer shits...
I don't wanna be that guy.. but.. come on. There are no points in baseball. You are starting to sound like my wife.
sounds like you need to start taking shorter shits!
This. And take mediocre prospect Robbie Ray with you. Still can't believe that trade was made by a team hoping to win a World Series this year!
I'm not ready to give up on Ray... He can take Krol, though.
I wouldn't know. I've never been on RCMB. But apparently you frequent it. How nice for you.
What? Is "This." an RCMB thing? I'm pretty sure it's just an internet thing.
is having the finest week since Alexander Graham Bell invented both the telephone and the doggystyle position back in March of 1876....
Ausmus is quickly gaining a reputation for leaving guys in too long.
Isn't that what Tigers fans wanted. They always bitched about that with Leyland. I have yet to see a manager who gets it right all the time.
We need this game for confidence more than anything... If Nathan can shut the door in the ninth, he will have two consecutive one run saves which could be huge for him... As for the rest of the bullpen, well... I don't know... Ship them all except for Joba and Al.
Stop bunting. Teams that bunt lose. David was already in scoring position.
Or you'll unleash more of the wrath of the Leyland bashers.
RBI right there by Kinsler. Now 6-4 Tigers with Kinsler on 2nd, lets get some MOAR runs!
Nothing would make me happier than if the MLB banned that drum.
How about Miggy putting a line drive through that drum?
Also Ausmus put Nathan in too many times when he wasn't doing well. That costed us a lot of games.
Yay, a back to back win for the second time in like 5 weeks...
let it get interesting as the Indians got the potential tying run to the plate, but finally nailed it down.
Now need KC to lose, they were down by 2 in the 6th last time Rod and Mario gave an update.
Tied at 5 in the 8th.
Seeing eye bloop hit, i'll take that result from Joe Nathan any day of the week. He's looked sharp the past 2 days, need more to feel comfortable again but he's getting swinging strikes again....and that's encouraging.
Encouraging games from Nathan on back-to-back days. He's getting swinging strikes and locating. I'm not going to say he's back yet, but it would be huge if he continues to show this improvement.
What do you guys think is wrong with Verlander?
but it might be worthy of its' own thread or three.
/ducks and runs for cover
Also, I love what JD Martinez has brought to the team. It should be interesting to see how the outfield situation plays out if Dirks comes back and does well. I know Torii is a clubhouse leader and a veteran, but he has left a lot to be desired at the plate and on the field.
I couldnt believe Houston cut this guy and the tigers got him for nothing. I was stoked based on his minors stats. He may be a solid RF for years to come.
Eh... We said the same thing about Dirks, Boesch, and Avila after their rookie seasons... It's encouraging, but let's not get too ahead of ourselves.
You need to revisit the minors stats for those guys
martinez' OPS is 900+.
anyone think he's at all legit or just boesch 2.0?
ausmus thinks he's got something, based on playing time + where hes hitting.
as for the rest of the team, hoping we might be out of that funk, but not expecting so.
the bullpen is a disaster, exacerbated by the starters all going off track. funny to hear criticism of pitching coach jeff jones - how is he supposed to put out 12 fires at once?
if the starters can get it together the bullpen will look alot better.
he's better than Boesch, as he's got a quicker, shorter swing, is better defensively, and has a little more speed.
I took a quick look at JD Martinez's minor league and MLB stats on a website of two when the Tigers brought him up from Toledo and was fairly impressed. At best, he might end up being a Larry Herndon-level player, IMO, if long-term he can produce against both righties and lefties.
good point. when boesch came up, i think he hit 350 his first 2 months with like 40 rbis. but after that his long swing that was filled with holes plus terrible swing selection made him borderline worthless.
we'll see if pitchers find holes in his swing, but you are absolutely right that at least in the mechanics of it, martinez is nothing like boesch.
There was an article (I'l try and find it after posting this) but the article claimed that JD changed his entire swing this off-season by watching countless hours of guys like Miggy and Braun.
Rod Allen mentioned it on the broadcast tonight but he went from bringing the bat through the hitting zone for only 3 frames of film, to 6 frames of film. Now I know this all sounds ridiculous but it's sure seemed to work for him thus far. He is flat out raking this week.
Down the LF line and RF line. And he is a + defender and baserunner. With his size and athleticism he has some serious upside. At worst he is a 4th OF that can play all 3 positions.
He actually grades out poorly defensivley, and i'm of the opinion that he just average on the basepaths. Now that's not a huge criticism because it's an upgrade at the moment of what Torii's done the past 2 months.
He may or may not be just a 4th OF but I think I'm ready to see him in the lineup daily and see if he runs himself into the ground or if he continues to be an everyday corner outfielder.
Its very detailed and breaks down changes in his swing plane.
it's something I hadn't seen yet regarding J.D. Martinez, but it goes a long way in explaining/illustrating what I've heard from various sources about how Martinez retooled his swing and improved his hitting.
I'm guessing you're being sarcastic since Shelton had a good April and that's it. Is that guy even around anymore?
Tigers back in 1st, all is right in the world.
As an Astros fan, i was sad to see him go. I really enjoy watching him play. Fun fact: JD Martinez hit the first HR at the Marlins new stadium.
Wow another Astros fan on here. I assumed I was the only one.
It is hard to watch them up here in Michigan though.
And I'm sure a bunch of Cubbies fans, so you are not alone in your sports pain.
Does anyone else miss Jim Leyland?
I still don't.
Leyland bashing for a team that has lost I believe 19 of their last 31?
Way to keep your eye on the prize.
I wasn't bashing Leyland. He did a helluva a job with the Tigers. I just thought it was time for him to go. I like Ausmus, I think he'll be a good big league manager.
Now, go outside and enjoy a beautiful windy city sunrise.
Good riddance. This core group of Cy Young's and MVP's will likely never win a WS because that idiot went 1-8 in WS games as the favorite and his epic fail of a performance of game 2 in tha ALCS last year.
Too small of a sample size but it seems like they hired Leyland Jr. this time around with his belief in bunting and piss poor bullpen management. Although this roster can't hold a candle to anything Leyland had, so he gets some slack there.
I agree. I still can't believe he put himself in to pitch to Ortiz and served up that meatball. What a clown!!
He did think it was in the best interest of the team to use FOUR relief pitchers in one inning though, which is completely ignorant.
So is your opinion on a likely hall of fame manager.
Totally agree. Unless your Mike Sosa how about we keep the skipper bashing to a minimum. Especially a retired one who took the Tigers to new heights of supremacy in the AL and MLB.
Never know, could be the next Shelton or Thames. But could also be the next Jose Bautista. Sometimes just takes a little time. Either or, liking what he's doing right now.
As does my fantasy team. Hey, I gotta be a homer.
Now if I could just bring myself to dump Austin Jackson...
Detroit has been money against Cleveland in recent years -- not so much this year, though. Hopefully, last night's result was the beginning of the usual trend.
And yeah...what can you say about JD? He's been absolutely on fire lately. My question, though, is where would the this team be right now without V-Mart? He's been on fire all season long.
Tigers just won 5-4 in 10 innings. And KC lost earlier as they got 3-hit by the Mariners, so Detroit now leads the Royals by 1 1/2.
Detroit was very fortunate to escape, but at least got a decent start out of JV this time. The bullpen was hot-and-cold in relief, but the biggest surprise was that...hold on tightly to something so that you don't fall over in shock...Phil Coke got the save by striking out 3 in the 9th (though he did give up a 2-out single because, well, that's just what Coke does.
Didn't listen to the stats, but the undeserving Joe Nathan had to have been credited for the win, despite blowing the save by dishing up 3 consecutive 2- out singles to Cleveland in the 9th, allowing them to tie it up.
Miggy drove in the winning Tiger run in the top of the 10th, because, well, that's what Miggy does. And does so well.
another good game by jd.
same cant be said for the 3rd base coach. in the last week he got victor thrown out at home by about 15 feet.
tonight cabrerra ran threw a stop sign when they didnt even challenege with a throw.
now, he just made the second out at home when we might have put up a big number in the inning.
to the baseball glitterati, am i nitpicking, is 3rd base coach tougher than it looks, or is this guy just bad?
Update: JD is still a good player. The concern of him being Brennan Boesch 2.0 looked valid for a bit, but he's overcome a rough stretch and is playing as well as ever right now.
For those wondering whether its safe to watch the Tigers again, I am not giving my personal "all clear", but we are ceartinly not in the downard spiral we were in very recently.
Also, credit to Ausmus, when things go bad finger pointing is rampant, but I think he did an admirable job weathering the storm. I also give him credit for nursing JD through his bad stretch. Rather than running him out there every night and killing his confidence he basically lifted him from the lineup for what seemed like 2 weeks.