According to sources through ESPN, Jared Sullinger has been medically red-flagged for the 2012 NBA Draft due to back issues. Probably going to seriously affect his draft position.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
According to sources through ESPN, Jared Sullinger has been medically red-flagged for the 2012 NBA Draft due to back issues. Probably going to seriously affect his draft position.
Never would wish that on a player despite the rivalry.
Throughout all of the rivalry, the kid (and his family) have been pure class. I really hope things work out for him. Maybe he can withdraw from the draft, play another year of college ball, and get a clear bill of health at the end. (but still lose both games to us)
I wonder if this was partially due to the fact that one of his legs is longer than other. This was already concerning some NBA training staffs since it could pose back problems down the road.
Was this because of an injury or was he born with one leg slightly longer?
I believe he was born with it, but not completely sure.
Has he already officially declared for the draft? After the Burke drama subsided, I kind of stopped paying attention to who was staying and who was going pro. Just wondering whether he could stay at OSU another season to let this pass if it's a big concern.
Also, did anyone else see this part from the end of the article:
In 2009, Pittsburgh's DeJuan Blair was also red flagged by the NBA when medical tests at the NBA combine revealed he didn't have ACL's in either knee.
That had to have been a surprise.
The Spurs took a chance on him, only after their own training staff did an examination on him. I guess they knew something because he has turned into a solid contributor for them.
Yeah, I read that, and to this date I don't think it's had much of an effect on Blair. He's not a starter, but he has made an impact for the Spurs.
Look on the brightside. He'll never tear an ACL.
If a man with no ACLs plays for Purdue, does the world fold in on itself? Is it like dividing by zero?
I don't think so. Despite similar warnings, the Cincinnati Bengals once put a player on the field with no rap sheet and we're all still here.
Blair should have been moved higher instead of being red-flagged. If you don't have an ACL, then it's impossible to sustain an ACL injury. What is wrong with these guys?
Yeah, this is definitely not "music to the ears." This doesn't necessarily mean that he won't be a productive player in the NBA, especially since it's way too early to tell how it's going to affect his career, but at the very least it will affect the cash value teams will be willing to invest on him.
""It pulled on his hip flexor and he's been taking care of it to loosen it. You can call it a red flag if you want. But it's tight hamstring and tight quads. "
Well, considering that tightness or weakness in these areas in these areas can lead to pelvic imbalance, which definitely can lead to back pain, I understand their concern. Oddly enough, from my own sports medicine guy, I heard that this imbalance can be mistaken for a physical difference in leg length. The yoga - particlarly some Thai yoga techniques, I believe - is pretty useful for this, however.
I don't doubt that it affects Sullinger's draft position quite a bit, but there's no reason he can't have a career if he does the correct workouts and manages it now (and keeps it up), I think. If nothing else, it could possibly be managed to a point where he could contribute somewhere, but of course, he could still have issues all the same in time. Pretty disenheartening for him to hear this, I am sure.
I would be 'shocked' if a physiologic limb length discrepancy is a red flag for an NBA team. With all the maseuses, chiros, PTs pro teams have at their disposal, they can realign his pelvis before every practice and game.
Besides, the back pain associted with a limb length discrepancy is just that; back pain (specifically, from the sacroiliac joint). Should not have an effect on accelerated disc degeneration/prone for disc herniations. His height, occupation will be doing that just fine without blaming it on a limb length disc.
Hell, even if it's an anatomic limb length discrep, you can either have a heel lift put in (if < 0.5") or have the heel custom-built (if > 0.5") and things should realign just fine.
Well this wraps up all the suspense...the Pistons will draft him at number 9. That is, of course, if they don't trade up to take him even earlier.
Sounds like a prototypical Portland Trailblazers pick...Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Bill Walton, Sam Bowie...
I hope the pistons don't draft him. We need a legitimate center to go with monroe or a good 2 so we can do away with stuckey.
Nope. Monroe is a legitimate center in his own right. With Wallace retiring there isn't another proven center on the roster, so we should seek out another 5, but to back up Greg,not pair with him.
Is not a center. He is a 4 forced to play out of position. He isn't a shot blocker, plays below the rim, and can't handle guys one on one on the block. Great player, but not a true center (not that there are many these days).
Greg Monroe is basically in no man's land defensively.
Uber athletic big men, like Ibaka, give him fits because he's relatively unathletic.
Big men who can spread the floor, like Chris Bosh, give him fits because he's not very quick and doesn't run that well.
And bulldogs like Al Jerrferson or Kendrick Perkins give him fits because he's not that strong for his size, so they push him around under the basket.
That's why, IMO, the Pistons would be best served by bringing in an athletic big man, who is a good weakside help defender, who can guard other athetic or floor spacing big men, and cover for Monroe. This frees Greg up to work on getting stronger and just worrying about guarding the low post bigs, rather than having him half assedly try to guard multiple postions.
In my defense, he hasn't been the same guy since he blew out his knee.
A very clever rebuttal. Well done, sir. Well done!
Simply put, he plays to more of his strengths and masks more of his weaknesses by playing nearer to the basket on offense and defense. While I agree that those are areas I would improve if I could, very few of his absolute advantages would dictate he spend more time at PF. As far as team makeup is concerned, you can almost always cram more talent onto the floor if he is paired with a 4 man.
More than anything, the Pistons could use an athletic big to compliment Monroe. The last thing they need is an undersized big, who plays well below the rim.
I would rather they take a chance on Perry Jones or John Henson, despite being much bigger risks. Right now, the Pistons seem to be doomed to mediocrity, a.k.a. the NBA's fate worse than death.
Yep. If I were a betting man I would put a decent chunk on Henson being our draft pick. I'd prefer him to Jones if only because we have enough tweeners in Jerebko, Daye, and Villanueva.
I agree. I think Henson can be a good NBA player. It would be nice if his frame allowed him to put on a bit more weight but I'm not sure he'll ever be a guy with meat on his bones. He will be like Durant or Tayshaun in that he's permanently skinny, but he's a great athlete and Pistons could use the length.
To the surprise of not many; I think the Pistons should draft Royce White.
Didn't watch much Piston basketball this year did ya? In the games Stuckey was healthy he actually had a good year. He and Knight play really well together. Stuckey has gotten a bad rap in Detroit for some reason, but he was the 15th pick in the draft (not a top 5 pick) so I'm not sure what people were expecting out of him.
Sure he's not perfect and he's not a superstar, but he has been infinitely better than most of the players drafted after him. He had 9 games this year where he scored 25+ points which is waaaaay more than anyone drafted after him can say aside from Marc Gasol (and nobody wanted Gasol, he was a late 2nd rounder).
If you are expecting him to be D-Wade, he's not that. But if you want a solid 2-guard he is that. It's not even like he is being overpaid. I will never understand the disdain for Stuckey around here. He's actually been a great role model for BK too. BK was interviewed during a Tigers game last week and said he and Stuckey have been in the gym pushing each other every day since the season ended.
I think the disdain regarding Stuckey doesn't stem from the fact that people don't think he's a good player. It more or less stems from the fact that he seems like one of those guys where, if he's your 2nd or 3rd best player, you're not going to win a whole lot of games.
That, and the fact that he really hasn't improved at all since his second year in the league.
I'm generally not a Stuckey apologist, but his development or lack thereof could be partially explained away by his having had four different head coaches in the five years he has been in the league. On top of that, he has had to deal with a constant glut of guards with Chauncey,Hamilton, Iverson,Gordon,Knight, etc. with ever-shifting roles for each.
Edit: Aiming at poster who started this whole Pistons saga by taking the comment about drafting him #9 seriously.
I've heard some inside info on his back and it's not good. I was told his exams would eventually lead to a drop in his nba stock. I can't share more info bc hipaa.
I've been trying to decide if you're serious. If you're a healthcare provider, you've already violated HIPAA with the information in your post... if you're not, then HIPAA doesn't apply to you, so either way, you should go ahead and tell us the rest of your super secret insider information.
I haven't violated anything bc the info has already been released, it's public, and I wasn't the one who released it.
....but this injury probably bumps him down where he should get drafted. if you are 6 '9" you need to be pretty athletic in the league ; hes just a good college bball player and thats it.
Switching gears here.....
Does anybody else think Anthony Davis has a pretty high bust potential? A lot of people have been penciling him in as a lock to be the next number one pick to become a superstar.
I'm not saying there's no chance he'll be everything people are making him out to be, or at the very least, he won't be a good defensive player. I just think he could be one of the bigger draft let downs in recent memory.
I don't know what to think of him. I think he's very raw because he's only been tall for a few years. I believe he was a guard his sophomore year of high school and had a crazy growth spurt. So he's still learning the position. But he's got the wingspan of a pterodactyl. I think he'll be good - but a superstar? Not sure.
Yeah. I look at him and think, he's a one dimensional player at this point. I think that's fairly obvious. What would worry me if I were a Hornets fan is that he's the "wrong kind" of one dimensional player.
It's a hell of a lot easier to teach an uber athletic scorer to play defense than it is to teach an an uber athletic defender to score.
Think about Lebron (not to compare the two). He came into the league as a super athetic scorer who couldn't really shoot and wasn't that great on defense. Nine years into his career, he's one of the best defenders in the league but he still can't really shoot.
Look at Dwight Howard. Came into the league a super athletic big man, who was a good defender, but couldn't really score. Years later, he's a great defender, but he still can't really score (other then dunks and putbacks).
I really look at young Dwight Howard for comparison. I don't think Anthony Davis will ever be as good of a defender or rebounder as Dwight, simply because he'll never be as big, strong, or athletically dominant as Dwight is/was.
Maybe he has certain intagibles that Dwight doesn't have, and will have a better front office in New Orleans, but I think a "broke Dwight Howard" is the kid's ceiling. Especially if he never develops the offensive side of his game. Dwight's offense skills are fairly limited but he's so physically imposing that he can get away with it. Unless Anthony Davis starts Barry Bondsing it, I don't he'll never be as physically dominant as Dwight.
Hakeem Olajuwon was an uber athletic big man who can defend but can't score worth a shit. He developed into one of the best big man of all time.
It goes both way.
Olajuwon didn't really develop a post game until maybe 8 years into his career though, once his legs started failing him.
All of that is kind of off topic however. I think the point stands that it's much easier to teach an elite athlete to play defense, than offense. There are more Marus Cambys and Serge Ibakas(hell, even Kwame Brown turned into one of better low post defenders in the game based on sheer athleticism), than there are Hakeem Olajuwons
tends not to develop. Hakeem can score and can shoot jumpers. Not about post game.
If anything, I worry for him due to there not being much precedent for players like him to succeed. The only top 4 pick with a frame similar to his to actually blossom into an all star has been Chris Bosh, and he wasn't pegged as a game changer on draft day. Stromile Swift and Tyrus Thomas are the other two and were both considered to be more athletic, defensively impactful players, but neither have panned out. I have no idea what the best case scenario is for Davis.
Bosh is a good analogue for his upside. Marcus Camby, too. Those guys have had a nice careers but haven't ever been anyone you build a team around. Davis's issue is always going to be bulk. Can he put on enough weight to play on the block or is he going to be another face up 6'11" guy?
Not directly to Needs.
People forget he was a freshman. And if Marcus Camby is your low end, you've still gotten a good player with a good career. But upside I don't think they're looking at him as much as a Dwight Howard type as a Tim Duncan type. I see him listed as anywhere from 248-255 as an NBA old man playing weight. Can't find what he weighed his first year in college.
However he averaged 9.8 points a game as a freshman, and 16.8 as a sophomore. Pretty comparable. And I don't know that early Duncan showed a lot more flash of offensive potential as a kid. Now, I'm not saying Davis is destined to be as good as the greatest power forward of all time. But that's the type of player they're looking for, style wise. With maybe a little more Dirk and Durant outside lankiness, if not those guy's shot. Just that he hasn't had 4 years college to develop all that, and while it may be hard to do it in the NBA, he has the years. When you leave that early (or earlier) like Lebron, it seems like you've been in the League forever, but still are in your prime. Kobe is getting all those records because he had 4 more quality NBA career years than a lot of guys who had to wait to enter the League.
I may be in the minority around here, but I think he's the surest bet we've had at #1 since Rose, and though his upside probably isn't as good as Rose, it's better than a lot of the top picks we've had since. (Though I'm sure they'd be as happy with him being as good as Griffin...I'm just not sure he was a can't miss prospect).
But I'm mainly pissed because I think he'd have been the perfect compliment and exactly what the Pistons need.
This will knock Sullinger to around where I think he should have been drafted in the first place. High floor, low celing. He's about as good as he's going to be. But he's also a fairly sure thing at being able to contribute at the NBA level.
This isnt cool, but its about OSU. I saw no one had posted it.
I don't have 100 points or I'd add it.
But that stock pic is quite hilarious. I'm guessing there is an abundance of images depicting mouth-breathing, creepiest-looking buckeye fans.
This is a fake. Picture is from a video on YouTube from years ago. It was a news
Story about a man jacking off in libraries. This is old. Not trying to be a dick to you, but as great as it would be, there's no cumshot bandit lurking the streets of CBUS
Just because the stock photo is old, doesn't mean the story is old.
This is one time I'm glad to be wrong...
The problem with the pistons is deeper than getting a true center. They have a lot of talent but none of it really meshes together and we lack the coaching to make it work.
Agree and disagree. The talent doesn't mesh well - but that is mostly Ben Gordon and Charlie V - both of whom are not part of the future of this franchise. Still scratching my head over Dumars signing them but whatever. Before this past season we had too many shooting guards - Gordon, Rip, and Stuckey (who as much as they tried to make a PG, he's just not a PG). Stuck and Knight really started to get it going second half of the season IMO. I thought Stuck was dispensable, but he really improved his stock in my eyes.
Frank actually did a great job this past season. With the lockout, you couldn't really expect much of a start with a new coaching staff. Second half of the season was much better.
Monroe and Knight are good, not great, pieces to build around. I'm hoping they can get someone that will really help them out with the 9th pick, we'll see. LOVE Jerebko - good backup PF/SF. Maxiell is solid as well. Not a fan of Daye, his time is up. Tay is getting older, not sure what they'll do with him.
They were only like 3-5 games back of being where New Orleans was. (If you don't believe in the conspiracy theories). Their biggest problem is that they believe can't sign a star (thus the stupid waste of cap space on Ben and Charlie), trading for a top tier star is all but impossible (though you can trade for 2 or 3 2nd tier close stars), and they insist on not getting bad enough to draft a superstar. Even in years where there's a clear cut one available. So they're in NBA purgatory, last team in the playoffs or bottom of the lottery, to be mediocre forever. They're the 80's Milwaukee Bucks.
I'm friends with his brother J.J. and apparently this is an inaccurate report.