February 24th, 2014 at 10:14 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 10:17 AM ^
Thanks for reminding me of that. I had selectively forgotten about that particular play. Now it's like a song that won't get out of my head. Thanks. :P
February 24th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^
I had not watched that play in a long time. Seeing it again, I sadly realize Clowney isn't the only one bursting through the line almost unblocked. Apparently the Lewan/Kwiatkowski missed assignment wasn't the only one. When will the O-Line of infinite sorrow end?
February 24th, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^
If youre going to go through that much work at least make sure the health bar is zero.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^
but thanks for the feedback.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^
Most defensive tackles can do that if no one blocks them
February 24th, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^
I disagree. I think Michigan fans believe it's overrated because it's against Michigan.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^
A good defensive tackle, unblocked, with a 5'6 guy running straight at him, is a recipe for a blow up hit every time. It was over-rated due to that fact, and the Clowney factor IMO
February 24th, 2014 at 10:37 AM ^
I don't think the hit was overrated. I think Clowney got overrated because of the hit.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:40 AM ^
I see what you're saying, I think its hard for John Q. Public to differentiate between the two.
February 24th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
Yeah, it is. I'd even argue it was a dumb play since he should have been flagged for helmet to helmet.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^
Don't be bringing in all your logic and Magnusness!
February 24th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^
That's absurd. He could easily play OLB or even SS. The bad news is that this will be ESPN news for months.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:19 AM ^
forgot the link - but they overlay gifs of Clowney vs. the "Black Mamba" as well as "Johnny Football". Barely loses to the RB from Oregon, and BEATS Manziel handily. NUTS.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:21 AM ^
I think Clowney is going to be a bust. Not because of his athletic ability, but because he takes too many plays off. If that was happening when he wasn't paid yet, imagine what it'll be like when he's collecting those checks. People down here (SC) aren't as fond of him as you'd imagine they would be. Everyone will say "yeah but when he's just a pass rush specialist he'll be fine" and then I just think that downs his value a bit. Freak athlete for sure, cornerstone of a franchise...I doubt it.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 10:37 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
you mean you think the Lions should try to draft him?
February 24th, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^
You know...that kept running through my head. He is a prototypical lions player. Terrible motor, high ceiling athlete, fails to meet potential. He doesn't play WR though so I doubt it's a fit.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
As impressive as that time in the 40 is, I think it'll set the expectation higher. Coaches and GMs will know he can go that fast when he applies himself, so when they see him slacking they'll know its a matter of motivation. I hope that its just a matter of him being "bored" last year that led to this impression of him. I hope he has a good career.
And yeah....HE WAS UNNN BLOOOOCKED! :-)
February 24th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
I don't think he is going to be as big a bust as Mike Mamula from years past - but expectations are so high for Clowney it will be difficult to meet them. Houston will smokescreen teams and try to entice them to trade up for a king's ransom. Not worth the cost IMHO. Who was the last D-Lineman picked in top-5 that was crazy good? Mario Williams disappeared to Buffalo. Suh has been good but worth what he costs under the old CBA? Doubtful.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
is the point. There will be insurmountable expectations for Clowney based on reputation and now on his combine. There's no arguing he might be pretty good - but people think he is a savior and I haven't seen it from the DL.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:41 AM ^
He also put up only 21 reps at the bench press. That's going to cost him more money than the 40 time will gain him.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 3:25 PM ^
reps are between 20-30, NFL don't care for it.
Look at notable NFL DE's bench press #:
Aldon Smith: 22 rep
JPP: 21 rep
Chandler Jones: 20 rep
Carlos Dunlap: 22 rep
Ziggy Ansah: 21 rep
February 24th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^
I have 9 Defensive Ends drafted in the top 5 overall since 2000, two of those were last year (Dion Jordan, Ziggy Ansah) and its too early to tell how good they are but Ansah looks aiight (8 sacks as a rookie). That leaves us with 7:
- Mario Williams - All-Pro in 2007, 2008, 2013
- Julius Peppers - 6 time All-Pro
- Justin Smith - 5 time All-Pro
- Chris Long - has not made all-pro, but has 33 sacks the last three seasons.
- Tyson Jackson, Gaines Adams, and Courtney Brown were busts.
Those look like pretty good odds of finding a GREAT DE to me.
The value vs CBA is an awkward benchmark, Suh is probably the best at is position. The messed-up-ness of the CBA at the time is the Lion's problem, not his.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^
13 years of DE drafted in top-5, 3 were Pro Bowlers (<25%). But I also am comparing the value of this position that high relative to others. There are those who believe the Texans should take him first overall - and ignoring the need for a potential Franchise Quarterback. This is where I say people are calling him a savior - and none of the 3 DE you highlighted as Pro Bowlers are that. They just can't have the impact on a team that a #1 QB can. But because of his combine numbers and reputation, someone will overlook other needs for the "flashy" name.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^
Check your math, 3 out of 7 is 43% and we're throwing away Chris Long like he's worhless. Those three have each been named all-pro at least 3 times. Meanwhile, how many QB's drafted in the top-5 overall since 2000 have been named All-Pro? Answer: zero.
Here's the list, show us where the savior is:
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Matt Ryan
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Carson Palmer
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Michael Vick
There are some decent QBs there, but none of these guys qualify as 'saviors'. So, who would you rather bet on: Jedeveon Clowney or Teddy Bridgewater/Johnny Manziel/Blake Bortles?
February 24th, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^
Stafford is the savior of everything!
February 24th, 2014 at 9:27 PM ^
Dontari Poe at KC made a pro-bowl.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^
Obviously Clowney can destroy worlds when he's at his peak motivation. But why doesn't he do that all the time? If a team is using a top-5 pick in the draft, they don't want Albert Haynesworth, who was the DPOY in his contract year and was below replacement level otherwise.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
You cannot draft a guy in the fisrt round who has indifferent effort in college. Anyone who coasts in college is only going to coast a lot more when they become a millionaire.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^
If you look at the other times from the defensive line group that are in, what Clowney did is even more impressive. Here are some of the other 40 times from the DL group so far:
Kony Ealy (Missouri) - 4.84
Scott Chrichton (Oregon St.) - 4.78
Kasim Edebali (Boston College) - 4.69
James Gayle (Virginia Tech) - 4.60
Ra'Shede Hageman (Minnesota) - 4.97
DaQuan Jones (Penn State) - 5.28
Cassius Marsh (UCLA) - 4.89
February 24th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
overlays of gifs are astounding as he destroys Manziel and is almost as fast as Thomas from Oregon.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:24 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
Odd side point, but with the World Cup a bit down the road, there's no way we don't have world domination if the NFL didn't exist.
February 24th, 2014 at 9:29 PM ^
We're 'Merica we already dominate the world in things that matter.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 10:31 AM ^
It's even faster than Johnny Five can read "War and Peace."
February 24th, 2014 at 10:34 AM ^
but I hope someone would have told him when he it Vincent....
"Nooo disassemble"
February 24th, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^
February 24th, 2014 at 10:39 AM ^
No, he will not get drafted. Matt Millen has interest in him as a wide receiver if he gets another front office job, however.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^
As fast as a bear. Which from a previous thread is pretty freakin' fast.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^
Dri Archer of Kent State led the way with a 4.26.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:36 AM ^
maybe the guy pressing the buttons was just a bit to quick on the trigger, huh?
February 24th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^
I looked at the NFL's website, and it shows more guys with sub-4.4 times last year than this year. It only shows three guys with 4.4 times this year (compared to eleven last year). I could swear I saw more than that in just 30 minutes or so of watching the Combine yesterday, but maybe I was seeing hand times whereas the NFL site shows electronic times.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
most likely they were showing unofficial times on the screen. I was being somewhat sarcastic before, thinking that they'd be electronic times for the official tracking to make sure its correct. But I have to imagine its at the very least consistent.