OT: It looks like the statue is coming down today
As well it should.
This is the first step of many that Penn State must take voluntarily or public pressure will cause other sanctioning bodies to take it for them.
For anyone associated with PSU, this process is a bad dream that will replay itself for a long time to come as the criminal cases are tried/plea bargained and the civil suits resolved. Depending upon how deep the university is willing to go in terms of writing checks, this sordid tale could take a couple of years to run its course.
it took this long. If this was considered a "tough decision" then they are in for a very long rebuilding. I think the BOT should give themselves the death penalty without delay. This will give teams time to schedule other opponents, although this year might be too late.
I have said previously that if PSU football gets the death penalty, I will donate $100 to the PSU softball team.
ESPN just reported the statue is down and the NCAA will hand out "unprecedented penalties". Looks like the death penalty is coming.
I wouldn't be surprised if PSU made the decision awhile ago. They just wanted to wait for the kids to be distracted so they could grab it without having morons chaining themselves to it and the like. Plus likely had to bid the job out to a nonlocal crew to prevent leaks and all that.
Yup. PSU President Rodney Erickson issued a statement this morning
It doesn't deserve to be left up.
the statue away from its base as we speak. Only a few people around.
They're planning to take it down and "store it in a secure location". For what? Going to break it out for parties?
For the same reason we still have our bball final four banners...
Your powers of analogy are astounding. Hope you're proud!
Penn State president Rod Erickson said he decided to have the statue removed and put into storage because it "has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing." - from the article
That, right there. As long as it stood, it would be rather impossible for that campus to move forward, and it would have simply continued to serve as a reminder of what can happen when one person or program is allowed to become so large that basic humanity becomes secondary to the stated goal, which in the case of Penn State was "victory with honor". In the end, they failed to achieve that - quite miserably actually. To that end, the statue symbolizes something that was illusory and there is no point to its presence now.
Sorry for the dark humor, but it has a purpose. The PSU community needs to be deeply ashamed that it has been Pediophile State University for decades.
Wait, wait.... He took it down because it "has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing."?
These assholes still don't get it.
The reason the statue needs to come down is because Paterno covered for a child molester, not because it's a source of division and obstacle to healing.
The way the ESPN article read, it also sounds like this could be temporary, that the statue could be put back on display at some point. Also his name will remain on the library.
They really just don't get it.
Smart time to bring it down. Students sleeping. Staff not working.
and some justice has just been done. A very small part of justice but some just the same.
That's a tough call. Damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing.
It is more damned if you don't.
It would have always been a reminder of how Paterno failed to act.
They are starting to distance themselves from JoePa. This is a huge statement really. The symbolism is enormous. It's the right thing to do, but you know fans will protest, bitch and moan, and threaten to "boycott" Penn State games.
I know it's not much.
It's a somber day at Penn State. To hell with Penn State. This is a victory for all the victims. Many are still protecting the villains in this scandal. So sad for who? Not one tear should be shed today for Penn State, Joe Paterno and all the rest who covered up and supported the crimes. When is the media going to get it. I am elated for the victims who won a very small victory today. This lets them believe that their cause and their pain is being heard and that some damn athletic program is bigger or more important than they are.
Except he protected a child rapist.
How you came to that conclusion is beyond normal human decency.
did allow many more to be raped.
Yup. He only bought Jerry an ice cream truck. Solid truck though - ran without a hitch for 14 years until it finally died last November
Just like Joe did. Shame on you!
Let the record show that PSU has lived up to their reputaion in doing the absolute bare minimum.
They're keeping his name on the library, since after all you're supposed to keep your mouth shut in one.
So, when he does the right thing, he's not supposed to be remembered for that? I guess we should take Taubman's name off of all those buildings in Ann Arbor.
did alfred taubman assist pedophilia?
Statues of living people are weird to begin with. Too much hero worship is never a good thing.
"no coach is more important than the team". This is what happens when people don't pay attention.
1 = the number of times they needed to do the right thing to have prevented this.
I have a feeling they are "placing it in a secure location" so they can bring it back out at some point. They should destroy it right now. They are being cowardly by leaving themselves an out. Seems like they are hoping they can bring it back out in a few years when they think things have died down. Why else wouldnt you just destroy it? Also, they are keeping his name on the library, citing his significant financial contributions. That library was payed for with dirty money. They are only taking a half measure when a full measure is due. Storing the statue and continuing to honor Paterns legacy continues to show the country how out of touch and blind they are. The families of the victims and the Feds and the NCAA are not going to care that they took a statue and stuck it in a room somewhere. Actually, the NCAA might, just because I remain unconvinced they will do much of anything.
They still have the Paterno library, and I am certain have told alumnus that the statue will be back. I just can't fathom how their logic is working. They must be kicked out if the big ten. They will not sadly because of $.
What's a "secure location"? The Paterno's garage? There is no logical reason for this statue to still stand.
This is exactly why they should be slapped with the death penalty. Their indignation throughout this whole thing just proves that they don't get it. At this point, I don't care how the death penalty affects the university as a whole because they still seem to have their heads up their asses over there.
Less than a week ago, PSU said they wouldn't take it down out of fear of angering alumni. Wonder what finally made them come to their senses now.
Either way, this has still been embarrassing for the conference and I still want them out.
I would also wonder how the Paterno family is going to respond to this but they're probably too busy working with their investigator to debunk what they won't accept in the Freeh report.
I would assume that was a feint to prevent this from getting out of hand. The fact that it could get out of hand speaks to what still needs to happen there.
They're already releasing statements with the perspective you'd expect. That family is really a bunch of idiots. Their existance is to defend JoePa's legacy and only apologize to the kids when they feel politically forced to
From the Huffington Post:
"We believe the only way to help the victims is to uncover the full truth." - from the statement
You know, I read that and thought to myself, "If only someone had bothered to tell the truth years ago..." The entire statement really makes me think that this family has this particular image of Joe Paterno and they will not consider new information for years if ever. Interestingly, they do say that it is not the University's responsibility to defend or protect Joe Paterno, and in this they are correct - in a way, the removal of the statue is the beginning of a slow abdication of that responsibility.
Also PSU showing serious efforts to reduce the emphasis of their football program and allow victims to feel more comfortable when speaking out about being raped in PSU football facilities does help the victims.
even if it is only to satisfy themselves that it isn't the university piling on the dead guy.
Repeatedly coming out in public is nothing short of reprehensible, and I hope they don't get a pass just because they are in denial.
And it looks like NCAA is ready to rule on PSU. Link
But I work in media and a CBS news wire just came through indicating "unprecedented" penalties for penn state and that the source has "never seen anything like it".
Sounds like penn state is going to get hit HARD tomorrow morning by the NCAA.
Agreed. Either that or some financial deal to child abuse charities. Let the speculation commence.
"The saint in black cleats sold his soul, and Satan leads the dance." -- Maureen Dowd, New York Times 7/21/12
This is my idea but I'm not skilled enough to make this. I know this is in poor taste but it would be pretty funny.
Make a Gif of them pulling down the statue of Saddam Hussein, but shop Jo Pa's face onto the statue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw
and two or more of them are bad.
this a.m., the conference call that took place between trustees was all about forestalling action by the NCAA, and whether taking the statue down was a step that might ameliorate forthcoming sanctions. Much as I think that the statue needed to come down, I agree with those saying this looks more like desperate reaction by a school anxious to stop the bleeding than part of any careful, concerted effort.
EDIT: Maybe BILG (just up above me with the long, thoughtful comment) is right: the sooner the U starts to face up to reality the better, and this is a strong symbolic first step.
Anyone know what Bo's record was against Patterno? Link would be great if you have one, googled for awhile and couldn't find it.
I don't think the teams met until the 93 season, could be wrong though.
1993 was the first meeting between the schools. That was also PSU's 1,000th game, which we spoiled.
(We fortunately played our own 1,000th game against Minnesota in '92, a comfortable 50-point win.)
Pittsburgh article discusses Bo's complaints about PSU being admitted into the conference. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19891228&id=wtNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZW4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=1616,8885275
Thanks for the link. I especially liked another story on the page following the story you mention, about McMurtry where he discusses why he decided to go to Michigan over some of the more pass-happy schools.
Guh the people they interviewed on ESPN and BTN are really not helping. The lack of perspective is just sickening.
Also I've never agreed with Howard Griffith more. Spot on by him.
"In the state of PA, you are required to request a utility markout prior digging below ground.The removal of the statue required a markout request because they used jackhammers to dig below ground.
The purpose of the markout request is to know the locations of underground utilities before digging so that you are less likely to inadvertently damage them, which may compromise public safety. The utility locations are marked on the ground with spray paint by each utility company prior to digging. The request must sent 3 business days (not including weekends) in advance of digging to allow utility companies time to respond. Thus, the request would have needed to be sent in by last Tuesday at the latest. The markout request must state the purpose and location (i.e. Paterno statue removal at Beaver Stadium)
I’m guessing they didn’t send in the markout request. If they did, word of the statue removal would have probably gotten out before the statue was removed. You also might have seen spray painted marks on the ground in the general vicinity of the statue representing underground utility locations. The photos I’ve seen don’t indicate any such marks.
Below is an explanation of the law…
I know this may seem like a minor technicality some people, but I think its ironic given the supposed new direction of transparency and law abiding."
It's a pity he didn't read further into this, because it is an even thinner straw than this guy at BSD realizes. This law is basically the same as "Miss Dig" here in Michigan, and I have to guess that PSU owns much of its internal infrastructure as the University Of Michigan does. The FAQ for Pennsylvania's law says - as ours does here - that private utilities will not be marked and are the responsibility of the utility owner. Being that they put barriers all over the place, if they did mark their own equipment or if the base was free-standing and did not require earth to be broken will undoubtedly spark furious debate among the PSU faithful at BSD for days.
I think you underplay the threat of some company sneaking in late at night and burying fiber or some trunk line for phone system directly under a 900 pound statue. Plus it's right next to a massive stadium that draws (or is that drew) crowds in excess of 100k. When I look for accessible places to bury infrastructure, I always look for those two things.
BSD's commentators are so petulant it just makes me want the NCAA to drop that much larger of a nuke.
The last few times they tried firing a popgun the recoil nearly snapped all their necks.
So many people over there have proven themselves to be total idiots the past few weeks. If they can't dig underground, they should just take a wrecking ball and take off the upper half of his body.
Amazing how a community can continue to miss the point so consistently and enthusiastically.
Ask an Ohyoan about Tressel sometime.
Jesus if the BSD moderators had a shred of dignity left they'd delete crap like this. Embarrassing. Please god, never let my own shock over losing a hero ever make me this pathetically delusional.
That institution is part of the B10.
and mint commemorative medallions with proceeds going to the victims and child support/advocacy groups."Storing" the statue sounds like the thing is coming back some day.
I think they should leave the blank wall up with a small plaque about what happened and the dangers of allowing athletics to overcome the needs of people. That would be JoePa's true legacy and recognizing it in a similar fashion would be a big step for Penn State.
Given the circumstances surrounding Penn State and considering some of the other issues that have popped up as of late throughout the NCAA, does anyone else get the feeling we may be hearing of other violations/cover-ups over the next year or two?