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OT: Iron Man 3 new Trailer is out

Upstaged in a good way by Devin Gardner, but since we're in the "off-season" big summer movies are fair game now, so without further ado:

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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March 5th, 2013 at 5:58 PM | I understand this type of (Score:-1 Normal)
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I understand this type of post and have no problems with random topics when the board is dead.

But damn, probably the best news Michigan football will receive all off-season just occured approximately 15 minutes ago.  Iron Man can wait until we calm down, dontcha think?

The swag is back. 

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:11 PM | Did this post make you unable to see (Score:5 Normal)
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Either the front page or board post? Or prevent you from reading or commenting in those threads? No. Your need to post everywhere lately on what's "fitting" for the site is the only thing wasting your time and pulling you away from it.

I was writing it as the news broke. No one is going to open the website and miss the front page headline and not get the news (and it's hardly news that needs multiple threads discussing it, so what's already on the site will do the job). Other than this the hottest topics of the day are all Meta. Lighten up, Francis.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:19 PM | My "need to post everywhere (Score:-1 Overrated)
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My "need to post everywhere lately on what's 'fitting' for the site"?  Links please?  I count one post outside of this one (in regards to the Fab 5 documentary)in 2 months where I voiced my opinion that a post was unwarranted. 

So yeah, there is your story and then there is the truth. 

 

The swag is back. 

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:35 PM | See, no one is making you post here (Score:5 Normal)
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Rather than the Gardner threads. I mean, if you're not getting enough "happy joy" animated gifs it's your own fault (because that's the kind of discussion you're missing). But since you ask 4 posts before this you've been giving your 2 cents on policing the boards with this:

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/moderator-action-sticky-1#comment-1954917

And just earlier today (not two months ago) this:

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-you-have-no-shot-kate-upton#comment-1954779

That's the truth. And not truth, but opinion- someone who starts up an old flame war on Rich Rod probably shouldn't be the guy judging what's fitting or not for the boards.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/devin-gardner-granted-medical-redshirt#comme...

But hey, flamebaiting Rich Rod is such great discussion on "Michigan Football's biggest day of the off-season" have at it. Just don't act like a moral authority when that's what you're bringing instead.

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:56 PM | You sir, are an idiot.  It's (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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You sir, are an idiot.  It's official.  The mod-action sticky is intended explicitly for board-worthiness discussion.  The comment in the torpedoed Kate Upton thread was a question to see if I were in the minority or if others agreed.  And, finally, the RR discussion in the Gardner thread is unavoidable - he was responsible for using Gardner in 2010 in the first place, leading to the uncertainty. 

So yeah, how many times did I suggest caving threads again?  That's what I thought. 

 

The swag is back. 

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:11 PM | Where did I say you were suggesting threads be caved? (Score:5 Normal)
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I just said you can't help comment on what is "worthy" on the boards. The funny part being that the Gardner threads you promote as being so important are the exact home for the kind of Upton gifs you decry.

And Rich Rod was only unavoidable because you brought it up. No one else did in two threads. Because our coach of three years ago shouldn't overshadow Gardner's good news. But much like you can't stop yourself from reading and posting here, you couldn't stop yourself from throwing out some flamebait and then act all shocked when someone bites. That kind of stuff distracts from the news far more than an OT post and is truly idiotic.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:13 PM | i feel for you man... (Score:3 Normal)
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this is exactly why I just don't post or respond on the board anymore...well, except for this post talking about how I don't post here any more....

/i - does that work for implied irony the same way /s does for sarcasm?

BTW - thanks for the trailer, much enjoyed

 

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:12 PM | this trailer was legit (Score:0)
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the rest was not

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March 6th, 2013 at 10:13 AM | Ditto (Score:4 Normal)
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I am with ya. Been reading here since 2008. 

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March 6th, 2013 at 9:57 AM | Thanks for a great post. (Score:2 Normal)
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I think "Butterfield" is becoming a walking advertisement of why the old posbang/negbang system should be reinstated.  I don't always understand some of the negging that goes on, but when someone with Butterfield's body of work attacks someone with M-Wolverine's body of work, it's definitely neg-worthy.  

Anyway, thanks for the trailer; I was thoroughly entertained.  I know this sounds a bit simplistic, but if I didn't want to click, I simply would have looked at the "OT" and moved on.  Instead, there seems to be a small element here that wants to turn every OT post into a meta referendum on OT posts.  

Maybe there should be a meta referendum sticky post for the people who whine about OT using bandwidth on things that are irrelevant, when their whining is doing exactly what they are whining about: using bandwidth on things that are irrelevant.

 

 

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 11:04 PM | I loved this topic (Score:4 Normal)
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yes it's OT but thats what the OT flag is for.  Great share!  And for the record out of all the threads on the board, this is the one I came to first this evening, so some of us here do like this sort of thing. if you don't like it, don't click it.

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March 6th, 2013 at 1:58 PM | To mtzlblk on down - thanks. (Score:2)
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I don't expect every thread to be a 900 post open game epic. Some are just for fun. And if the post got more positive votes than negative enough people were interested than not. It's the off season, and the site skews a little "geek", and this is one of the biggest movies of the summer. As I'm getting the links and typing it up, I hear on the radio about Devin. After "Yay!" I think "boy, this thread is dead in the water now" but not "man, now no one is going to read about Devin if I post this."  For those who weren't aware, just some fun info to kill time between Devin and the inevitable open thread that was coming for OSU/Indiana.

So you don't have to post. I post it for you because I figure there are enough people around here who enjoy it.  Obviously I have no problem taking the hits so you don't have to. 

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:46 PM | Yay, reasonable discussion! (Score:5 Normal)
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Yay, reasonable discussion!

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:21 PM | i was going to moderate your comment (Score:5 Normal)
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but there was no "haters gonna hate" option

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:04 PM | What is this? (Score:5 Normal)
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I am so confused. I came here for the Gardner news.

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March 5th, 2013 at 8:45 PM | damnit, I came here for the (Score:3 Normal)
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damnit, I came here for the posbang, I knew I mixed it up again...

Blue is Faster

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:10 PM | Well (Score:1 Normal)
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Iron Man 1: Fucking awesome

Iron man 2: dissapointing

Iron Man 3: ???? We shal see....

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:16 PM | Yeah, my general response to (Score:5 Normal)
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Yeah, my general response to Iron Man 2 was the same.

Michigan Football, Michigan Basketball...RIT Hockey

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:22 PM | My response to a Hercules (Score:2)
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My response to a Hercules post: +1 normal to you sir. (Except I'm on my phone so not really)

"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.

-Craig Roh 10/29/2011

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:02 PM | I haven't seen such gratuitous use of punctuation (Score:0 Flamebait)
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since DameFan was relevant.

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:12 PM | Isn't there a "Profit" in (Score:1 Offtopic)
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Isn't there a "Profit" in there somewhere?

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:12 PM | Quite the day. Iron Man 3 (Score:5 Normal)
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Quite the day. Iron Man 3 trailer drops, Gardner gets his redshirt, Chavez dies, the Dow Jones breaks records. It's been a busy day on Twitter, that's for sure.

Michigan Football, Michigan Basketball...RIT Hockey

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:14 PM | I'm curious to see how (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm curious to see how they'll use the Mandarin's rings of power. The Iron Man series has been more like the Dark Knight series of more realistic bad guys, so it'll be interesting to see how they do that with the Mandarin. Looks great though, and rumors of an Ant-Man introduction in the post credits, so I'm excited.

Blank.....Blank......You're not looking at the big picture here.

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:37 PM | Yeah, I don't think they're going to be magic dragon rings. (Score:2)
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But I hope they do SOMETHING.

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:56 PM | Crashed Alien Tech (Score:3 Interesting)
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That's what I'm reading. They say that they won't cross over with The Avengers at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up being a piece of left over tech from the Chiutauri. Did anyone see the Item 47 short on the Avengers blu-ray? I'd love to see them do something more than a one shot with that.

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March 6th, 2013 at 11:53 AM | the rings are alien tech, if (Score:2)
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the rings are alien tech, if you read the dragon seed saga http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5150075-iron-man they explain the rings how they are some control system for an alien ship that give you powers somehow. This is like one of 2 iron man stories ive read, came in a random trade bundle that was on super sale i saw on reddit a few months back and the fact that its relevant now amazes me.

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March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 PM | That's how it is in the comics. (Score:2)
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What we're trying to figure out is how they translate that into the movies, particular an Iron Man movie that other than being in the Avengers has tried to be a bit more reality based than the others.

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March 5th, 2013 at 10:00 PM | No Ant Man, hasn't been cast yet (Score:4 Normal)
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I've recently heard different on the post credit scene. Read on for a maybe, possible spoiler.....................Tony receives an SOS signal from space by someone named Star Lord. He dons a new space armor and takes off. That's it. The SOS will be explained in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Tony will meet the Guardians in their movie's post credit scene. There they will explain that the SOS was a warning that Thanos is headed towards Earth. That sets up Avengers 2.

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March 5th, 2013 at 11:01 PM | It appears you're pretty much (Score:3 Normal)
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It appears you're pretty much dead on, I was going on 8 month old rumors of Ant-Man but more digging had this pop up just 5 days ago, so kudos to you sir.

(POSSIBLE SPOILER, CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK)
http://moviepilot.com/stories/882225-iron-man-3-post-credit-scene-details-circulating-if-you-believe-them

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March 6th, 2013 at 2:02 PM | Now that's an awesome rumor! (Score:2)
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Because it really falls into an area of plausibility. And it makes sense because the comics are trying to ape that, in advance, presently.

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:27 PM | Adidas? (Score:2)
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Did Adidas design the new Iron Man uniform?  Personally, I have to say the traditional deep red with gold trim is far superior to what seems to be the new, snazzier version in the clips.

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March 6th, 2013 at 11:16 AM | lol (Score:2)
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I had the same thought...I am hoping at least War Machine's red/white/blue will be authentic and look off like Addidas's neon "Maize".

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:36 PM | Just can't get into Iron Man. (Score:4 Normal)
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Just can't get into Iron Man. And I love comics and superheroes. But Iron Man is just not entertaining to me. I think the movies are incredibly overhyped, but maybe that's just me. 

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:44 PM | No "maybe" about it... (Score:2 Normal)
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it's just you!

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:39 PM | I should have just responded (Score:2)
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I should have just responded to this post here, but alas I didn't read it. I completely agree on the Tony Stark/Iron Man character, he's just not that intriguing to me. His villans were always kind of meh as well aside from M.O.D.O.K, I mean who doesn't like him? In general I agree with you that he's just kind of a blah character but the movies are very well done, and really turned around the way Marvel movies are made.

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March 5th, 2013 at 6:52 PM | Maybe I'm weird but I am not (Score:5 Normal)
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Maybe I'm weird but I am not a big fan of these comic book movies.  I mean, I was when I was 17.  But all the gratuitous special effects/action sequences have just become redundant and worn out.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:32 PM | Yep, but I still go see them. (Score:3 Normal)
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Yep, but I still go see them.

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:30 PM |   I'm starting to feel that (Score:1 Overrated)
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I'm starting to feel that now. I still like superhero movies, but I'm getting kind of fatigued with origin stories and the occasional over reliance on CGI. I understand that some shit literally cannot be pulled off, but... I mean, watching the semi get flipped in The Dark Knight just blew my mind but then you see the Iron Man vs Thor fight in Avengers and it's like, the only thing that was real was my disappointment...

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:06 PM | ... (Score:5 Normal)
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Plot twist Devin Gardner is Iron Man.

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:11 PM | what up with the aliens and stuff (Score:2)
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The post-trailer teaser after Avengers showed the aliens talking about Earth being the place of death and all (oops sorry if you haven't seen it yet) (and, um, why haven't you seen the Avengers yet?), in the context of IM3.  But... I don't see any aliens in the trailer.  Did they change their minds?  Was the teaser just like Tina from my sophomore year in HS -- a total tease and nothing more?  Or was that not for IM3 but another one of the movies?

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:14 PM | It was more a teaser for another Avengers movie. (Score:3 Normal)
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Or maybe the Guardians of the Galaxy one. Or both.

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March 5th, 2013 at 7:19 PM | The Thanos teaser was for (Score:5 Normal)
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The Thanos teaser was for both movies, he's already been confirmed as an antagonist for Guardians of the the Galaxy, and the Avengers 2.

http://screenrant.com/avengers-2-guardians-galaxy-thanos-villains/all/1/

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:04 PM | Two words (Score:1)
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Two Words: Iron Legion. I am PUMPED.

 

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:08 PM | avengers (Score:1)
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just wait till after avengers 2...if anyone has read planet hulk and world war hulk then u will know what avengers 3 will be about...and that will be awesome

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March 6th, 2013 at 2:04 PM | Those rumors were out there... (Score:2)
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But Joss Whedon has kinda just debunked them-

http://www.blastr.com/2013-3-5/joss-whedon-weighs-those-avengers-2-plane...

But he does say he's looking for Avengers 2 to be more Godfather 2 or Empire Strikes Back than 'name your random superhero 2 sequel.'

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March 5th, 2013 at 9:33 PM | A question for fellow comic (Score:2)
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A question for fellow comic nerds. Did any of you actually read any of the Iron Man series prior to the movies? He always seemed like such an uninteresting character apart from any of the Avengers plotlines, I could never get into them the way I could for the X-Men or Spiderman. The movies really seem to show that he's a much more important character to the Marvel Universe than I'd ever realized before the films.

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March 6th, 2013 at 11:57 AM | Nope (Score:2)
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Never read Iron Man.I never read the Avengers comics either. To me they were too goody two shoes. Kinda corporate super heroes with their switchboard operators and adulation. The only thing I read that they were in was the Secret Wars series. The only comic that i read then was X-Men. I liked the whole dark ousider thing they had. Oddly though I'm not a fan of the X-Men movies except for First Class. Characters were either underutilized or didn't act like the comics. Fox really messed the franchise up. They should have used stories from the comic's classic era. Then while I didn't read Avengers comics I love the Marvel Studio movies for Avengers, Iron Man ,etc. They took great care tying the solo movies together and building up to Avengers. It was refreshing in an era of churning crap out to get a quick buck.

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March 6th, 2013 at 2:15 PM | I'm on the other side...I was always more Avengers than X-Men (Score:2)
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I mean, as a kid Spidey was king (insert Spiderman tv show theme here). And loved the Hulk, in comics and tv. But I didn't really get into the X-Men until later. Though my early exposure to the Avengers was the Marvel Super Heroes tv show taken right from the comics...literally...and X-Men probably not till the role playing game came out, and they looked weird. But they had this guy with a really cool name....Wolverine....and for awhile he was the only one I really liked (Nightcrawler too. Cyclops is a dick).  I mean, when I started, Beast was an Avenger.  And when that cartoon had Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Sub-Mariner they were cool.

And while in Marvel Iron Man was never first string with me with Spidey, Hulk, Cap, and even later guys like the Punisher, I always liked him. He is/was actually my brother's favorite, so some bias leaked over I'm sure. He was James Bond as a superhero. Cool, got the ladies, had the money.  And he had some of the best regular continuity story arcs that came AFTER the early Lee-Kirby days.  A lot of titles suffered through the 70's and 80's...Iron Man got better. 

Since the movie became popular he's become less of a B lister and more of a Marvel A- lister, but the first movie may be the most perfect comic book movie too. It may not be as good a film as a Dark Knight, but to represent comics on the big screen, fun and all, you can't do too much better. (Though Avengers was the little kid in me coming back out again....wow, all these characters, on the big screen, TOGETHER).  And mostly because they have Robert Downey Jr. What Marvel has done is adapt things for the big screen, but really do a GREAT job casting. That's not true for all the other movies. I even doubted them when they cast Chris Evans as Cap, and then the movie amazed me with all the heart it had in it.  Everyone has a blunder eventually. No one bats a thousand. Even Pixar did Cars 2. But till they completely screw one up, I'm with them.

But then what do I know, my favorite character is Dr. Doom.

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March 6th, 2013 at 2:36 PM | I completely agree that Iron (Score:2)
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I completely agree that Iron Man really started Marvel on a path to good films, you could argue before it came out that Marvel really only had a good showing with X2 and possibly the first X-Men.

Obviously this is really only going to be just opinions clashing but I think the X-Men comics were the perfection of the comic book world. They had vast collection of interesting main (Wolverine/Iceman/Nightcrawler) characters and plenty of even more intriguing secondary characters(Bishop/Cable/Sunspot) and probably the best collection of villains (Magneto/Apocalypse/Bastion/Mr Sinister/The Government). I really don't think anything comes close to what Kirby and Lee accomplished as to when they created the X-Men.

You weren't the only one leery of Chris Evans being cast as Cap, after seeing him as the Human Torch and basically every other role he's been in it was hard to imagine him as the ever vigil Captain, but he pulled it off very well. Assuming you like the F4 because Doom is your favorite character but, do you think they'll reboot that series at some point ala the Amazing Spiderman? Because those F4 were the epitome of terrible Marvel movies, and Galactus as a giant cloud.....SMH. Anyways it's nice to some other comic nerds as well.

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March 6th, 2013 at 3:29 PM | I concur about X-Men being perfection for a time (Score:2)
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I think the Chris Clairmont written era of X-Men wa the most popular any era of any comic has ever been. From the mid 70's to the mid 80's. They dwarfed the Avengers. That's why it disappointed me so much that they messed up the movies. They should have been bigger than the Avengers movie. They were popular to a degree but the Avengers was a phenomenom(and rightfully so). Here's what i would have done. Make the First class 60's era movie first. Then do the modern day era trilogy. With the first of those they could use artistic license to bring the new team together because the whole mutantt island thing in the comics has too many people. I would have Magneto and the Brotherhood about to do something big and Xavier only has Cyclops and Phoenix. So they recruit the classic era linup(Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Ariel, and Rogue). They come together as a team and beat The Brotherhood. At the end you see Phoenix start to get a little unstable. In the second movie you use the storyline where they fight the Hellfire Club lead by Sebastan Shaw. They win but as in the comic the Club unwittingly unleashes Dark Phoenix. Then in the 3rd one it is the storyline of the fight for Phoenix. Phoenix is destroying civilizationns across the universe. All the races unite and send their best warriors to unite and kill her. The X-Men are protective and stand up  to them. It's decided that the 2 teams will be dropped on a moon to fight. The winner decides her fate. The X-Men actually lose and Phoenix kills herself because she knows she can't  control the power anymore. A dark ending which I loved. Then if there's a demand for a fourth I guess you can go on. Maybe the Days of Future Past story which they're making now. But I do the Dark Phoenix saga to start off. But Fox messed it up IMO.

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