I was at the USA-Mexico game at Ford Field this summer. It was a fun atmosphere and I think Detroit would be a great place for MLS soccer.
OT: Insane "New" Silverdome plans
I also believe detroit opening up a mls team would be wonderful. I played 4 years in high school and love the sport. Now with economy in detroit, idk if they will profit, but i would definetly come up there for a detroit mls gm. Soony saad and kansas city at Detroit motors :) would love see that
being built in Detroit. Who's going to pay for it? And who will attend the games on a regular basis?
I have no idea who is going to pay for it since it seems expensive. According to the article the real estate group was able to purchase it for only $583,000 back in 09.
That was my question about the soccer fan base in Detroit. It seems like some people think that Detroit can support an MLS team.
The owners of the Silverdome are an uber rich Greek family that want nothing more than to own a professional soccer team so this could actually happen. The biggest obstacle at the moment is getting the go ahead from MLS because next year Montreal is getting a team and they plan to add a 20th team the following season but the commissioner of MLS is determined to put a second team in the New York area so it will be tough for Detroit to win the expansion bid.
with Don. I dont think that MLS has a chance here. The Shock couldnt make it and moved within months of winning a championship.
I would like MLS to succeed. This would help push for a light rail system along Woodward. Then out east along Gratiot and then west along Grand River, and then southwest along Michigan Ave.
How cool would that be?
The only reason the Silverdome is still around is because it costs too much to blow up.
I believe the city of Pontiac is still paying for it, as well.
but that looks...AWESOME.
Looks expensive. They should just sell the naming rights and use the cash to do a full renovation a la the Mercedes Benz Superdome. No point in doing anything too extravagant with three different venues. The Palace and DTE are nearby and are great venues.
You make a good point that it looks expensive. The only problem now is that the Silverdome is just too big for a soccer stadium. If this was in Europe I'm sure that you can fill the Silverdome to capacity, but I can't see it happening in the US right now.
The reason to make it a 30,000 capacity stadium is a great idea. Having 5,000 empty seats is better than having 50,000 empty seats.
I would love to have a Detroit MLS team, I remember going to Neon games way back in the day. However, I dont know if open-air is the best idea, that really limits the time it can be used...
That shouldn't be a problem, given that the MLS season is during the spring/summer. If it were during the traditional European calendar, that'd be another story.
I think outdoor is the way to go. People put up with long, crappy winters here. When it's nice out, we don't want to be cooped up inside.
the sport of the future ....and always will be.
No seriously the plans look great. But I can't imagine selling enough tickets for a reasonable ROI. I haven't been in Pontiac in a long while - hasn't that area really gone down hill? A bit ironic that downtown Detroit is now nicer and a better location for a sports franchise than Pontiac.
How are you defining "area"? Pontiac proper has been poor for a long time, but Oakland County in general is very nice.
The city area isn't a big deal. it's five minutes away from where the Pistons play. Soccer is actually pretty big in Oakland County so it could work
It just so happens that I called the Silverdome yesterday to inquire about renting the field for a high school football practice in preparation of next week's Prep Bowl. I almost hyperventilated when I was told the rental fee is $500/hour....and that was during daylight hours. If I needed the lights turned on, it was more. For comparison sake, the golf dome down Opdyke rents for $75/hour.
I LOVE it!
the price drops a bit? The concert venues look kind of crappy, though since it would seem to have the feel of a basement.
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'Detroit Rock City' would the perfect name for their MLS team.
An MLS team would not last in Detroit.....the first few games/season would be fun, but once it lost it's lustre, the team would be dead.
Detroit's sporting events plate is full enough with the Red Wings, Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Michigan & MSU...there really is not enough wealth or interest to go around.
Additionally, I do not believe the interest in soccer in Southeastern Michigan is strong. Sure, Blackfinn was packed for USA-England, but the every four year world cup craze would never last on an annual basis here. When you take out the soccer playing kids attending the MLS game with their Parks & Rec team, the rare adult soccer enthusiast, and the small percentage of international people here, you don't have much left - Detroit is a blue collar/meat & potatoes town, and soccer is decidedly not that.
I personally think an MLS team would fail in Detroit - I'd keep the Silverdome Soccer events at a once every year thing.
Are you saying that there aren't enough hipsters in Detroit to support an MLS team?
Plenty of international people in oakland county last time I checked
If they're anything like my family, they don't watch MLS. They just pay for the international channels and watch foreign leagues (not necessairly Euro either) and various tournies.
Detroit is a blue collar/meat & potatoes town, and soccer is decidedly not that.
Sorry, why isn't soccer blue collar/meat & potatoes? It's a more physical sport than basketball and baseball, so you can't use that excuse.
Those two sports are American. Soccer is for hipsters and euro pussies.
Soccer is more physical than a lot of people give it credit for, but I don't know about it being more physical than basketball. Certainly not compared to the post positions.
I can't recall any b-ball players being taken out with a slide tackle.
Defending a guy like Dwight Howard in the post for 40 minutes will beat the crap out of you. Big men go through a ton of contact every possession, very little of which is seen by the referees. It's roughly akin to what soccer players go through on a free kick, but it's all game.
What "apples/oranges"? It seems to me you're only counting post play as "physical." There's less of that in soccer, but there are slide tackles, hard fouls (which got taken out of the NBA), people missing the ball and kicking shins and ankles, going up for a head ball and colliding heads or catching an elbow. Is that not physical?
You're getting too worked up about this. I've played both sports. I agree that soccer is more physical than American fans give it credit for, but I wouldn't say it's more physical than basketball. They are each physical in their own way. I certainly don't agree that hard fouls have been eliminated from the NBA. Watch a game and see how many people take an awkward spill onto the hardwood (which can hurt like hell - there's no "give" like on grass).
I'm not worked up. And as far as hard fouls go, compared to the Bad Boys era, yes, they have been taken out of the game. "No easy baskets" and "make 'em earn it at the line" used to mean something.
It only conflicts with the Tigers schedule-wise.
Detroit has never sustained support for a non-big-4 sports team. I'm skeptical.
Well from the picture in the first link it looks like the seats on the bottom areas go right up to the ceiling or close to it. From my little knowledge, to have a free span area like the two bottom ones, with an extremly heavy roof (the soccer field) you would need a really deep joist spanning across the top to hold up the soccer field. This joist could be nearly 25 or more feet deep and could impact seating. A Bar/Girder Joist that large would be extremly costly. I don't know any other ideas of how to hold up the soccer field without columns though. I am just a soph in construction management though so like I said I don't have much knowledge of the whole thing :) just my two cents.
It looks awesome, but I have doubts that the current economy in SE Michigan would support such a venue enough to make it consistently profitable.
However, if they offer to gut the inside and build another Hadron collider....
We have a soccer team here in Utah. The reason it is successful: we have the Jazz and nothing else. I'm very skeptical of a city that already has 4 professional sports teams trying to get another.
I know how my demented mind works, when I saw the title, I was thinking "Strip Club".....
They will make a small fortune. Of course, they will have to spend a large one.
For those who haven't been following MLS expansion...
MLS is sitting at 19 teams with the inclusion of Montreal in 2012. The 20th team is all but locked up for New York City (Yes, NY already has a franchise, but they are adamant about adding a second in Queens).
After 20, it looks like Garber (MLS commish) is content to hold firm for a while.
Doesn't look like this will come to fruition anytime in the near future. Believe me, this will not move beyond a blueprint unless an MLS franchise is signed, sealed, and delivered to the Detroit-metro area. That could be a while.
That idea looks really cool, but I have to imagine tearing the whole place down and building a 30k seat soccer stadium would be cheaper. Hell, tearing it down and building the proposed design from scratch would probably cost the same, and turn out nicer.
They should just give the Silverdome to Barry Sanders and let him do what he wants with it.
But I would dig an MLS team. Don't know if it'll happen though. I'd wait 10 years to see if soccer continues to pick up in popularity.
I've been living in Houston for the past 5 years, and I'd guess this is about as likely to happen as the Astrodome renovations that pop up every 6 months or so. In the past few years the astrodome was going to be turned into a convention center, or a motel, or a movie studio.
I just want to hear our team name. Are we Detroit Panthers? Detroit FBC? Who am I cheering for?
And call the Silverdome, the "Chrome Dome." Connects with the auto industry - I can even envision an Old English D (obviously not one of the Tigers' versions) inside a hood-ornament looking device as a logo. Heck if that hood ornament had wings, you'd pretty much connect the team with every other major sporst team in Detroit - chrome is a bit like the Lions' silver, the old-english D would be a bit like the Tigers, the wings would be a bit like the Wings, and the name and logo connecting to the auto industry would be a bit like the Pistons.
I like it...
I'm not sure about the sensus fidei (sense of the faith) of the soccer/sports fans in metro Detroit, but myself and some other friends of mine have been hoping for a team for quite a while. I think the soccer excitement that has picked up here surrounding the World Cup has lit a little fire in many people in this country. If a team did come to the Silverdome, it'd be pretty cool if it turned out to be as lively as the fans make it out on the west coast (Seattle, Portland, LA).
This would be very neat as a concept and for Detroit, but something tells me Orlando might be next as there isn't anything near FLA for MLS and they have a good 2 ND level team now.
Detroit could be a soccer town I think. I'll admit it's a longshot, but consider that Detroit is a huge metropolitan area - despite the hollowing out of the city, there are still 4 million people in Wayne, Oakland and McComb. Additionally, there actually is a large international presence in Detroit - I've felt like it's one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Midwest, behind only Chicago. "Mexicantown" isn't populated by WASPs, and Detroit does have a significant population of 1st generation Eastern European immigrants. Add in the fact there is a large arts community in the city - I imagine these guys would fit the "hipster" bill posited above - that Detroit is an incredible sports town, and has a large number of Fortune 500 companies, and I could see a 30k seat soccer stadium turning a profit.
As for building this...as the links say, the cost would be "astronomical." Turning it into a two-story facility would mean you'd need to beef up the footings - which essentially means you'd have to tear it down, rip out the old concrete, and pour new footings and foundation. As said above, you may as well do it from scratch. You pretty much are anyway.
Seems like there's always a plan to bring an MLS team to Detroit, but never any actual interest. ~2003ish there was a push to try to bring MLS to Tiger Stadium.
I'll believe it when I see it. Though if it does happen, Goose and Drago HAVE to be involved, right?
after you see what they are doing in Moscow for the 2018 World Cup. If one particular stadium actually gets built as planned, it would set a good precedent for this Silverdome concept.
In the proposed configuration the Express and the Pistons could play there at the same time. There might even be a Kelly Tripucka sighting.
I remember when Trevor Frances came over from England and played for the Detroit Express in '78 and '79. In '78 the Express made it two rounds into the playoffs. The Express had a fairly large fan base...but England stop letting their star players come over to play and the Express missed the playoffs in '80. I think they became an indoor soccer team for a while but flopped!
I enjoyed the Express in the old NASL. It would nice to have a MLS team in Detroit. If Kansas City can have a team named sporting, I think Detroit could support a team.
Let's face it,most people hate soccer ...
No way will MLS work in Detroit right now. When the Rockers and Neon (later Safari) were in town, they were essentially giving tickets away and people didn't go. Oakland County would be able to support the team financially, but people are not really interested in soccer right now. In 5-10 years support wil be different. Competing with the Wings, Tigers, Pistons, Lions, Wolverines and Spartans will not work until every single one of these teams starts sucking. Successful MLS programs/markets often do not compete with other professional sports (e.g. Kansas City and Seattle).
Soccer on the top level...then basketball or hockey...AND an amphitheater on the bottom?
Sounds awesome. Doubt it happens, but I would love for it to take place.
You're not going to get a D1 game, and soccer fields are wider than football fields...but if you had the markings...why not get a Detroit Catholic Central vs. Orchard Lake St. Mary there up top?