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OT: I'm having dinner with Jim Tressel - What should I ask him?
with Kate Upton, that is all
I'll be ready
I doubt he'll say anything to you
What does he feel are the critical differences between OSU and Michigan that he would consider an advantage when recruiting a state of Michigan player?
I'd be interested in the reverse of this too, the differences that are advantages for Michigan when recruiting a state of Ohio player.
I LOL at the fact that it sounds completely unprofessional, and I LOL at how awkward this sounds, and I LOL at the insinuation that he'd want to talk about at all with a random guy.
If it were me (which is my way of saying I have no idea if this is the "right" or "wrong" way to go about it, only my opinion of what I would do) I would avoid bringing up OSU all together. Ask him how he's doing at Akron, what he thought of his work for the Colts, basically anything but OSU. The best revenge is living well, and further by asking him about his life since then you are subtly reminding him he isn't as OSU anymore.
Again, thats just me. I don't figure he's going to say "Oh yeah, I had my brother handing out wads of cash like it was lunch" and "yeah, we circumvented every rule we could"...I mean, unless you go all Jack Burns and inject him with sodium pentathol in the bathroom.
I like the way you initially come across classy, as if you are just suggesting a civil conversation with another human being who happened to coach at a rival school, but then it turns out the entire line of conversation is a passive-aggressive attempt to undermine him.
It's the classy ones you need to watch out for. They're the quickest to throw you under the bus.
"Who's a bigger scumbag, you or Urban Meyer?"
I would just see if he'd be up for telling you some good (i.e., positive) stories about Lloyd Carr or Rich Rodriguez or other Michigan stuff. You might ask him what he thinks of what Meyer has brought to OSU, too...There's no way he'll talk about "tat-gate" or anything like that, and I don't think it would be fair to put him on the spot about it. He's been punished plenty.
Full disclosure: Tressel helped a kid I know get a football scholarship (not to OSU). My opinion of him - and my respect for him - is considerably higher than that of the average Mgoblogger.
Well I'm anything but an AVERAGE MGoblogger Eric so I know that wasnt directed at me. Seriously though I 100% agree about Tressel. As I said in the OP, I've met him twice and found him to be very charming and friendly - even to a MIchigan guy like me.
I was actually talking to him more about if he felt he got a fair shake from OSU or if he thought he was made a fall guy for others.
I wasn't saying that you were the average Mgoblogger. I know better than that. I was just anticipating attacks from others for defending Tressel.
I still don't know if I'd ask him if he thinks he got a fair shake, but I don't think that's a terrible idea either. He might give you a little smile and then say something basically non-responsive.
Maybe just ask him about the NCAA and whether he thinks the organizations policies are the best for student athletes. Focus on trying to maneuver through the administrative bs entailed by the organization and if he thinks there are ways the NCAA can be better serving student athletes. You could reference our trouble with reporting and maintaining proper practice hours and cite how ridiculous countable hours are (see Bacon noting how many countable hours the hockey team gets for it's trip to Alaska). Maybe just ask about how tough it is to be serving so many interests (NCAA, osu, state of Ohio, fans, recruits, parents etc.) while tryin to coach and look out for the players best interests.
you, I would ask about recruiting battles with Michigan and about any stories he has about Lloyd etc... Staying away from the scandal is probably a better bet...
In many of the Bo books there are stories about him from other teams players and coaches as well as the opposite for woody. It'd be great to hear any coaching stories or good interactions with michigan players. Avoid the controversial stuff.
Totally random, but reading your paragraph, there was a fortuitous line stop that initially made me think you were going to where a yellow dress.
This is the first time I have ever heard someone use the technical definition of fortuitous--a case of fortune, either good or bad. I have only heard it used as "fortunate," and frankly I've never been able to get past that usage myself. Well done.
Ha! Thanks, I needed a laugh.
He received a standing ovation back at that "school" last time I checked.
It might be best to stay away from that whole NCAA violations thing entirely. It's not like he's going to say anything especially revealing to someone he doesn't know.
I would be interested in getting his opinion on the new coaching staff at Michigan, both with respect to coaching and recruiting. Does he think his "fence around Ohio" would have held against Michigan's current recruiting prowess?
That's a real good one. I could ask him why he thinks Hoke has made such significant inroads into Ohio while he was able to keep Carr & Rodriguez at bay.
I like that - consider that one asked.
That's actually a great way to start the question off, with a compliment - "you really did a great job of building a fence around Ohio, keeping almost all of those great recruits in state". Then you throw a little barb in there - "it seems like Urban is more focused on out of state kids. Do you think that will eventually come back to hurt the OSU football program?"
If you want him to open at all, you're really going to have to start with a few questions that are really going to stroke his ego. That will get him to talk a little bit. After that, you can tactfully ask a couple of more delicate questions, but ultimately, he's not going to open up much at all. This guy has been answering questions like this for years. He's a pro at deflecting.
Seems a little premature considering things might be completely the opposite this year. Chances are OSU will sign all the in state prospects it wants with the exception of Ferns and Michigan will be more focused on our of state prospects.
Ask him if he gets the sweater vest dry cleaned or just pulls a new one out of the closet after several days of wear.
Or if i did id tell him f him and go blue
I have a hunch that you wouldn't say that to his face. And if you did, you would be an embarrassment not unlike him.
he was recruiting a kid in a school that i teach at the week after the '09 'The Game'...i good naturedly said 'go blue' and he talked to me for a second, then another teacher showed up with a pad of sticky notes and he asked if i wanted an autograph.
i said 'nah....wait. well i do if you'll write 'go blue' on it'.
obviously i promptly took it down to the lamenating machine, folded over the 'go bucks' part, and it is now still lamenated (good enough that you honestly can't tell it's folded over' with a string around it for a necklace hanging off one of my book shelves...
Picture or GTFO
They post the pictures on the Inside Business website after the event. I'm sure they'll be there plus given that everyone else in my company are big OSU fans I'm sure the hilarity of me accepting the award from Tressel will be captured by everyone's cameras.
I'll have pics.
Do you feel guilty being a keynote speaker for anything?
"Will you get on it right away? Happy Easter."
I'd be curious if he thinks that the spread offense is a good fit for OSU/B1G given that he is known for conservative Tresselball. Obviously, the transition from Tressel to Meyer went as good as one could hope for. As Michigan beefs up for manball, which offense is going to have the advantage in the big game?
Ask him if he had a Happy Easter
edit: dammit beaten to the punch
Ask him how come his eyes and skin don't burn when he sits in the front pew of church.
"So, how do you think the Bobcats will do this year? You used to coach there, amiright?"
If I were in your position, I wouldn't ask anything. No good would come of me opening my mouth around that man.
does the documentation of your cheating that you were not caught for fit into one banker's box or do you need two?
: cause I am a fool
You should ask him what his favorite flavor of wine cooler is. Moreover, you should ask him why he prefers to pee while sitting down.
"Does everybody actually kill people, murder people, steal from you, and steal from me?"
If the sweater matches the drapes?
perhaps he has a Brazilian?
Please, please ask him if he has any updog.
Not to thread-jack my own post but my company sells an intra-operative nerve stimulator/locator that is used by surgeons when assessing & repairing nerve damage. And we just got approved by University of Michigan for trial use last week and literally in the past five minutes they just placed their first order!!!!!
Where was this miracle nerve repair machine when a certain ulnar nerve needed to be fixed ASAP??
Funny you should say that. Immediately after the Nebraska game I asked a couple of our surgeon-advisors did they think he'd be back soon and both said in essence "not a chance in hell". Both said that the likelyhood of restoration without signficant rest (as in year) or surgery was extremely small.
Like did he realize that that was a critical step for dominating Michigan or was that just his comfort zone? Does he think Urban is making a mistake by somewhat overlooking Ohio?
Why did you write books about being ethical and upstanding when you were neither?
Say nothing and relentlessly crop dust that man. He will be forced to bask in it. Crop dust him for Michigan.
"Crop dust?" Is that your local area slang for "envelope him in a noxious cloud of your farts?"
I always considerd cropdusting to require walking by someone and farting.
Let's not quibble over semantics. He's breathing fart either way.
Well done. I also recommend Stink Palming him
Cup of cheese!
Jeez people why would you want to represent your school with anything other than the most gracious behavior. It's the OTHER guys who are rude.
Say "it's nice to meet you ". If the conversation naturally steers to football ask the nicest question you can. If you are wearing UM colors/tie and he makes no comment that is a sign he would rather leave the whole thing alone. You're ripping your firm and your school so if that's what he wants that's what you do .
Exactly right. Wear your colors, sure, he will notice that. But the best thing you can do for your colors is to back them up with class, grace, and respect. We can rag on Ohio all we want, because screw those guys, but when it comes to actually interacting with them, you simply have to be the best person you can be. It's just the right thing to do.
1. Do you think the Big Ten should go to 16 teams, and why or why not?
2. Do you approve of the mania for alternate uniforms?
3. Should the conference ditch "Leaders" and "Legends"?
4. Why is high school football in Ohio better than in Michigan?
5. Is Mark Dantonio really that much of a horse's ass in private?
Damn Don those are good. Do you have those questions on a card someplace in your wallet just in CASE you run into Tressel in Bowling Green at the gas station or something?
If Jim Tressel was working at a Bowling Green gas station I would know that God loves Michigan. As it is, I'm not sure.
He's not going to say jack about OSU violations or anything about that.
Ask him what he thinks about the NCAA concept of "amateurism" and the O'Bannon lawsuit? It would be hilarious and ironic if he sided with the Emmerts of the world.
The stories suggestion is a good one. He won't be telling any OSU recruiting stories but I wouldn't be surprised if you can get him to tell some funny recruiting stories about other things. Ask him if he has heard anything about all of the rumors about Ole Mi$$.
If you really want to be ballsy, get a pic of Clarett from the 2002 MNC game and ask him to autograph it.
Don't ask him any questions, tell him you're not familiar with his work. When he says "I coached football at OSU" reply with "Oh, the Bobcats. Nice. I thought Frank Solich coached there."
I would pay good money to see the look on Tressel's face if you said that stuff to him in person. Hilarious.
fired? Check that, retired early?
What would your company do if you refused this "honor" and questioned why they want to associate with a liar and a cheat?
Had no shot at a title, did being honored at the game make you feel any remorse for lying?
Then ask him if he every thought about firing Gordon Gee.
I'd want to ask him what he thought about other coaches, both those he has worked with and those he faced in games and recruiting.
"Was it worth it?"
did you write that book when you knew you were a fraud?
where he hid Jimmy Hoffa.
When I clicked this I was expecting to hear the worst of it but I commend those who post some thought provoking and well rounded questions.
My questions to Tressel would be: Given the ressurgance of Michigan football under Brady Hoke and continued success of Ohio State under Urban Meyer, what are your thoughts on the state of Big Ten football as a whole both within the conference and nationally? Will it shift back to the Big 2 and everyone else? What do you see long term for the quality of competition in the conference as schools try to compete for a berth in the new playoff system?
If you want to bait him, make it sound like you're on his side and incredulous about the whole scandal.
"Don't you think it's funny--I mean funny 'odd' not funny 'haha'--that after all your years at Ohio State the thing they busted you for was some players pawning autographs and memorabilia for tattoos? Jeeze! I mean, Al Capone can relate, amirite?"
But that assumes that none of Ohio's opponents had guys on the team getting free stuff, and that seems hard to believe. Far be it from me to defend Tressel's program, but I do suspect there are a lot of "dirty" programs out there. NCAA enforcement is very random.
Say Jim, is it true that the official that thru the pass interference flag at the very end of the MNC game in 2002, was actually Gordon Gee ?
Get him to talk about how close it was, and then bring up the fact that he had the field replaced the week of the game to slow down the Michigan defense.
Then when the evening is about to end tell him, Bo was right, "you are a snake in the grass!"
Just tell him how much you admire him for handling the burden of being a tragic hero.
You should ask where he thinks Alex Kozan will end up.
For his daughter's number because she's hot.
Ask him if he laments being born with a "Hoo Haa" instead of a "Wee Wee."
Has to be those words verbatim and has to be asked without cracking a smile at all.
Thanks for that.
Got any tattoo parlors for rec?
I side with the polite, civil, innocuous recommendations. Remember, you may have contact with him again in the future. Don's questions seemed particularly good.
I really would let the conversation go where he wants, and do your best to encourage him. For instance, if he starts talking about a story, let him go down that road, and ask him questions that encourage him to continue. Be a good listener and empathizer, smile, be friendly, and let him talk. Don't fawn over him, but definitely be respectful.
Tressel, as has been noted, is a master at obfuscation and deflection, as are all good politicians. Generally, most people like to talk about themselves, but this is probably not the case with Tressel.
It sometimes is the case that if you are open and vulnerable, it encourages the same with the individual you are talking with. To the degree that you are transparent, it helps him to do the same. I wouldn't be surprised about him asking you about your line of work, and also asking you about your experience as a Michigan fan. Be prepared to answer honestly, and use your answers to ask him related questions.
Here's an example. Say you use your business experience to link to Denard's injury. You might say something like, "From doctors on our staff, I knew that with an ulner nerve injury, it was extremely unlikely Denard would come back last year. He was such a unique talent and a joy to watch, with his combination of raw speed and yet the ability to make some passes. How would you compare Denard to the quarterback you had at Ohio State?" This could open a conversation thread.
You could ask him about line play, or about Hoke, or about Mattison.
There's one suggestion above that I personally would ask him about (because I'm a pastor.) I would read his book, and find a more tactful way to ask him about how he applied those principles with the players under his watch, and where that didn't work. If there was a way to do it, I would ask what he would change or do differently.
Step 1: Get a tattoo (if you don't already have one) in an innocuous place
Step 2: Ask if he wants to see your tattoo
Step 3: Show him your new tattoo
(This thread had far too much seriousness, and not as much snark as I expected)
EDIT: And now I want to add, he's a man who coaches football, not just a football coach. I'm sure everyone talks to him about his thoughts on football all the time. He might appreciate it if you tried to explore other topics completely unrelated to football--his previous career, books he's read recently, movies, anything you would normally talk about with someone you just met. I'm sure he's used to it by now, but if I were him I would appreciate not being bombarded with football questions.
Funny you should say that. The first time I met him was leaving a high school academic All-American banquet here in Cleveland in 2000 cause Lloyd was the keynote speaker and he hadnt yet started at OSU (had gotten the job but it was in the springtime).
We ran into each other in the lobby sneaking out early during a video (he had his late mother to take home to Bratenhal and I had my 15 year old son) and both of them had to go to the bathroom so Tressel and I were standing there alone in this giant lobby (place called Landerhaven) - him in his OSU polo and me in my M polo. I shook his hand, said congrats on getting the OSU job and told him I hoped he went 12-1 every year. He said "thanks and I'll take the 12-1 but I dont think I want to lose the one game YOU want me to lose". Then he laughed and we spent about 20 minutes talking about living in hotels on the road, best resturants in Orlando, rental cars and everything BUT football. He was increadibly charming, friendly and engaging and way nicer than he needed to be to a M guy like me.
Should have taken him upstairs. Talk about a man crush.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID
YOU HELPED WRECK THE PROGRAM
I could just picture that. Awesomeness!
A few years ago I actually had a dream that my wife and I went on a double date with the Tressels. In it, he got really upset because I was heckling him about being a Buckeye and they left dinner early. My wife told me I was rude.
Basically what I'm saying is, don't heckle him or he may leave early, and your wife may give you a good nagging.
Let them fall out as you shake his hand...
Insert witty quip here...so many ways you can go with it...
I would ask him the following:
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
You ever been in a cockpit before?
You ever seen a grown man naked?
As I'm sure has been said there's no way that he will say anything about what happened while he was the coach. Legally I doubt he could and he's also not stupid enough to say anything that you could then sell to newspapers.
Just ask him something about coaching or what his plans are for Akron U and such.
I actually have an opportunity May 14th at an Akron Aeros game where he'll be greeting Akron U employees and signing autographs and such. I am really tempted to have a fake ID made where my name is Go Blue so I can have an autograph made up.
Who was the one recruit you lost to Michigan that you most wished had come to Osu?
Ask Tressel if he can direct you to some raffle tickets. I like your odds.
Ask him if it was worth it to sell his soul to the devil while sipping Bartles & Jaymes.
... can I have fries with that, please?
- rim shot
I think it might be more interesting if you didn't wear Michigan colors. He might confide more to you if he thinks you're a Buckeye.
I probably wouldn't ask him anything because I wouldn't have anything positive to ask him. The only thing I'm really curious about him is how deep is his knowledge of the violations and how bad were they really? Further, I want to know how he feels about this good guy, philanthropantic, ethical persona when behind the scenes he knowingly breaks the rules. How does he deal with that lack of congruencey between his words and his actions. But, since you can't really ask any of those questions I probably wouldn't ask him anything. I certainly wouldn't give him the satisfaction of asking him a question that would allow him to discuss his successes. And by the way, why is anyone paying him to be a keynote speaker after his well publicised questionalbe ethical decisions?
"And by the way, why is anyone paying him to be a keynote speaker after his well publicised questionalbe ethical decisions? "
For the exact same reason he got a standing ovation at the shoe this year during the Michigan game. He is considered a Demi-God down here because of his increadible record againt Michigan and they dont give a damn how he did it.
While I can understand why football fans still love him, I don't understand why business would celebrate him. To celebrate a man in a business setting that was basically fired for lying/cheating is quite a different story than celebrating him at the shoe. Is that the sort of values a business should celebrate? I find that highly questionable.
Wine cooler do you like best?
" I need a new car. Do you know any dealers where I can get a good deal?"
1. Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle?
2. Why do we drive on parkways but park in driveways?
If it were me, I probably wouldn't talk to him much. I would be respectful and courteous and keep the football-related comments to a minimum, but I would find someone else at the table and engage them in conversation to avoid having to talk to Tressel.