As a Canadian, I am disgusted. Ugh. Is that really necessary?
OT: How Canadiens view Detroit - Red Wing article in Edmonton Sun
I've lived and worked in such "bad" cities as Flint and Detroit. Yet, where is the only place I've ever had my car stolen? A church parking lot in Windsor.
Disneyworld is dangerous compared to Canada.
Dang, we are going to Disneyworld next month... I better be prepared.
If you look at Mickey the wrong way he and Goofy will take you out back behind the Epcot Center and stomp the shit out of you. You haven't felt pain until you've been beaten by a baseball bat while "It's A Small World" is playing in the background. I learned that one the hard way.
Yup the last time I was at Disneyland (same difference), the lady in front of us in line let her little kid drive her automatic wheelchair, lost control of it, and rammed it into a crowd of people. Moral of the story - wear helmets at all times.
Haha they're so happy at the beginning of the video.
As long as the helmets got wings!
we were in the Animal Kindgom, or whatever they call the part of the park with monkeys that smells like animal poop and fat people, posing for a character picture - 2 little kids, mom and dad, with Eeyore, Tigger and Pooh. I was in the back row and instantly noticed Eeyore taking a liking to my wife. He put his arm around her, started rubbing her shoulders, eventually the small of her back.
I couldn't belive what I was seeing. When his hand dropped to her beltline, I thunked him upside the head and said "knock it off or you're getting fired today".
It was actually pretty funny, in a "molested by character" kinda way.
I'm not sure that "Yeah, well you're too safe" is really the counter-argument we're looking for.
Fuck that guy. It's lazier journalism than even the Freep is capable of.
who was saying that stuff about Detroit, not Canadians.
I was wondering when I looked at the title what the hell the Montreal Canadiens were doing commenting about Detroit to the Edmonton media.
As an aside, Edmonton (and the Alberta inferiority) does not speak for Canadians.
lets go to war. detroit v canada. i know who im betting on
We have unfinished beef with Toledo we need to settle first.
Nah, we're good. We pawned it off on Ohio and got the U.P. Double-victory for Michigan.
Ahh sometimes I really hate you Michiganders. ( Jealousy mostly)
Relax guy; I'm all for your humor and we're a peace loving nation (largely) but on this our Remembrance Day I will note that we're damn strong with character.
We'd better get the Baldwins into lockdown, stat.
Canadiens? Or CanadIANS? Big difference.
Way to kick a city when it's down. If it makes them feel any safer, I think Canadian visitors are largely viewed as too insignificant to be victims of violent acts.
EDIT: Oilers, 4-7-2, play the Wings tonight. So the sportswriter is trying to give the punters back in Edmonton something to feel good about before they get gashed.
I live in Port Huron, which is were ALOT of Canadians do shopping at, and I've got to say, I'm more scared of their driving than walking in Detroit.
No offense to any canadians on this board
None taken. We have some bad drivers up here. Though, Quebec is worse - Stop signs there are just a reason to take the foot off the gas for a mere second.
every once in a while a post comes a cross that brings this crap up. I am Canadian and proud of it. What this jackass wrote is beyond bullshit but the way a lot of you clowns seem to lump every Canadian into a single group when one Canadian says something stupid is every bit as ignorant as the guy writing this article.
When I think of the USA I am smart enough to know that not EVERYONE there speaks with that southern twang (NTTAWWT), not EVERYONE sounds like a New Englander, not ALL of them shoot people and finally, not all are assholes.
In fact, most of the Americans I have encountered are pretty nice people and I don't let the fact that I have encountered some assholes who happen to be from the USA (like a few commenting on this thread) spoil my opinion of Americans at large.
These types of generalizations are something I would expect out of teenagers, not adults.
What Detroiters think of Edmonton:
Not helping the city's reputation.
I think the recent rape-suicide in the trailer park outside of Detroit didn't help much either.
That's childs play when compared to the craziness of this, which, of course took place in Canada.
As one can see, every place has it's bad apples.
I'm not defending Detroit nor Canada but there is a reason Detroit gets a bad rap. It is what? The #1 city in the nation for murders per capita?
I lived there for a while after college and had an amazing apt. on the water for next to nothing.
There are great things going on in detroit (sorry I still haven't been able to link video directly to blog)
I never said Detroit wasn't respectable but from an outsiders point-of-view, Detroit gets a bad rap because publicity for the city isn't always for the best reasons. I'm not sure why people are surpised by this stereotype that Detroit has. That's all.
It's not surprising that it has that stereotype. It's just that it's aggrevating that the stereotype still exists. I believe Washington DC has a higher crime rate overall but people don't constantly bash it (except for it's other criminals....approximately 536 of them anyway). I mean yes, there are parts of Detroit that I'm not about to wander around in but then there are nice parts of it.
I'm pretty sure that East St. Louis has at least twice the violent crime rate that Detroit does, actually.
East St. Louis has one of the highest crime rates in the United States. According to FBI's data of 2007, its murder rate hit 101.9 per population of 100,000, surpassing that of cities such as Gary, Indiana (48.3 per pop. 100,000), New Orleans, Louisiana (37.6), Baltimore, Maryland (43.3), and Detroit, Michigan (47.3), as well as that of its neighbor St. Louis (37.2). FBI data shows East St. Louis' rate of rape exceeded 250 per population of 100,000.
and the city's very real crime rate, I don't think the show is having a significant effect here.
Not helping the city's reputation.
Disagree - the show gives off the impression that the DPD actually solves murder cases.
Seriously, the city's reputation was so poor before the show that it can't really hurt it any more. At least they're filming on location, so the local economy does benefit a bit.
Actually, I don't think the image of Detroit is taking that bad of a hit from Detroit 187. There are many admirable characters on the show.
I've got to disagree. Detroit 187 is pretty darn good for the D.
Anywhere you go outside of Michigan, people think Detroit is full of nothing but gang-bangers who want to kill each other.
The show puts real, human faces on what's going on. It's a chance to talk about what the media doesn't: the people who really care about their city, and want to make it better. It's a chance to show all the beauty that Detroit once had, and all the little gems that it still has, and the potential it will always have to be great again.
Of course, bringing jobs into the city is good too. The real benefit though, is empathy (not sympathy). It's getting people to see Detroit as not just a hole in the ground and an object of derision, but as a living, breathing place full of people they know.
When you have a badass team like the Red Wings who are a Stanley Cup favorite every year, obviously peeps are going to be jealous. They will be even more jealous when Lidstrom lifts Detroit's 12th Stanley Cup over his head in June. Hopefully it's against Montreal, just so we can rub it in a bit more.
Nevertheless, I think we should invade Canada. Then we can try Crosby as a war criminal.
When you have a badass team like the Red Wings who are a Stanley Cup favorite every year, obviously peeps are going to be jealous.
I don't think many experts, if any, consider the Red Wings Stanley Cup "favorites" this year...
info before posting.. They are #1 in the ESPN power rankings every week.. and quite a few people have favored the wings to win this year actually...
ESPN's power rankings aren't worth the paper they are written on in terms of predicting Cup favorites. They are solely reflective of how teams are playing right now, not who is favored to win the Cup. If you have names (and links to the articles) of actual experts who picked them to win it this year, I'd be glad to take a look at that, because I don't recall seeing any make that prediction preseason and have seen very few deviate from that prediction over the first month of the season. Detroit has had a strong start to the season record-wise, but they haven't played the strongest of competition so far this year. Only four of their wins have come against teams currently currently in playoff positions (yes, I realize it's early, but my point is that I wouldn't get ahead of yourself in thinking that they've been world beaters this season). I realize that my opinion on this is sure to be unpopular here, but I'm just stating it as I see it and I'd temper my expectations on how good they are this year until they play (and beat) the better teams in the league, if I were in your shoes.
then ESPN. oh and they have beaten Anaheim twice and the only time they have played Chicago they have won. And while I can see what you are saying, the way you worded it made it sound like there was no way they would win the cup this year. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=539662
oh and they have beaten Anaheim twice and the only time they have played Chicago they have won.
Yeah, I know, but that's essentially their three quality wins of the season. They have also beaten Phoenix (twice) (13th), Calgary (twice) (14th), Nashville (12th), and Edmonton (twice) (15th). All I'm saying is that I wouldn't get my hopes up on this season just yet when seven of your ten wins are against those teams.
And while I can see what you are saying, the way you worded it made it sound like there was no way they would win the cup this year.
No, that's not at all what I was saying. I was just saying that they aren't the favorite to win the Cup this year. Thanks for the article, I hadn't seen that one.
after last night i bet the oilers would disagree with you
I doubt it. You do realize that the Oilers are by far the worst team in the league, right? Based upon your logic, the Oilers must now alos consider the Devils (you know, those same Devils that just got their first home win of the season by beating the Oilers) to be Stanley Cup favorites.
"This is an absolute legit contender for the Stanley Cup," Edmonton coach Tom Renney said. "They've got eight, nine or 10 plus players on their team. We're working on half a dozen."
I don't think any reasonable person would disagree that the Red Wings are a Cup contender this year. There is a difference between being a Cup contender (along with about a half-dozen to a dozen or so other teams) and being the team favored to win the Cup this year.
Ya, gotta admit that the Blue's surprised me so far this year.
Alright guy, you're crossing the line here. Some jackass in Edmonton (with the Alberta inferiority complex in full effect) pisses you off about the blessed Red Wings fine but don't be pissing on my nation and especially not on our Remembrance Day.
Oh Canada, I stand on guard, for thee.
Just because you've mentioned it twice, you do realize it's a holiday today in America too, and for the same reason, right?
So why is there any bashing of either country than? Why can't people just say "Oiler Fans" instead of incriminating an entire nation.
We love our country of Canada, and you guys obviously love yours. I'm sure you would be rather upset of someone came on here and said, "Fuck the USA." Do you think we would enjoy seeing "Fuck Canada"? Please just have some consideration for your fellow man, as we share the same continent.
This board is better than this, we are here to talk about the UofM. We don't need to waste this much time on a useless journalist who wrote a very inconciderate article.
I was absolutely aware that it was Veterans Day in the United States and as the previous poster has indicated it would surely piss off the board (in most of it's entirety) if someone were to make such ridiculous remarks about the United States and particularly on such a patriotic and important date.
That sort of thing about Canada...on Remembrance Day especially...not on my watch.
The part people are upset about is not the Red Wings, but the giant shit that the guy took on the city of Detroit. THAT'S crossing the line.
Damn King, that's quite the avatar.
Anyway, I agree that the guy shouldn't have taken such a ridiculous shot at Detroit...well, repeated it seems. That said, the "blame Canada" meme in response, on our national day of mourning (and yours) was distasteful to me and I expressed the same. Feel free to crap on that writer (who is clearly uninformed about Detroit and likely Michigan more generally) and to a lesser degree on the paper and fanbase that support that sort of garbage journalism but the inclusion of our entire nation...I would all caps unacceptable on that.
is why I took the time to create this post. The opening of the article was nothing more than a cheap shot.
It's not just in Canada, even more so in this country. Whenever Detroit teams win a Championship, or are in the playoffs... somebody always writes something about rust belt, unemployment, fires, looting, and murder.
When the Lakers won the title this past season. Riots broke out, and there was talk about canceling the parade. This barely made a ripple with the MSM. You would have thought the freep was covering the story. If it had been Detroit, the story nationally would have been... "Murder Capital wins Championship. Rioters cheer as City burns."
It's just how things are. If you consider yourself a Detroiter, it's nothing we haven't seen or heard before. Just shrug and move on. It's lazy journalism, which we are accustomed to around here.
And what's funny is that there hasn't been a sports riot in Detroit since the late 90's. All of the Wings Championships have been very well behaved and so were the recent Piston championships. But hey, since when do journalists let facts get in the way of their prejudices?
Although I did think that the chalk line was pretty funny/clever. Still a dick though.
Quick question. Hasn't Detroit somewhat earned this reputation? I mean it did not just come out of nowhere, did it?
I realize the reputation has been exaggerated a great deal. I am just asking whether there is some truth to it. I am a West Michigan native who is not all that familiar with the Detroit area.
You could certainly make an argument about the degree to which Detroit has or hasn't earned its reputation. I think that's missing the point though.
It's kind of like saying that some kids really do deserve to get bullied. Yeah you know what, some kids really do. Good social skills is an important part of growing up and having success in life. You and I both know though that bullying can go too far.
The point is that Detroit has great places and great stories that never get reported. Places like the DIA, the Zoo, the Fox, the Whitney. Not to mention all of these places. Detroit also has a lot of good people (in both downtown and the burbs), who've had a lot of bad happen. The real problem is that the longer Detroit's reputation burns, the greater chance we have of losing the great things that are still there, and the longer it will be before economic recovery.
I know I was defending Detroit in an earlier post but you need to check out this video from Detroit Congress woman Monica Conyers.
Was this really a required OT post? I mean c'mon man. What you are saying is almost as bad as what he is. Not all "Canadiens" hate or have a distaste for detroit, nor do they have the same view. Don't be so quick to paint with a broad brush while using such shitty paint. Just because one idiot decides to spew chunks all over a page, does not mean he is the voice of a nation.
As a Canadian I am appauled by that article; however, I was not really suprized when I saw who it came from. Due to it's third grade style journalism, not only is it frownd uppon to read that usless disguise of a "newspaper", but those who do are often ridiculed. What does edmonton have?... a mall? That's about it.
Your point is well taken that I lumped all Canadians together in the post.
You are right. I was wrong. I apologize.
It was thoughtless of me to generalize. I will be more specific in future posts. Thanks for the criticism. I earned it.
Wow. Ripping on Detroit crime. Original. Somehow worked in the crime rate with an totally epic diss of DPS.
That article is complete garbage, it's almost funny. It's written for the Wings-Oilers game tonight, and the intro the original post provided is completely unrelated to the rest of the story/preview- the article could just as easily start with the next sentence: "The Wings are good." A true sign of shoddy journalism when you can't tie in your opening sentence to the rest of the piece. What a jabroni.
There is a lot more to the city than people give it credit for.
*Shakes fist and looks toward Canada*
Nobody is worth murdering in Canada.
Everybody murders people...duh.
call Edmonton, Deadmonton.
Edmonton is the fifth most violent city in Canada.
This type of article got old about the same time Edmonton last won the Cup.
but come on? the only logical thing i can think of is that he is talking about the Wings Murdering the Oilers tonight.. ZING!
he's just pissed because he knew his team would be losing 4-0 in the 2nd period...
I mean, whatever, really. I'm from the Detroit area and spend plenty of time in Detroit. Yeah, there are bad parts, and there are good parts. Whatever. I don't think ths journalist really believes what he wrote and if he does he's an idiot and there's not really much to it. The phrase "muggy with a chance or murder" is actually pretty funny.
Detroit's violent crime rate is ridiculous and the education system is corrupt and awful and frankly if these things are used for humor then that's fine, they're ripe for it. Hopefully the education system will finally get better with the changes being made.
He's an idiot, shows the class some canadians have.
Yes, because we are the only country with a**holes. Just so happens this idiot actually has a somewhat viable outlet of media. It really is unfortunate. =\
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THey are just jealous of our hockey team
I guess we could say we murdered them...
Here's Mickey Redmond's reply to that Edmonton guy: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/11/mickey_redmond_takes_on_edmont.html
Get 'em, Mickey!