OT- How Bad Is The Big East???
at this point. It's hard to argue that the automatic bids are still relevant.
Given the NCAA's stupidity in all things, I am sure they will find a way to make that argument.
Their motto: Harm the most athletes possible, especially those at revenue producing schools.
It's scenarios like this that will spell the end of the BCS. People can't take this system seriously when teams like Pitt and Va Tech are in BCS games. There is no reason they should be leapfrogging teams like Boise St., or any high-quality teams from the Big Ten, PAC 10, Big 12 or SEC.
I was thinking this exact same thing last night while watching this (MAC level) game. I think the BCS is a total joke. Nine games into the season they were projecting (prior to the game) that 6-3 Pitt would be in a BCS game and 9-0 Boise State would be left out. I think AQ teams should be held to the same standard as non-AQ teams. They should need at least 9 wins and be in the top 14...at least give me the top 20!!! If the top team in your conference can't meat those standards, then they don't deserve an automatic bid to begin with.
Nonsense. I fail to see how this is some kind of big problem specific to the BCS. Autobids are a fact of life. A lot of really good, talented teams got left out of March Madess because it's somehow more important to give obviously-out-of-their-league East Tennessee State a bid too. We take the NCAAs seriously even with ETSU and Lehigh involved, so I doubt the BCS will face this massive uprising over the Big East.
Sure, ETU won't win the thing, and, say, Minnesota had a better pedigree. But it doesn't matter, because the hypothetical just-beyond-the-bubble-Gophers couldn't get out of the first weekend anyway. Aside from some of the fans, who cares if the 53d best team didn't make the field of 64?
The BCS, on the other hand, is not a tournament with enough slots for all the teams that could conceivably make a football Final Four. It is a small collection of very large payout bowls. If you autobid a very average BCS conference team into one of just a couple of slots, it represents a serious blow to a much more deserving team, a dramatic shift in dollars, and of course a shoddy matchup in one of those handful of bowls that is supposed to be nationally interesting.
As far as whether seeing Pitt or some other shoddy team in a BCS game will cause a massive uprising, I'm in agreement - this won't change a thing if all of the other BS that's gone on in the BCS era couldn't effect change.
The problem with the BCS as opposed to March Madness is that only some conferences get autobids, and they're not necessarily the strongest conferences. Certainly this year (and very possibly for the last 2-3 years) the Mountain West has been a stronger conference than the Big East, especially at the top of the league. Yet the Big East gets an autobid, and the MWC doesn't.
Certainly this year (and very possibly for the last 2-3 years) the Mountain West has been a stronger conference than the Big East, but only at the top of the league.
FIFY. IME, the enormous suckassitude of the bottom of the MWC is ammo enough not to replace the Big East's autobid with the MWC. The Big East is weak this year, sure. But I don't think you can call a league "better" because they have a couple of better teams. Not when the bottom of the league is so horrendous. That just inflates the top of the league. FWIW, Sagarin still ranks the Big East higher.
in the BCS bowl game this year if they win out for the rest of the season.
The Big East, on the other hand, is terrible and has a bunch of teams who have similar records.
An 8-4 Big East team in a BCS bowl is equal to an 8-8 NFC West team in the playoffs.
Remember though...a 9-7 Arizona team pushed Pittsburgh to the edge in Super Bowl 43
UM's 105th ranked scoring defense held UConn to 10 points. If UConn beats Syracuse next week and Pitt loses one more game, UConn most likely will win the Big East.
That seems insane in retrospect. Indiana could contend for the Big East title.
Nebraska v. UConn in the Fiesta Bowl. Not exactly must see television.
For those who like the senseless violence of "When Animals Attack."
Nebraska will be playing the role of the bear.
I didn't mean to mislead anyone with my comment. Absolutely I will be watching. Let the punishment commence.
pretty damn bad
I have family that went to Syracuse and I do cheer for them, but wouldn't it be a pisser if Shafer makes a BCS bowl before us.
I like the idea that if you win your conference you get a good bowl game, conference winners should be rewarded somehow
You have to hand it to UCONN going for it on 4 and 1 at their own 20 late in the 4th Qtr. That and their willingness to lose to UofM makes them my Big East favorites
Or the MAC?
What's their reward?
has historically been better than those conferences, just having a down year
The MAC gets the Pizza Pizza bowl - what else could you want?
The MAC gets the noon game on ABC in Cleveland. I think that's enough reward for them. I want to shoot myself in the face everytime I try to watch football on a Saturday.
The problem with the Big East is that it's gotten away this long with 2-3 good teams, and a few pretenders, and then a few really bad teams. Pitt, WVU and maybe Cinci over the last ten or so years. These good teams though, would not necessarily dominate in the Big 10, SEC, but might do real damage in the ACC.
All that being said, aside from the current BCS conferences... what conference should dethrone it? (Assuming we need the additional BCS slot.)
I was going around laughing (while they still thought they could win in the 2nd half) and said you are in the big east!
Really? That much confidence 'eh?
I dont like automatic bids, but without them ESPN would push for an all SEC bowl year for the BCS.
East Dillon would win the Big East with Vince Howard taking home player of the year.
the UofM defense - they be bad.
You can pick random 11 fans out of the stands and they could score 10 on our D.
All the years of the good coaches being poached and bad hires (or, in the case of my beloved Cards, both), are starting to really show. Or show more, at least. It's sad, really, because it was a very strong, unfairly maligned conference a few years ago. Now all the maligning is fair; fair as can be. When Petrino was at Louisville and RR was at WVU, those teams were some of the most fun to watch, most inventive, teams in the country. The dropoff from those guys, both offensive geniuses, to f-ing Steve Kragthorpe and Bill Stewart was like the dropoff from Justin Timberlake to Kevin Federline (yay, dated pop cultural references!) while HC GERG was at 'Cuse and, you know, Wannstedt continuing his incredible "how does this guy keep getting hired?!" streak at Pitt. UCONN was basically building a program from scratch, South Florida being the Duggar Familiy "Little Brother." Brian Kelly looked like a genius but he was, probably, merely (slightly above) competent and he's gone now too. I know, I know it's the Decimated Conference excuse that we're all sick of hearing. But, dammit, it's true. I'm loving Louisville's turnaround in Charlie Strong's first season (sometimes racism works out in your favor) and look forward to a) future dominance in an improved BE or, b) more conference expansion dominos fall and Louisville somehow lands in a 16 team ACC.
in a league like the Big East is right on. So maybe this Rodriquez guy can really coach? He might be someone worth hiring and keeping.
I think the need for coaches recruiting successfully is more important for the Big East schools. The success they've had playing in the spotlight on Espn on Thrusdays. And one thing they can use when talking to recruits is that a BCS bowl is guaranteed to the conference winner. Take that away and they might become the Sun Belt.
It's bad, but it's maybe better than it would have been without the BCS. I'm sure a "major" bowl would have signed up to take the Big East champion, especially if they negotiated the contract when Va Tech and Miami were in the conference. Say the BCS never happens, the Big East becomes somewhat legit, and the Orange Bowl decides to take the BE champ every year to play the Big XII champ? Or what if the Fiesta Bowl gets nervous about not having any tie in, and grabs the BE champ? At least in the current scenario, you can shuffle the BE champ to a place that minimizes the damage instead of having it disrupt a potential championship game. Imagine if last year had Texas vs. Cinci in the Orange Bowl while Alabama played an at large or the ACC champ or something in the Sugar Bowl?
The BCS has problems, no doubt, and I would take a playoff in a heartbeat, but I think it's better than the previous scenario.
The Big East is having a down year, but still owns a very good record in bowls, and unlike the Big Ten and a lot of other BCS conferences, actually has a winning record vs. the SEC in bowls.
The BE having a BCS bowl slot has nothing to do with the Mountain West. There's no reason we both can't have one, especially with now five BCS bowl games.
I personally favor a playoff where every conference champion gets an auto-bid. In the NCAA tournament, the Patriot League champ isn't a strong team, but still deserves its shot or why bother having any conference outside of the current BCS ones play in Division I-A?
West Virginia never would have gotten its chance to beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, or Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl in the last few years if we went by popular opinion.
1. It might forestall the 16-team superconferences that appear to be coming to our citaay. Who would want to expand that far at the risk of making it harder for each team within the conference to get the autobid? If I'm a Big East team, I wouldn't want TCU in those circumstances, and we can all agree that putting TCU in the Big East is just stupid.
2. Less controversy over selection of teams. You don't like that you didn't get in the playoff? Win your conference next time.
3. Allows/forces the current non-AQ schools to prove themselves.
4. The regular season still holds meaning, because the top few spots would get to face the champions of such not-very-illustrious leagues as Conference USA, the Sun Belt, and the Big East. (Zing!)
5. Makes it harder for Notre Dame to reach the playoffs, not that that will be an issue for quite some time. But still, screw ND.
I'm a big proponent of breaking up the Big East. I want Syracuse out big-time. The 16-team conferences are eventually going to happen, and whether the Big Ten or ACC, we're going to have a home.
I favor an auto-bid playoff that tries to incorporate tradition:
First round example: Big Ten Champ vs. MAC-Champ in Motor City Bowl, PAC-10 Champ vs. WAC Champ in Holiday Bowl
Second Round: Winners play in the Rose Bowl (yes, you may have a WAC or MAC team make the Rose Bowl, but it would happen far less often than non-Big Ten or non-Pac-10 teams are making it).
As Young Pretty already alluded to, about this bad:
But yeah, the problem wth the Big East is that it doesn't have a dominant recruiting edge in any region over any other conference. The Big 12 has Texas and Oklahoma, SEC has the South east, the Pac-10 has California and the rest of the West, and the Big 10 has the Midwest. If you look at the weaker conferences the past couple of years (ACC and BE), neither has a region of the country where they reign over recruits. Sure, FSU, Miami, and VaTech pull in some decent talent in the South and around the D.C. area, but they are competing with the rest of the SEC and large swaths of the Big 10 in each region respectively, and the BE (unfortunately) sits in a region of the Northeast that simply doesn't produce enough significant football talent to power a whole conference. Plus, lots of teams in the Midwest pilfer from Pennsylvania, NJ, and NY. Unless some team manages to make significant recruiting inroads and then turns that into consistent winning seasons, don't expect the BE to improve markedly.
Pitt Panthers vs Utah in 2005 bad. Oh, that's what you're getting at...
2006 WVU over Georgia, 2008 WVU over Oklahoma.
If you're going to indict the Big East over games like that one and last year's Cincinnati game, might as well indict the Big Ten over Ohio State being the Buffalo Bills of the BCS Championship, or our poor track record in the Rose Bowl against USC.
I know, but the lack of a single good team four or five times over the past decade is pretty alarming and a serious indictment of the BCS as it stands. A 7-5 team shouldn't be in the BCS, which is a serious possibility from the Big East (again).
Regular season record, final ranking, and BCS bowl result:
2000 - Miami 10-1, finished #2, won Sugar Bowl
2001 - Miami 11-0 National Champions
2002 - Miami 12-0 Lost National Championship
2003 - Miami 11-2, finished #5, won Orange Bowl
2004 - Pittsburgh 8-3, finished #25, lost Fiesta Bowl
2005 - West Virginia 10-1, finished #5, won Sugar Bowl
2006 - Lousville 11-1, finished #5, won Orange Bowl
2007 - West Virginia 10-2, finished #5, won Fiesta Bowl
2008 - Cincinnati 11-2, finished #17, lost Orange Bowl
2009 - Cincinnati 12-0, finished #8, lost Sugar Bowl
So in the last 10 years, the Big East champion has finished in the top-10 eight times, to-5 seven times, only had more than 2-losses once, and is 6-4 in their BCS games (In the same stretch, the Big Ten is 4-10 in BCS games)
After the split in 2004, the Big East is 3-2 in BCS games, and its champion has finished top-10 four of the five years.
...I like about the big east is syracuse, because the running back for the orange is 25th in the nation in rushing and their RB's coach is tyrone wheatley.
The BCS fail, so I love them right now.
It would be great to eject the Big East as an AQ school and give their spot to the Mountain West.