OT - HOCKEY IS BACK
Oh lord...mmmhmm, oh lord...
Praise Jesus AND fire Bettman
Figuratively, anyway. I was starting to develop an interest in hockey several years ago, but all the bullshit made me lose interest pretty quickly. I can't be the only one...
So for those fo us that didn't keep up with the negotations, who won? I grew up in the mid-90s. Hockey was my first sport. it was the only sport I really followed until I got into baseball when I was like 14 and the only sport I played growing up. I'll probably go back but reluctantly. Games? More than likely not but if a vendor offers me free tickets at work, I'm not turning them down.
I'm so frustrated. Part of me wants this season's attendance to be atrocious just so these people FINALLY get the hint that you cannot treat your fans like this and expect to grow your business.
Short answer, nobody won... with the fans losing the most.
Long answer: the NHL wanted a 50-50 split all along.. that's why they first proposed a drop from 57% players share to 43%. In an effort to save the full season (including the classic and all star game) the owners put a 50-50 offer out there in mid-Oct... everyone was excited until the players responded with 3 offers. Instead of using the 50-50 split as the base and building a counterproposal from there, the players offered some "50-50" splits that were based on mythical projected growth. The NHL promptly dismissed all 3 proposals in a matter of minutes... without offering a counter 50-50 proposal with some concession on some of the players other sticking points. So what's really frustrating is this deal could of been hammered out in October if both sides werent being little bitches. A lot of the blame certainly should fall on Bettman and Fehr who are awful people that don't give a shit about the sport. The owners got their 50-50 split, a buyout provision, a long CBA length... players got longer max contract length, more flexibility with salary variance, higher year 2 cap. So they really found middle ground, with no clear winner and lots of losers.
Reportedly will play each division opponent 7 times and each other conference opponent twice. Wings will be glad to get 7 easy ones against the Blue Jackets but will have a very tough schedule otherwise. Long overdue but great news!
Even though the Wings are gonna have a tough road with the Central being so stacked, I'm excited to see us play the Blackhawks and Preds 7 times. Always great, fun games against our division rivals!
I actually think a condensed season could benefit the somewhat older Red Wings.
We're not making the playoffs this year. I'm accepting that now. We don't have the depth or the right players. Unless maybe Franzen decides to play a full 60 minute game before the playoffs.
No surprise I guess. Love the game, hate Bettman. 360 days to the Winter Classic...
^I think this is the most confused and senseless post I have ever read on mgoblog.
I have gotten tired of the NHL and replaced them with college hockey.
Hockey never left. NHL is back.
Granted, I just got up, but this is the best news I've heard all day.
I wonder if any of them realize the lasting damage they've all done to hockey between this lockout and the last one. I imagine Bettman holding a press conference and declaring "THE SEASON IS BACK ON!" and then the camera pans to the crowd and it's like 10 people half-heartedly clapping
Thus is great for people who work at businesses that rely on NHL games like Cobo Joes. However, I've noticed already this morning ESPN couldn't care less about it.
ESPN hasn't cared about hockey since 1995.
Is a bunch of dudes wishing for their high school days back and won't let anybody they don't like into their exclusive douchebag club.
Their online NHL section is pretty good, but everything else is utter shit.
What's Tebow up to? Is Kobe better than Lebron? Did Rex Ryan say something? Tim Tebow? SEC SPEED! Tim Tebow? LINSANITY IS OVAH. Tim Tebow?
But I just don't care? I love hockey, I spent 13 years of my life playing it, and had some very early mornings just to get ice time with my travel leagues. I'm just over the NHL right now, and all involved.
Finally I have something to watch on a regular basis.
isn't back on until we say it's back on. Who's with me? Yooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
How do most of you see the Norris Division playing out?
YESSSSSSSSS posbangs for everyone!
the NHL ends their lockout before the Browns can end their coaching search. God, I hate being a Browns fan
Great news. Wonder how the Wings will do this season.
This must have been the outccome the players wanted when they hired Donald Fehr (Steroids? What steroids?). Nice to see he managed to get a job for a family member (Steven Fehr).
I love hockey but I'd already made a deal with myself to write off this season and now I find I'm fine sticking with that. After two of these it's pretty clear these guys have more contempt for their fans than any other major league. I'm with the fan strike here.
It will be interesting to say the least how fans in general react to its return. The casual fan (and i'll put myself in that category) watches infrequently during the regular season but starts to pay attention during the playoffs. I have to say i really didnt miss hockey while it was gone (football is still being played and basketball is in full swing) but probably would've started to miss it a little in Februray once the Super Bowl was played.
But as I sit here right now I have to honestly say the prospect of hockey coming back soon really doesn't do anything for me one way or the other. I'm not going to watch (other than to see how full the arenas are) and I kinda hope fans do stay away if for no other reason than to show Bettman and the owners you simply cannot keep doing this to your fan base.
Unfortunately the only "vote" fans get is their attendance & viewership and if arenas are full and ratings are high the only lesson the owners/players will learn is that lockouts work.
"I kinda hope fans do stay away if for no other reason than to show Bettman and the owners you simply cannot keep doing this to your fan base."
In every bit of polling, and anecdotal evidence, I have heard/seen on this, there has been pretty equal blame on the players. Thus, it will also show the PLAYERS that they can't keep doing this to their fan base.
The owners locked out with the intention of breaking the current contract before it expired, reconfiguring the money distribution with an 11 percent swing in their direction, and give the players nothing in return. Bettman's rule allows 8 out of 30 teams to control the rest.
I have a hard time blaming the players for anything purely because of how the lockout started.
Of course, I understand that you (and others) object to that, but the fact remains that not an insignificant number of people blame the players for this lockout (1) happening and (2) lasting as long as it did.
"...there has been pretty equal blame on the players."
That is, in my opinion, the fault of Fehr and the P.A. for being ineffective with their own narrative. The players were, if not perfectly, at least reasonably happy to continue playing under the last set of conditions they agreed to in ending the 2004-05 lockout. And EVERYONE acknowledges that the P.A. got royally screwed back then, that the CBA put into play basically gave the owners everything they wanted then.
Fast foward not even ten years later and the owners are once again claiming that they are unable to go on UNDER THE CONDITIONS THEY ALL BUT IMPOSED ON THE NHLPA THE LAST TIME.
I am a recovering Atlanta Thrashers (who?) fan...and I believe that the NHL actually is losing the amount of money that it claims, because if the people who own teams in other markets are as incompetent as the team of idiots that ran the Thrashers off to Winnipeg, it's a miracle that ANYONE outside the Original Six and maybe one or two of the Canadian markets make any money at all. But you can't pass the responsibility of your own incompetence off the employees. ESPECIALLY after those employees took, in good faith or otherwise, the type of reaming they got in 2005 to try and help their league out then. You sign your name on the line which is dotted...and you own up to the terms of doing so.
John Shannon over at SportsNet was reporting as well that the shortened schedule would include only in-conference games for each team, so regardless of whether we see the 48-game or 50-game proposed schedule, there is that constant. In a few ways, most notably travel time, I think this shorts the Red Wings significantly potentially.
As for the draft lottery proposal, I wonder if this revision, making all 14 teams fully eligible for the first overall pick in the draft, basically will mimic the NBA Draft Lottery. It might lead to some intriguing results - as the NBA Draft does - if that's where they are headed with it.
The divisions really need to be changed. Dallas is in a similar situation as Detroit is.
and I'll take the NHL seriously again as well. It's a crime against hockey that the Wings play Toronto and Montreal once a year, in favor of playing a bucket of games against teams nobody gives a damn about, like Nashville or Columbus. Killing the Detroit-Toronto rivalry is like ending the Tigers-Yankees series or ending the Lions-Bears or Lions-Packers rivalries.
Oh you mean like college football has done?
See: Nebraska V Oklahoma, Texas v Texas A & M, Pittsburgh v West Virginia or any other of the countless tradional rivaleries killed in the conference square dance.
I'm just glad we haven't screwed up Michigan-Ohio State with shitty divisions....oh wait...
Couldn't agree more. The fact that the game at the Big House with Toronto sold out so quickly should be a fucking clue to the NHL, but the tassel loafer-wearing foof in the commissioner's office is too damn stupid to realize it.
The modern NHL is a joke. The scedules are complete crap. I will start watching more than once or twice a month when we start playing toronto, montreal, etc. three or four times a year. Shit, at least home and home everyone in the league for cripes sake!
I can't wait for my first email from Olympia Entertainment expecting me to be so excited for hockey's return that I'll lap up every ticket offer they throw at me. I'll still come running back like a good Pavlov's dog, but TV only, and hate myself for it, but I just wish there was a way to write a nasty reply to those ticket-selling emails that would ever reach someone other than a low-level sales monkey just happy to have his or her job back.
But the Wings playing all of one team in their timezone won't be easy.
Big props to Scot Beckenbaugh for being the best damned federal mediator around and getting them back together with less than a week to spare.
You can't totally blame Bettman for this. I put more of the blame on the NHLPA, who have proven that, even though they are supposedly a players' association, they are reduced to the role of sock puppets for their agents. Too many owners are losing money under the current setup.
What other business model allows employees to receive a percentage of the gross while they are actually losing money? All the players really "gained" here was a percentage of a "pool" that isn't going to increase anytime soon.
Where is the money going to come from when both sides have damaged the game to a point where a lot more people don't care about them anymore? If they really wanted to do something constructive, they would have gotten together and tried to figure out how to make their sport attractive enough to get a decent TV contract.
employees to receive a percentage of the gross while they are actually losing money?"
Ooh, ooh, I know this one...it's called "The US Auto Industry".
If the players hadn't brought in Donald Fehr I would probably put 90% of the blame on Bettman. But Fehr has now orchestrated protracted and spiteful labor stoppages in two sports now, so yes, fuck him equally along with Bettman, who doesn't know any way to get a deal done other than to murder the sport.
To bring back the fans, Bettman and Fehr should go to games and drop the gloves during first intermission. Then two lucky fans will get their chance at them during 2nd intermission.
I'd pay good money to see that.
Is not really valid. Pro sports in the US don't operate like a free market. Salary cap and draft limit the ability of players to market their skills. I see the revenue split as a price the owners have to pay for the lower risk offered by the salary cap and other provisions. If the owners did not want to have a defined revenue split they could get it but then everything would be an open market.
I'm not sure I'd compare any markets to a free market...
Too many owners are losing money under the current setup.
I blame Bettman for this. He expanded the NHL into regions where teams are not garnering enough interest to make money. People parade around how the NHL is so much more popular and generates more revenue than before, but now we have eight or nine teams losing money because no one cares.
Also, the owners agreed to the old contract, so they don't get to whine about it until they can re-negotiate. Not in my book.
Dude, they didn't just sign the contract. They got EVERYTHING they wanted. What idiots did they have working on their side that didn't catch the frontloaded contract loophole? They got the cap they wanted and it was supposed to be labor peace for decades to come. "Oh yea, sorry guys, we fucked up last time we locked you guys out for an entire year, we gotta do this again". Sorry, I really don't blame the players. Owners want to be saved from themselves. No one forced you to overpay for your POS franchise in the middle of nowhere and no one forced you to sign 2 guys for $200MM. How can the owners be signing these deals and then want to rescind them a month later and be trusted? How can you trust a proven liar sitting across the table from you?
What business allows employees a percentage of the revenue(not gross) when it is losing money? Every single one that is losing money and has employees...
Owners losing money is a load of crap for the most part. Look at the Panthers for example. The owner is crying poor. Yeah, the Florida Panthers hockey team probably costs him money but what the Panthers got him is a lease on a publicly funded arena which he rents out and fills on a near nightly basis for concerts and conventions when the Panthers aren't in play. He makes bank off that. He got that arena deal due to this ownership of the Panthers. Look at the main figures of the lockout---Jeremy Jacobs of Boston and Snider of Philly. You think those locales are hurting for money? This is the same Jeremy Jacobs that made memebers of stanley cup winning staff pay a $7K tax on their rings and when some couldn't afford it, the PLAYERS that people love to deride stepped up and paid for those low-level staff memebers because they knew how important they are. Fuck the owners.
Sorry I'm not sorry
I think it's funny to read from people who say they couldn't care less whether the NHL returns. Obviously they care enough to login and post comments which seem to imply some kind of superiority on their part.
Yeah I've heard a lot of people say that. I'm willing to admit that my life is so boring that I will immediately be glued to my tv watching hockey as soon as its back.
Can't wait to see a game at the Joe. Lets go Red Wings!
Screw you and your short season. See you next year, stupid NHL.
The NHL season has always been at least two months too long anyway. I mean, hockey from Mid-October to mid-June is a bit much. Half the league makes the playoff anyway, so losing two months off the regular season isn't a bad thing, IMO.
Drop the puck already.
Earlier on the ESPN front page they had a poll about your excitement for the return of hockey and 56% said they were not excited. Why would ESPN waste time on a league that 56% of their audience was not excited to discuss?
Edit: this was meant as reply to the posters commenting on ESPNs lack of NHL returns coverage
Will feed you what they want to feed you down your throat 24/7. The last meaningful thing ESPN said was in 1999. Maybe.
Like the NBA strike I would have been fine if it wouldn't have came back. I actually prefer college hockey over NHL. Yet, congratulations to the hockey fans out there.
I really don't get why people feel so personally insulted. If you love hockey, watch it and attend the games. Was the lockout shitty? Yeah, absolutely. Did they forget about the fans in pursuit of the best CBA possible for them? Yep. But they're back now. Hockey wasn't on so I haven't watched, but it's back now so I may as well watch it. If you love it, you'll watch. Anyone saying that they feel personally disrespected needs to get real, the NHL is a lot bigger than the percentage of fans that won't come back, and most of them will eventually come back anyway. All I'm saying is that the NHL is a business and they had an unfortunate business dispute, but they're back now. Also, none of this excuses how poorly either side handled the Lockout, but it's over now so be happy and watch rather than hold a pointless grudge which will most likely eventually end anyway. Happy hockey-watching.
I lost a lot of interest in hockey after the 2006-07 season. I'm not even really sure why. I used to watch almost every wings game, but for some reason I just stopped caring.
Oficially eliminated from playoff contention already?
but i'll limit it to Fire Gary
My personal lockout starts now. I am locking the NHL for an equal amount of games that I lost. I love Mike Illitch, but him and the NHL is not getting my attention and money. Unfortunately, the board of governors are too shortsighted to see the damage Bettman has caused the league from his mismanagement.