OT: Hillarious John Glenn Win
October 13th, 2009 at 6:17 PM ^
I think my favorite part is the "announcing". Hellooo future BTN employees.
October 13th, 2009 at 6:30 PM ^
Once upon a time, I got the "WLND" network on my cable package. All it shows are John Glenn/Wayne Memorial games with these tards and Westland city council meetings. It's hellish.
October 13th, 2009 at 6:17 PM ^
This is awesome.
Although, and while this is debatable, looks like the kid's knee is on the ground when he picks up the ball...
Still, that's heads-up play right there.
October 13th, 2009 at 6:26 PM ^
howeva' "Play to the whistle", thats just poor coaching on the Plymouth side.
October 13th, 2009 at 6:43 PM ^
Kid's knee was on the ground when he picked up the fumble (it's one thing when you're acting as "holder" to have your knee down, different when picking up a fumble and returning for a score). Also, not sure how heads up the returner was. I guess he gets credit for not throwing the ball away, or collapsing in defeat, but he clearly didn't realize himself to run with it... unless he was cleverly waiting for all of the Plymouth players to bounce, in which case - nice work!
October 13th, 2009 at 6:48 PM ^
I wondering if it is the right call. There is a rule where the holder can rise up once from a knee and it is a still a live play.
He kept his knee on the ground the whole time, then rose.
This is why you can still do a fake fg. The holder receives the ball from the snap on a knee, he then raises it to run/pass whatever, the rule allows this to happen.
Although looks like he was touched with a knee on the ground. Any high school refs on here?
October 13th, 2009 at 7:13 PM ^
I encountered another interesting piece of that rule a couple years ago. The high school team I was photographing ran a fake field goal that had the holder receive the snap and immediately flip it forward to one of the ends who was running across the formation. It went for a touchdown, but it was flagged and brought back. I didn't know why until after the game, when I was informed that if the holder is going to throw the ball forward, he has to take his knee off the ground first.
October 13th, 2009 at 7:14 PM ^
you're right. if the holder receives the snap with his knee down he can raise up to run a fake. If his knee comes up to catch an errant snap and then he puts it on the ground he is OK to proceed with the kick, but if he rises up again to do a fake the play is blown dead.
I don't think we have ever talked about any special rules regarding the holder after the ball is kicked. This leads me to believe that once the kick happens the holder becomes like any other player (exception: he could still draw roughing penalties). Recovering the ball with his knee on the ground would make the ball dead, whether he was touched or not.
It looks like he has a knee on the ground, but it is tough to tell from the video when he actually gains possesion of the ball. In this case got to go with the Ref who is 10-15ft away and say it is "inconclusive video evidence."
October 13th, 2009 at 7:27 PM ^
That's how I remember the rule especially with the the bad snap portion.
Yeah, when the holder takes possession of the ball is up to debate. Thought it was inconclusive. Amazing no one on the field blew the whistle.
Also amazing, no defensive player went to jump on the ball after the block fg.
October 13th, 2009 at 7:46 PM ^
You said that you haven't talked about special rules regarding the holder after the ball is kicked.
Playing devil's advocate, couldn't I argue that he is the holder until he lifts his knee? Therefore he has all the special rules of a holder until he lifts his knee? He then loses all privileges when he lifts that knee.
Interesting hypotheticals I know.
October 13th, 2009 at 7:55 PM ^
that is a good question, however I think the way I would handle this play, without any specific rule covering it, would be that once the holder is no longer threatened by the defense (a period of time has elapsed that he isn't going to be roughed) he becomes a regular player. Especially in this type of play. Once the ball has been touched by the defense it is live for anyone to recover. If the D catches it with a knee down, they are down, so I think the same would apply for the kicking team once the ball has been kicked and subsequently touched by the defense.
October 13th, 2009 at 10:56 PM ^
That makes the most sense to me too.
I guess I'm trying the argue the difference between what makes sense and how to determine how to read the letter of the rule.
Your interpretation is fairest and makes the most sense.
I would say that once the ball is kicked, then he is no longer the holder. But then again that's not true since you can get a roughing holder penalty after the ball is kicked
My head hurts.
October 13th, 2009 at 7:06 PM ^
I like how the announcer praises the John Glenn players' awareness of the situation when it was really the coaches yelling at them to run with the ball. They were just standing around. Much better awareness on the coaches' part than the players. But that's understandable with an odd situation like that.
Also funny: "This could make or break the game." Uh...could?
October 13th, 2009 at 7:32 PM ^
Sigh. If Plymouth's HC is the same guy as it was 5 years ago, I'd feel a tremendous surge of schadenfreude.
October 13th, 2009 at 7:56 PM ^
Fuck Plymouth-Canton. That is all.
October 14th, 2009 at 2:09 AM ^
You must have been part of a high school marching band. I know this because the only reason people harbor anger towards plymouth-canton is that their band is much better than any in the area, is in fact one of the best in the country.
I went to Salem and I too didn't like the band when I was there, since it demanded so much time and money for the members. Now that I am gone, I enjoy that people don't like us because we are very good at something. I guess my time at Michigan has made me relish that feeling.
October 14th, 2009 at 12:13 AM ^
with the most gut wrenching ways to possibly blow a game period
October 14th, 2009 at 1:20 AM ^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiG0BqfNDmw&feature=related
Fast forward to 1min25sec
October 14th, 2009 at 11:41 AM ^
john glenn has a really good running back jeremy langford that also plays safety. from what i understand is that he is tearing it up this year and spartan mag did a write up about him and said that he might be the top sleeper in the state. so to the recruiting guros, what do we know about this kid and is michigan looking at him???