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April 25th, 2011 at 6:27 PM
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Wait

Somone from tOSU did something without honesty or integrity?!?!??!?!

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April 25th, 2011 at 11:32 PM
(Reply to #2) #303
Jarred
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Hmm

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:28 PM
#304
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Good thing he moved out of

Good thing he moved out of Columbus.  I'd actually be concerned for his safety if he were there right now.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:32 PM
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Mi Sooner
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i agree

had an interview down there last year -- tanked it on purpose; i just wanted out of there after being there after 10 minutes.  and yes, i grew up in ohio, thankfully, must closer to a*2.

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April 25th, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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Congratulations on making my

Congratulations on making my annual top 10 dumb things to do list.  Declining an interivew is one thing, but to actually GO to the interview and then purposely tank it... that's just not a very bright move.  Oh wait, you grew up in Ohio, that explains everything.

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April 26th, 2011 at 1:03 AM
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Man

You sound like a self-important asshole.

Congratulations.

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April 26th, 2011 at 2:48 AM
(Reply to #106) #308
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He just didn't realize how

He just didn't realize how awful of a city it was until he got there.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:06 AM
(Reply to #106) #309
MGlobules
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yuck man, just

yuck. Go wash that shit off. Any moral superiority that accrued to you from not being from Ohio is not evident in your petty little post.

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April 26th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
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Actually, you assumed wrong. 

Actually, you assumed wrong.  I am from Ohio.  So that also explains it.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:33 PM
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OSU

Always good to have former players and College Football Experts bashing your program

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:45 PM
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yeah, that would never happen

yeah, that would never happen here

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:34 PM
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I thought his point was along

I thought his point was along the lines of "yeah, we know where this is going" due to our own unfortunate experience.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:35 PM
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Keep Jim Tressel.

Keep Jim Tressel.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:36 PM
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His remark regarding if

His remark regarding if Cooper were the coach today were spot on. They would have literally shot him. lol

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:37 PM
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IMO, Kirk has never really

IMO, Kirk has never really shown any OSU bias and is pretty objective as a media presence. Only time he gets on my nerves is when he says the wrong shit in NCAA '11.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:40 PM
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That was a nice touch, wasn't

That was a nice touch, wasn't it?

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
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sort of admitting that i like ABBA

i always likes herbstreit.  i still get a kick out of his "running" the wishbone in their cotton bowl game.  if i remember correctly, they played A&M in it.  A&M was use tot he speed of the '80's wichbone teams.  kirk ran it sooo sloow that they, the defence, over ran it so badly, kirk just walked in because there wasn't anone in front of him.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:58 PM
(Reply to #85) #319
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i LOVE ABBA

no, seriously....

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April 26th, 2011 at 4:05 AM
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The soundtrack of my childhood...

Thanks mom, ABBA may not rock, but they are downright cute & fun.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:08 AM
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my seven-year-old

plays that stuff over and over. Sometimes after dinner we all go crazy in the living room to it, especially if it's bad weather and we can't go outside. 

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:43 PM
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why would you want him fired?

why would you want him fired?

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:09 PM
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Chopper

Sick balls.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:39 PM
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Mi Sooner
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Dude

less beer and less CAP's.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:11 PM
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Tressel has owned Michigan

why wouldn't Michigan fans want him fired?

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:13 PM
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Because he'll never be able

Because he'll never be able to out recruit us ever again

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:39 AM
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How?

How?

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:55 PM
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Because he has recently owned us

and if he is gone we can never get even or better him.  Personally, I think he will resign.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:34 PM
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hmmmmm...

The longer this goes on and the more that comes out I wonder what Lloyd could have done with the "resources" available to Tressel?

9 and 1 looks more and more hollow....just like JT's legacy

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April 25th, 2011 at 11:51 PM
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No doubt about it

The whole Tressel era is bogus.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:10 AM
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MGlobules
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well said,

Clarkie!

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April 26th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
(Reply to #12) #332
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His success

We want him fired because of how well he had done against us.  Its not like that is going to change in the next couple of years. (Although we are going to beat the Buckeyes maybe not next year but the year after that).

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April 25th, 2011 at 11:45 PM
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I'm sorry,

were you talking about hotdogs?

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:41 PM
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Herbstreit:

The only MSM Buckeye I can tolerate, Les Miles fiasco aside.

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
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That's a pretty big aside

And I think it was intentionally done to harm UM.

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
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Les

I don't think so - I think his sources were not good, that the situation was fluid and that he reported what he thought was true at the time.  Basically, he screwed up.

As for harming us, keeping Les out of AA was a favor.  As bad as the past three years were, Les would have been a bad move - do we really want someone of his character heading our team?  Say what you want about RR as a coach at Michigan (but please don't say it in response to this post, as that is not my point), but he certainly did not degrade the class of our program and throw individual players under the bus for his mistakes a la Les.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:43 PM
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ze rats--zey are abandoning ze

sinking ship! But I say. . . don't forget ze SS Lez Milez!

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:43 PM
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Herbstreit was right about one thing

The OSU fans have a mentality that everything is acceptable as long as the Suckeye's beat Michigan.  The head coach could be Jack The Ripper but they'd still defend him as longs as they win against us most of the time.  It's pretty pathetic when a school's football program or coach is more important to their fans and alumni than the overall school itself. 

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:58 PM
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To your average non-alum Buckeye (i.e. most of them)

You're probably right. But, I'm willing to bet that the majority of tOSU alumni are more concerned with the reputation of the school and the future of their alma mater's most visible program. It's unlikely that their reaction to the Tressel allegations is vastly different than what mine would be if the allegations were about Michigan.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:19 PM
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Let me guess...

You're not from Ohio.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
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Mi Sooner
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how coiuld you tell

was it that obvious....

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April 26th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
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fair warning
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tOSU alumni

I wonder if the immortal photo of that fat slobbering Buckeye fan with one malnourished slobbering Buckeye fan under each arm (yes, that photo) depicts alumni or just WalMart Buckeyes---which is kind of like asking one to contrast between the color red and the color red.  Either way, they'll probably trade program integrity for wins over M--or tats--any day of the week.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
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Blind Fan Support

I suppose this is true in most places, but since I moved to Ohio 15-16 years or so ago, I have noticed how this is VERY true in Ohio.   Certainly Buckeye Nation supports all things OSU no matter what, or at least until someone affiliated with the school has the audacity to speak or act against it.  They LOVED Maurice Clarett, until he turned on them and then they threw him under the bus.  Some grad student who tutored football players (maybe Clarett) went public with allegations that the school was essentially cheating for the student-athletes (surprise!) and she was then vilified.

Cleveland loved Albert Belle when he was an Indian, even though he was an asshole; after he left the Indians, they pointed out that he was an asshole.

LeBron seems like a special case to me; I actually think he did reveal himself to be an asshole.

Anyway, ongoing support for Tressel is just another example of blind, uncritical support for the home team down here in Ohio.  What is interesting is that there are actually a lot of people down here (including media types, fans who are personal friends, etc.) who have turned against Tressel because of his lies.  There is a surprising number of Ohioans who have had enough of him, especially after writing a book bragging about his integrity.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:48 PM
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It all comes down to ethics

Those OSU fans (in the minority) who stand for something higher and believe that OSU is about more than football, will voice their opinion against Coach Sweatervest.  The remaining rabble will stand with the slime who have dominated TSIO for decades.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:14 PM
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I spend a fair amount of time

I spend a fair amount of time in Ohio not too far from Columbus. I have been surprised by the number of OSU alums who feel Tressel should be fired and have felt that way since the press conference held in March.

If you read the comments in the Columbus Dispatch, a significant number of posters support dumping Tressel, probably way more than half, but that's just my guess.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:41 PM
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I always thougth Belle was an asshole.

To be fair, it was probably the roids' fault.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:11 AM
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I live in Columbus and by

I live in Columbus and by that most of my friends unfortunately have some allegience to TUOOS, may God have mercy on their souls.  That being said, I have not spoken to anyone in the last month or better that has not plainly stated that Tressel must go.  In fact, most TUOOS fans I know want him canned before the NCAA moves forward to mitigate damage to the program and the University.  It is embarrassing to all TUOOS fans whether they will admit it or not, just as it would be to Michigan fans.  With his success, Tressel would likely have surpassed Woody in TUOOS lore and the reactions will be defensive to say the least.  He is gone, it is a done deal.  TUOOS officials wont even use his name in interviews anymore.  The only decision that remains to be made by the athletic department is how to minimize the damage and how to fix Urban Meyer's apparent mental/cardiac health issues and get him to the sideline.

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April 26th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
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Reverse

I lived in C-town for 8 years, graduated from that school, and have plenty of friends there.  I am from NW Ohio where there is a pretty equal split of Michigan/OSU fans.  I have always been a Michigan fan.  Going down there and wearing my Michigan shirts was always a fun experience.  They always had a comment.  But that was when Michigan owned them...

I digress.  Not one friend of mine that is an OSU fan has told me they want Tressel fired/should be fired.  They don't care.  They're just happy Michigan keeps getting beat and feel like he doing what everyone else is doing, he just got caught.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:41 AM
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still waiting for LeBrons knee to explode

although him losing a year of his prime to a lockout would be entertaining as well

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:43 PM
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I think Kirk and Desmond

I think Kirk and Desmond Howard are both very good at being bias towards their alma matters...Unlike Lou Holtz who picks notre dame to win the national championship every year

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:44 PM
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Interesting, Herbie might be more welcomed on A2 than Cbus

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:44 PM
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Sorry, in instead of on

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
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Herbie in AA

He probably would be more welcomed there anyway, since people in AA are you know....sane.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:44 PM
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slight threadjack, but does

slight threadjack, but does anyone know where I could go read Buckeye fans spin on this?

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:47 PM
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Bucknuts for an "average

Bucknuts for an "average Buckeye fan" experience.

Elevenwarriors is closer to MGoBlog than it is to Bucknuts, but still not on par if you ask me.

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April 26th, 2011 at 8:39 AM
(Reply to #20) #356
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The Universe was speaking to me

I went to check out ElevenWarriors for myself to see what the way the delusional were reacting to all this.

Open New Tab --> Internet Explorer crashes --> Try FireFox --> Fire fox craps out on me...

Does this say anything about TSIO? They don't want people reading their panicking and tears.  But I finally got it to work and they are in fact as stated, delusional!

"Tressel should at most receive 1 more game.  A fine and 5 games was enough of a suspension"

SMH

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:48 PM
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Now

that is a flamewar I would love to witness firsthand.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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If you want real delusion

If you want real delusion and spin, go to Hineygate, the Buckeye's Scout affiliate.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:45 PM
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He's right about Buckeye Nation's reaction:

NOTHING BAD HAPPENED...

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:56 PM
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Sie werden nicht beleidigen

Sie werden nicht beleidigen Sweatervest!

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:50 PM
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Obviously he doesn't "get

Obviously he doesn't "get it."

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:50 PM
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First thing he'd do: Stop

First thing he'd do: Stop recruiting kids like Clarett and Pryor. I'm a little jealous Herbstreit was a Buckeye right now. Can't argue with anything he said.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
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greedy is as greedy does

Good grief, it's Pryor's fault Tressel lied repeatedly

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:16 PM
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Not so fast, my friend:

He had me until he said "people are being unfair to Jim Tressell's character".  Really?  What the hell???  Has Herbie been paying attention to Jimmy's career since YSU? 

I think he was trying to walk the line between calling it the way he sees it and being able to return to Columbus and escape with his life someday.  Still though...

 

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:51 PM
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(No subject)

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:14 PM
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Now that's FUNNY!

I'll send that off to the sports licensing department at TSIO.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:51 PM
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"He needs to stop recruiting

"He needs to stop recruiting players like Maurice Clarett and Terrelle Pryor."

Ouch.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:54 PM
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I know right?

He smacked up osu pretty good.

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April 25th, 2011 at 6:52 PM
#369
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I met Herbstreit

At halftime of the 97 Michigan vs Ohio State game. He was a pretty nice guy actually, and we spoke for 3 or 4 minutes. It was amazing how many people walked right by us not recognizing who he was.

Talking to him caused me to miss Woodson's interception early in the second half. (true story)

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
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Astounding Interview

I have to give Herbstreit credit for calling it the way he sees it.  To say "stop recruiting players like Clarett" takes no courage whatsoever.   But to call out the current starting QB of your alma mater as unworthy shows some real integrity.  He also, IMO, shows some true love for his school (as unloveable as that school may be to us).

I'm curious to see how this gets spun in the Columbus Dispatch, etc.  My guess is that many students at OSU will appreciate Herbstreit speaking out, while the non-alums will be buying pitchforks and lighter fluid, waiting for him to return.

Kirk - I officially forgive you for the Les Miles fiasco.  In fact, given what we now know about Les Miles and how he could well have been a divisive figure, thanks for the Les Miles fiasco too. 

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:27 PM
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for the homer dispatch spin

look no further than the Tim May interview on ESPN at http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6425980.  The Dispatch writers and many of the local yokels on TheFan here can be so blind.  "Unprecedented" punishment of 5 game days having to stay out of the 'shoe??  Yeah, since the rule 10.1 violators are usually fired or forced to resign, I guess that would make it unprecedented, Tim May.

When I lived in Chicago, I loved "Da Bears" skits on SNL, but the real life "Da Bucks" folks take the delusions to an entirely different level.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:14 AM
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A panel on the Ohio News

A panel on the Ohio News Network this evening was overall none to friendly to Tressel.  In fact, one of them made the comment that only one coach in D1 sports has ever committed equivalent actions and not been terminated.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
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Tim May / Chris Spielman Interview

Thanks for the link.  The most interesting part of that interview was watching Chris Spielman's take on the situation.  "As a fan I have a bad feeling ... about knowingly putting ineligible players on the field." 

I give Spielman a pass for not being more blunt (he's a good friend of Tressel's), but even he couldn't muster much of a defense for Tressel's actions.  He did adopt the comic "he did it for the kids" defense, but that was about it.

And Spielman, like Herbstreit and a few others, is in the basket of OSU player-alumni who I respect.

The "make the popcorn" comments cropping up in these threads are spot-on.  This is going to be quite a show. 

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
#374
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...fake-ass buckeye

...fake-ass buckeye

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:18 PM
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He fake as hell.

He fake as hell.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
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Studio Ass?

Studio-Ass Buckeye?

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:01 PM
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Herby...

I think he moved out of Columbus since he saw all of this coming down and could not remain a credible broadcaster if he remained there (sans a body guard for he and his family). I am a M fan living in the South and it is almost like the OSU fan heritage was part of the Confederacy.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
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The wheels

have completely fallen off the Buckeye bus. It was last seen skidding with a shower of sparks into a nursing home of OSU ulumni on nursery school visitation day.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:14 PM
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the only buckeye i like is

the only buckeye i like is moving to nashville

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:52 PM
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if you get the chance

buy him a beer.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:26 PM
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Herbie is so right about the

Herbie is so right about the John Cooper reference. 

I posted on MLive.com during the Cooper years and every day we were flooded with OSU trash despite the fact we beat them on the field year after year after year.  The most common comment from them in regards to Cooper was he should have never been hired to OSU because he "never understood the rivarly."  Not understanding the rivalry is why he could never beat Michigan.  Not understanding the rivalry was why he couldn't coach (despite winning a ton of games otherwise) and not understanding the rivalry was why he was a bad person.

All it takes is winning that game to decide what kind of person you are, how much support you get, and whether or not they'll have your back even when you get caught cheating.   

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:39 PM
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Wait, wait...

How OLD were you when posting during the Cooper days? That was a decade ago, and I thought you were not so old for someone with such a grasp on "History".

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
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FYI

This was a "how precocious ARE you?" post, not calling WH into doubt.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:21 AM
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I would estimate WH would be

I would estimate WH would be around MS/HS age in the Cooper era.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:47 AM
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I was 8 when Cooper was hired

I was 8 when Cooper was hired (1988) and 20 when he was fired (2000). 

I posted on MLive the last 3 years of the Cooper years from 98 - 00.  

My age is strangely fascinating to you folks.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
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I'm a year younger than

I'm a year younger than you...

I've followed your stuff for a pretty long time- before I knew of MGoBlog, I would watch your videos on YouTube.

The reason I mention those things is that before knowing how old you were, I totally assumed you were some dude in his 50's who figured out how to use YouTube and convert/upload all your old VHS tapes to YouTube.

Knowing that you're only about 30ish is kind of a surprise- considering your excellent work documenting Michigan Football...

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
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Yeah, I can see how all the

Yeah, I can see how all the VHS tapes could make people think I was old.  I'm probably the last person on the planet who still uses a VCR. 

The knowledge is purely me being a nerd and reading almost every book ever written about the history of Michigan football when I was a teenager.  I also had the CD Rom program that was released in the 90's.  Plus, I have a freakishly good memory when it comes to stats.  So, yeah.  Mystery solved.  Not a wise old man. 

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April 26th, 2011 at 6:02 PM
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Hi WH

I finally got my hands on a copy of Under The Tarnished Dome.  I'm only two chapters deep and my hair's already starting to stand on end.  I had no idea Lou Holtz was such a scumbag.  Don't Domers point to Holtz as the last Great ND Coach?

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April 26th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
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Doubtful

When his kid transfered from the school

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:33 PM
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I am at a point in my

I am at a point in my football watching life that if a kid has to choose between our progam and the program there in ohio that I would rather they just go there. Charatcer and morals are more important to me and if a kid is making the choice between to obviously different schools I would rather not have them. Just my opinion.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:46 PM
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yep you're right

we should stop recruiting James Ross right this instant, right?

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:57 PM
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You need to re-think this

You need to re-think this

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:59 PM
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I think you're judging these

I think you're judging these kids a little too harshly. How much perspective did you have at 17? How much in-depth fan knowledge (and bias) did you have at 17? Remember, in the past 20 years Michigan has had its basketball program blown up and its football program is on NCAA probation right now. If you think there aren't places in Ann Arbor where a player can go to get a free beer or a t-shirt, you're naive.

Kids typically go to a place near home where they feel a connection with a coaching staff. It helps if the school is a powerhouse that sends a lot of people to the NFL.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:54 PM
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But it would be nice if Chris

But it would be nice if Chris Wormley came to Michigan.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:36 PM
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If Tressel stayed on

at OSU would he really have any difficulty continuing to recruit with great success?

Herbstreit mentions Clarett and Pryor as players that should never have been recruited, but wasn't the writing already on the wall a little bit at YSU with Tressel? 

I cannot imagine OSU ever firing Jim Tressel.  He'll probably stay on as head coach until the President can't bear the sanctions anymore and they ask him to "pretty please with sugar on it" resign.

With all of the forces at work here, OSU admin, OSU fans, OSU alums, former Buckeye players, etc.,  this is going to be one long, drawn-out and painful process. 

It just goes to show that what goes around comes around and that nobody should ever get too cocky about anything.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:14 PM
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Great point about

YSU and all.  That said, I think this is and will continue to get bad enough that they will have to fire him.   When is the last time that a coach didn't get fired (or leave before punishment) after a team forfeits a season, a bowl, loses scholarships, and receives post season bans?  I cannot remember one.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:38 PM
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I agree, KH's quote  "it

I agree, KH's quote  "it would be hard to move ahead with jim tressel" directly means that he thinks tressel needs to go....I give KH a ton of credit, it takes huge balls to stand up against your alma matter and say that the head coach who has won or shared the big ten title just about every year hes been there and has taken them to 3 national championships should be fired....To you i applaud good sir

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:45 PM
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It must be easier & refreshing for Herbstreit to speak his mind

from 400 miles away in a new Nashville zip code.

 

 

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
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Pryor..

How ****img happy are we that Pryor didn't come to Michigan?

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:49 PM
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Very happy

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:29 PM
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Hail Hail Terelle

Hail Hail Terelle

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:52 PM
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We talked about North

We talked about North Columbus in Urban Policy tonight. Columbus City Center Mall and High Street and Near North and whatnot. I was like, damn if BlueDragon were here I wouldn't need to take notes and could get back to writing Tressel haiku's.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
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Actually

Its the Short North and City Center doesn't exist. Don't know of it is a psl yet, but it will be soon.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
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Short North

Knew I didn't take good enough notes...and yea, City Center was knocked down. The guy giving the guest lecture saw it from concept to demolition, pretty interesting story.

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April 25th, 2011 at 11:03 PM
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I heart City Center

It only makes perfect sense to construct a mall like a fortress downtown to keep all the bums and customers away.  Plus they had ample parking in this sneaky underground lair that connected directly to the mall so you never had to walk on the street or breathe in the vapors.

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April 25th, 2011 at 11:08 PM
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You know it. Apparently the

You know it. Apparently the guys with final cut modeled it off a place in Indianapolis that had very few geographic similarities, but yea...not the brightest idea.

You're from up north in the city right? He was raving about that whole part of town and the revitalization that its gone through in the last 20-30 years.

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April 26th, 2011 at 1:22 AM
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Yeah, North side of Columbus is pretty good.

Dublin in the Northwest, Worthington north, Westerville to the northeast (I don't invent things, I just report them).  There's a lot of high-quality high school football that goes down, as well as a ton of other sports.  There are also some genuinely historic suburbs in addition to the customary high-grade urban sprawl.  Music in the public schools is pretty well-established, and Tuttle Mall is good also--that's middle west side, on the Dublin/Hilliard border; 15-20 minute drive to Polaris or Easton on the highways.  There are plenty of parks and rec-type activities to do with your kids.

The downside is the trains.  You can hear them almost anywhere in the city, four or five times a day.  Sometimes they come through at night.  As I type this, I am less than a mile from the nearest railroad track to my house.  On my walks, I've seen the trains travelling north with 30, 40, 50 cars full of coal.  My guess is they're heading out to Cleveland/Youngstown to feed what's left of heavy industry there.

There are some genuinely terrible areas downtown.  One time I mixed up 6th Avenue with 6th Street and wound up getting lost in this very run-down area.  I think I saw maybe two people on the street the whole time I was trying to find my way around.  Most buildings were boarded up, there were few streetlights, and there were a lot of weeds growing in the sidewalks and parking lots.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:19 PM
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bulldozer-based city planning

ah, a city full of case studies in what not to do.  Downtown malls with no other life or nightlife around them, then support creation of competing malls around the periphery of the metro area, outside the reach of urban transit, and watch the shiny mall and all around it empty out, only to be flattened to the ground and be replaced by an expensive park.  Then do the same thing to regional shopping areas and other malls and leave acres and acres of vacant land as everyone flees further and further out.  No wonder the biggest promotion at the airport gift shops are Cow Tipping tee-shirts....

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
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"case studies in what not to do."

So funny this is what you say, our assignment was to read "12 Steps to Revitalize a Downtown" and he got there and told us that the more important thing was "12 Steps Not to Take to Revitalize a Downtown"...that was the whole point of his lecture.

He hit on Columbus pretty hard for City Center (though he's a bit biased since it was partially his project) and a couple other cities for doing similar things. Interesting ideas, though I'm not sure how much I agree about some of it.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:45 AM
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You sir...

are dead on.

 

And too think how bummed out i was the day he decided to go there.

 

EDIT:  I was responding to post #83, not sure why it landed where it did.

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:42 PM
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My other comment is that

for a young 18 year old having tons of "mentors" advising him including Charlie Batch and others, he sure screwed things up for Ohio State, and for what??  Some sweet tats on his arms and shoulders.  Woody Hayes would have smacked a kid like that into next week. 

 

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April 26th, 2011 at 2:28 AM
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Or punched him in the neck

Or punched him in the neck into next week!

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April 25th, 2011 at 7:43 PM
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Darn good thing Herbie moved to Nashville....great interview but I'm sure they are going to burn him in effigy!!

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:03 PM
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OSU just got slammed

I have a newfound respect for Herbstreit. I can't argue against anything he said, and I definitely can't wait for Pryor to look like an ass yet again when he reacts to this.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:41 PM
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YOU'VE GONE AND BROKEN THE

YOU'VE GONE AND BROKEN THE INTERNET

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:43 PM
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whoops

I didn't mean to.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:39 PM
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I feel like General Zod

I feel like General Zod trapped in that trapezoid thing.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:20 AM
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Never

Divide by zero...

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April 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
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Amend thy signature

For it fucketh everything up.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:28 PM
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This

And he kept UM from getting les miles?

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:36 PM
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Agree with the respect

Agree with the respect Herbstreit has gotten (from me, at least).  The Cooper bit got a good chuckle out of me.

To me, Tressel got stuck in a lose-holyshitlose situation.  Pryor and co. were stupid enough to violate an NCAA rule and put Tressel in a bind:  If Tressel stepped up and notified compliance, who knows what would have happened.  Once news broke out of Pryor and co. doing what they did, you'd be getting countless threads and news reports about how Tressel isn't promoting a "good atmosphere" and blahblahblah.  That's the risk you choose to take if you recruit characters like him:  Outstanding potential--both good and bad. 

I'm curious if Tressel is becoming a martyr for OSU.  If he falls on the sword (like I think he will), the NCAA might deem giving Tressel the boot and vacating the 2010 season to be enough.  OSU's name would remain relatively intact.  If this scenario actually occurs and OSU throws Tressel under the bus, I will hate OSU more than the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

Any thoughts?

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:03 PM
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Not enough

Need a post season ban of at least two years.  One to make up for last bowl game with ineligible players and one as punishment.

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April 25th, 2011 at 8:39 PM
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The media doesn't decide who

The media doesn't decide who gets fired.  I don't think anyone in Columbus is listening.  As long as Tressel continues to win he can rape helpless one-eyed homeless penguins on primetime television and they'll still look the other way. 

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:31 PM
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posted from iPhone

On the other hand, one-eyed homeless penguins are getting out of hand. Maybe tressel is just helping his community out.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:20 AM
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Do you really think they

Do you really think they would show that on television?

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:01 PM
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I'd love to see what that

I'd love to see what that fuckin weasel Robert Smith has to say.  Hate that guy and his pro-tOSU slant.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:50 PM
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He basically said

he should be fired

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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He said

"I don't know how [Tressel] sits in the living room of a recruit and says OSU is all about doing things the right way, and with integrity"

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April 26th, 2011 at 10:46 AM
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Amazing

Assuming you aren't making that up...I think Tressel is toast.  If the Weasel can't come to his defense nobody can and I think the school is just laying the groundwork to whack him.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:07 PM
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I think Tressel...

...is gone. How can they excuse this and retain any semblance of credibility? He's a dead man walking.

 

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:10 PM
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Ruh Roh...

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:16 PM
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Unbelievable

Here is the general consensus on BuckeyeSports:

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Posted: Today 4:57 PM

Re: Herbie is a douchebag 


Yes this is an unprecedented statement and another example of Benedict Arnold in action.

Where was the outcry for Reggie Bush who took hundreds of thousands from agents? No outcry just love for his ability.

Where was the outcry when Albert Means took 250k from a Bama booster? No outcry just love for the SEC.

AJ Green? No criticism.

Dez Bryant? No criticism.

You could go on and on and on.

But Herbie says OSU should stop recruiting these guys LOL. What a douchebag.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:40 AM
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Holy Crap

Some Mich fan just raped that Herbstreit thread

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April 26th, 2011 at 2:20 AM
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16 year olds

from New Jersey FTW!

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April 26th, 2011 at 1:28 AM
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Buckeye tears are the

Buckeye tears are the sweetest and most delicious in the B1G.  Mmmm.  Yummy.

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April 25th, 2011 at 9:39 PM
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This, ultimately, is going to

This, ultimately, is going to be a death by 1000 cuts, and I think we are at about cut #788 right now.

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April 25th, 2011 at 10:13 PM
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On Twitter:
K_Herbstreit Kirk Herbstreit: @zoforeman hey jackass. Look around--the whole world is "ripping" osu. Its called reality. Wake up
 
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The dirty laundry is being aired out in public now.
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April 26th, 2011 at 12:37 AM
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I actually feel bad for

I actually feel bad for Herbie. He's always been fair in his evaluations (good and bad) of OSU. He's put more heart and sweat into that Univeristy than 98% of  fans and the alumni of OSU ever did,and that's how he's treated?? Sure he was harsh with some words today, but he can obviously tell most OSU fans don't understand the seriousness of the matter and the damage it has permanetly done to the reputation of OSU.

Living in Ohio, I can tell you 90% of fans are just as rabid, blindly loyal, and pathetic as everyone makes them out to be. I mean just read some of these OSU blogs, half of the people there still haven't come to the fact that Tressel flat out lied and don't realize how low that makes the University look.

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April 26th, 2011 at 1:40 AM
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April 26th, 2011 at 6:04 PM
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This makes me think of

This makes me think of William Tell Overture for some reason.  Maybe it's the cowboy boot styling on the prosthetic foot.

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April 26th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
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Hard to imagine him anywhere

Hard to imagine him anywhere in 2012 if he gets fired for major violations, unless he wants to go a MAC or equivalent.

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April 26th, 2011 at 9:41 AM
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Vacate Wins

So as far as records go, if osu's 2010 season is "vacated" what does that mean?  Do that mean that all of their games in 2010 are counted as losses to the teams that they played?

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
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When Herbstreit sold his

When Herbstreit sold his house, I had a feeling that he would eventually say something like this.  He wouldn't be able to say this stuff if he still lived in Columbus.  He is already persona non grata there for being overly critical of OSU on ESPN (in their eyes, at least). 

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April 26th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
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culture of delusion

The OSU fans I’ve encountered in my adventures tend to mostly be on the “eyes to the ground” and “mumble incoherently” side of things when discussing Tresselgate but, man, those with a less than firm grip on reality seem to have gone straight off the cliff.  I recently had a pretty entertaining exchange with my father-in-law during which he told me that not only should Tressel not be punished but instead commended because of how he went above and beyond to “protect his players”.  Also, apparently the whole thing was really just a farce after how RR “really got away with one”.  After checking to make sure that there weren’t any hidden cameras and Kelso from the 70s show wasn’t around the corner I quietly excused myself, not wanting to further contribute to the mental deterioration of another human being. 

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