OT - Greatest Athletes of All Time

Submitted by Clarence Beeks on
Did anyone else catch the incredibly absurd thing (in my opinion) said by the NBC color commentator after the men's 100M final last night: "The list of greatest athletes of all time has to be Ali, Jordan, Bolt...and maybe Michael Phelps." My take: For real NBC guy? If Michael Phelps isn't on the list of greatest athletes of all time there should be no lists. What the...? So what say you? What's your list of greatest athletes of all time, all sports?

Wolverine4545

August 15th, 2016 at 7:05 AM ^

Greatest athletes can do more than just run in a straight line or swim. The greatest athletes could perform at a high level in multiple sports. For me, it's Bo Jackson. Bolt is the greatest sprinter, Phelps is the greatest swimmer, but let's not confuse them with the greatest athletes.



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LBSS

August 15th, 2016 at 10:33 AM ^

For this reason, Ashton Eaton, world record holder in the decathlon, is the greatest athlete of all time. Here are his event results from his WR performance at the world championships last year:

  • 100m: 10.23 (fastest ever for a decathlete at the world championships)
  • long jump: 7.88m
  • shot put: 14.52m
  • high jump: 2.01m
  • 400m: 45.00 (fastest ever for a decathlete in any competition)
  • 110m hurdles: 13.69
  • discus: 43.43m
  • pole vault: 5.20m
  • javelin: 63.63m
  • 1500m: 4:17.52

That is insane. Those performances would have put him among the leaders of the individual event finals of the 100, 110 hurdles, 400 pole vault, javelin, discus, and long jump at the most recent NCAA championships. He would have won the 400 and placed second in the 100. 

QED.

Well...Well...Well

August 15th, 2016 at 10:43 AM ^

If you take his personal bests in each event - he tacks on almost 500 points to his decathlon score. No doubt a tremendous track athlete.

I think the decathlon is a good event in this debate because it combines a mix of events requiring strength, speed, agility, cardio (to a lesser degree - though you can argue that the level of fitness required to complete 10 events over two days itself is a key component of the event).

One problem with using decathlon is that other sports do not have an equivalent event. Triathlon might come close - but the focus is more on cardiovascular endurance than say strength or agility. Would be interesting to see if other sports could come up with an "equivalent". Maybe combine swimming/diving into a competition. 

 

PB-J Time

August 15th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^

I strongly agree. The moniker "Greatest athlete in the world" has been associated with the decathlon for quite awhile, and rightly so. I understand there are wonderful athletes in more popular sports (Bo, Lebron, Pele, etc.) but having strength, speed & coordination be the hallmarks of an athlete, the decathlon measures this better than any singular sport. So aside from Bo, who was incredible, no one else IMO can really be in discussion than someone who has demonstrated dominance in such a multi-facited, multi-disciplined sport

jabberwock

August 15th, 2016 at 9:24 AM ^

what other sports did Ali, Jordan, Pele, or Gretsky dominate?

Sometimes you just have to be the GOAT in your own sport.  
Putting some arbitrary standard of multi-sport success as criteria doesnt make any sense.

Whether Barry Sanders could swim or whether Michael Phelps can hit a fastball are irrelevant.

LSAClassOf2000

August 15th, 2016 at 8:08 AM ^

It might have been nearly a decade ago now, but I think there is some footage of him at least trying to catch some passes from Eli Manning for the hell of it - I don't remember it being a formal tryout though. There were a lot of articles written around that time speculating about how he would fare as an NFL receiver, what his combine stats would look like, etc...but I don't think it ever got much beyond that. There is a story out there about how Ted Ginn claims to have beaten Bolt in a race once though.

ijohnb

August 15th, 2016 at 7:26 AM ^

2. Michael Jordan. 3. Serena Wiiliams. 4. Tiger Woods. 5. Babe Ruth. 6. Ali 7. Michael Phelps. 8. Pele. 9. Gretzky 10. Jerry Rice

ijohnb

August 15th, 2016 at 7:53 AM ^

thought the same thing but then I developed a random fascination with horse racing after reading Sea Biscuit. (I do that some times, other random obsessions range from Mt. Everest to the Challenger Disaster, it really could be anything).  Race horses are in some ways the most natural form of athlete.  They are bred and trained from birth to compete.  They develop a real and sometimes highly aggresive competitive streak. They are in fact so competetive that they have to be seperated from rival horses during training and races. They are acutely aware when they when or lose, and many times ignore directives from Jockeys and develop their own stradegy in the middle of races. 

I know it is a subject of jest "controversy" but I very much believe them to be athletes.

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Brewers Yost

August 15th, 2016 at 8:30 AM ^

Man 'o War right up there with Secretariat.

I recommend reading Eclipse by Nicholas Clee. Fascinating story and a lot of information regarding the history of the thoroughbred.



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teldar

August 15th, 2016 at 8:26 AM ^

Greatly disagree. He hit a stationary ball, rode a cart to it, and hit it again. I don't see him as an all time great athlete because he was good at golf. Sorry. What else did Tiger dominate? Maybe i just don't know enough about him, but i don't see a golfer as an all time great athlete. Would put any professional basketball or hockey player (guys who play, not just fighters or grinders, but can skate and shoot) above him as an athlete, for athletic ability, unless someone can tell me he could have gone pro in something else.

ijohnb

August 15th, 2016 at 9:06 AM ^

not trying to be rude just to do it, but this is a very ignorant post.  Let me know when professional golfers start riding carts, and is your measure of athletic greatness whether an all time great in one sport could also be so in another?  Seriously?

Tiger Woods was the best golfer ever to live(Jack included) and changed the way entire generations of golfers played and approached the game.  He had shots that nobody who has ever played the game had, and was the most physically dominant and imposing figure to ever play the game.

On the other hand, if your primary argument is that golf "is not a sport," than your post is ever worse than I originally thought and does not warrant a response.

pdgoblue25

August 15th, 2016 at 9:24 AM ^

He finished 4 majors short of that mark.  I will give credit to Tiger because he is the reason the game is in such good shape today.  This new generation of players is so good because they wanted to be Tiger Woods.

Having said that, in my opinion Tiger dominated a very weak field.  Go ahead and look at the people Tiger beat, and better yet look at the Ryder Cup teams during the late 90s and early 2000s, it's pathetic.

Tiger's 2007 PGA championship he was able to hold off Woody Austin, 2006 PGA he beat Shaun Micheel, 2006 Open Championship Chris DiMarco, 2008 US Open Rocco Mediate, 2005 Masters Chris DiMarco.  Those 4 guys combined have 14 wins and 1 major, not exactly murder's row.  Jack did his damage against guys like Tom Watson, Gary Player, and Arnold Palmer.  Tiger was not better than Jack.

ijohnb

August 15th, 2016 at 9:27 AM ^

am not going to tell you that Tiger played against as good of a field as Jack did, but he did not play against a field as weak as you believe he did.  The difference was that Tiger came along and made the older generation of player obsolete, and was so good he made absolute first class players appear pedestrian.  Phil was of age and near his prime, Els was performing at the top of his game during Tiger's reign.  Many golfers of Tiger's time ended being also rans, but that was because of Tiger Woods, not independent of him.  Other players who are among the greatest of all time (Faldo, Norman) saw what Tiger Wood could do and basically hung up their clubs.

 

ijohnb

August 15th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^

not going to argue that point either way as it is all conjecture, but I can tell you that steroids would not do a whole lot for you in golf.  In fact, Tiger's bulk up had a notable negative impact on his golf game.  He hit the ball as far as he ever did when he was a string bean 21 year old using a steel on steel Titlest driver at August in 97.

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pdgoblue25

August 15th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^

I don't think steroids made him hit the ball any farther.  What I do think steroids do is make you physically feel better on an everyday basis.  You're able to continue training, practicing, have more energy on the course.  It would absolutely be an advantage if by the 17th hole on the last day you physically feel better than everyone else in the field.

I give him credit for making this change to his body because he saw it as an advantage, but I also think he's a cheat.

Oregon Wolverine

August 15th, 2016 at 10:46 AM ^

Golf is not a sport, it is a game of skill akin to bowling (someone going to nominate Earl Anthony?), darts, and auto racing.

Gold could be made a sport if you put the players on a tight clock and made them run from shot to shot, same way you turn target shooting (game of skill) into a sport by adding cross country skiing (biathlon).



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