OT: Games of Thrones 6/2/13
You identified with Robb Stark?
But in fairness, the TV character was much more identifiable than the book's was, although I still was not sorry to see him go. This episode really didn't disappoint with the Red Wedding. I'm impressed.
There are honorable characters or characters who redeem themselves left on this show. I would say keep watching, but it seems like you already made up your mind.
He was so honorable he broke the one vow that would not only doom him but his people, his legacy, his entire army, along with his family? OK.
There is much left to go.
LOL Robb more honorable than Daenerys, or Bran, or Jon, or Davos? Ok......
TBH you can't become attached to any character in the series. We do know that in the end someone from the Targaryen line has to survive and someone from the Stark line has to survive... it's the song of ice(stark) and fire(targaryen). Whether that someone is an individual descending from both lines or two separate characters no one really knows... there's candidates for both theories.
As a counter-point, I've heard theories that suggest that the song of Ice and Fire refers to The White Walkers/The Others and the dragons. If that's the case, there isn't anyone who needs to survive.
There is a lot left to be revealed.
This is going to sound bitter but mindset like yours is, in my opinion, why there is so much crap and entertainment and it is all so alike. Yeah its nice to have stories where the good guys win despite everything realistic pointing against it, but sometimes it doesn't just all end up ok too and because of reactions like this those storylines are not successful and don't get made. You have to remember this season is only half a book, there is much more time for things to be balanced out and there are still plenty of interesting characters left. You don't care what happens Arya? What plays out north of the wall? Who winds up on the throne? Let alone the fact that tyrion is an awesome character and you still have dany and the dragons. What about the three leeches? one has already come through and there are still two names left. Three main characters have died in three seasons now, Ned, Catelyn, and Robb, its not even that many when you think about it. In short stop wanting everything to work out happily so that can feel better at the expense of a better story.
Well, that's one way to write. But if the hero always survives, you know that no matter what hardships he goes through, he's never really in peril, because he's going to triumph.
Ned Stark would have been that hero - he was honorable, a man of his word. But things aren't black and white in Martin's world, he's not writing a typical heroic fantasy, and when Ned got his head chopped off, you knew it.
"haven't been paying close enough attention"
quote of quote sums it up rather nicely
There's a bunch of other great characters, like tywin, ygritte and Jon snow, you can like. You stuck with the show after Ned, why let this put you off?
LOL
You know nothing, Jon Snow.
"The plots just feel cheap. There is literally zero payoff."
And that is where you lost me forever.
I will say this. Have there been other occassions where you watch a movie or TV show and say to yourself, "WTF??? Why would anyone do that???" Like when the Bond villain after Bond villain, instead of shooting Bond dead when they have the chance, they go on about this or that and set up some elaborate scheme to kill him only to see if him escape? That REALLY drives me nuts because that is a really cheap way to keep your "hero" alive. Well, GOT does not do that. If someone gets in a really difficult situation, they usually get killed. No ifs and or buts. You gotta give some props for that.
I 100% agree. It sucks and it's sad. But there's still a ton of great characters left in the show.
Good guys don't always win, but wtf they don't ever win in this series. It's just one big shitstorm. I swear i'm done with this series, I have lost all interest. There is no reward or payoff for being interested in any of the personal stories..the writer seems only interested in shock value.
Because this series isn't fantasy.... Where did I say no one should die? I said there is no payoff and there is none. The Starks and their armies are gone. The children don't interest me, neither does Danerys. Of course the Lannisters will crush themselves from within because that is all that is left. But I don't care enough to stick around another season for it. GRR is a shock jock and honestly I think the man is sick in the head.
can you say there is no pay-off? Do you realize how good of an episode of television that was? Game of Thrones is operating at a higher level than any show has, and possible higher than any movie has in quite some time. The fact that it "shocked" does not make him a "shock-jock." You feel the way that you do because he constructed characters that good in the first place. You feel the way that you do because the show is that good. It actually makes you feel something.
Clearly you haven't bothered to read the books, or really pay attention to the show, killing characters isn't for shock value its to drive the story foreward, its not like this is the final season. If ned doesn't die robb never takes his armies south and you don't have any conflict or seasons 2 and 3. Now the north is leaderless and as they say, winter is coming, that could mean some major ramifications for the entire world depending on what is going on with the whitewalkers.
Your point will never get across to people who just want some quick pay off.
In reality that is rarely the case, GRRM was trying to keep it somewhat realistic (even though there be dragons).
OMG This episode was absolutely ridiculous, such a crazy episode. I can't believe what I just saw
I knew it was coming.
It shocked me when I read the books...I believe I actually threw the damn book across the room. Later, I realized what a brilliant move it was to set a whole new course of events into motion.
When I read that chapter in the book, my reaction was basically 'DAAAAAAAAAAMN...ok, now what? I have to see what happens next..."
Eight years ago my mom called me asking why my sister was crying. That scene had such a huge impact on me.
It MIGHT be an hour + 10 minutes, tops. Definitely not 2 hours, I wouldn't think.
Yeah...this show (and the season) goes by by way, way too quickly.
Not a fan of the TV series.
Unrelated - I rather just watch Spartacus
This show is unreasonably good
And NSFW, so I won't post it, but one of the other scenes actually in the show.
As I mentioned in the post you responded to, I screwed up the title of the episode in the OP, as is pointed out in the first post. Don't know why I had "winds" on my mind, but whatever. I didn't change it because it would make the first post look off, and he was right.
Once the doors closed and the song started playing, I immediately knew they weren't getting out of there alive.
Shocked anyway. But I'd imagine non-readers must have shit themselves.