Fish filleted some might say.
OT: Game of Thrones season finale
I can't think of any character in movie or television that I have hated more than Joffrey and that is saying something, because I have watched a ton of both in my time. For a kid of his age, he has shown some amazing talent as he has envoked such anger with the character he portrays. I have to stop every now and then and remind myself that he's an actor and playing a part because my feelings of distan for him are so intense I want to throw something at the tv every time he comes on.
Also, I I agree with the on to boarwalk empire. I really enjoy that show as well, though for me it pales in comparison to GoT.
I have been fascinated by his character since season one and I'm starting to like him more and more. You can tell he cares for Arya.
Also, I love when Tywin told Joffrey to take a nap.
One of the few people in Westeros where what you see is what you get. Arya gets paired with great male counterparts and they're all working really well in the show.
the interaction betwen the Hound first with Sansa and later with Arya is textbook perfect writing on character development...
The Hound is excellent. Perfect example of an antihero IMO. He started being one of my favorite characters when it started becoming clear how much he liked Sansa. Even though I don't even actually like Sansa very much.
I affinity for the hound has grown dramatically since he first entered the story back in season one. It started with Little Finger telling Sansa the story of how he came to be scarred that started to turn my opinion of him. Almost immediately from there he jumped between Loras Tyrell and his brother to save Loras from certain death.
Then he takes on the role of protector to Sansa even though it was given him in any offical capacity, and because he is the hound you always think there is something sinister about that, yet time and again he proves there is nothing sinister there. Now, with Arya he has done the same and I keep finding myself hoping that these people in the story that he encounters will see what we as the audience see and learn to appreciate him for what he is...but alas, Arya still wants his head on a stick.
Sorry for the rambling, but I really do have a soft spot for both the Hound and Tyrion...Characters most people probably dislike.
Tyrion definitely has his flaws (who doesn't) but I find him to be one of the more likeable characters. If he were anything like the rest of his family sans Jaime he would have tried to get Sansa pregnant already.
Tyrion is definitely one of the most popular characters in the books, if not the most popular.
Arya and the Hound both talk as though they can't stand each other, but consistently act like allies if not friends.
I wouldn't go so far as "friends." Arya can't really let go of the whole Mycah thing. Her distrust of the Hound, I think, is genuine. And his nature doesn't help, because he's incapable of saying nice things. Still, the Arya/Sandor portions of the book were some of the best, because it seems to be clear that the ransom isn't the only reason the Hound wants to get Arya back where she belongs, and Arya needed a little lesson in trusting people who she doesn't like.
The only pity is that that particular story arc leads to one of my favorite Arya moments in the whole series, and it can't and won't happen in the show.
But to just leave it like that makes me think....ew.
I'm not one of those people that thinks all my favorite characters should have sex.
Even I'm trying to think of what you are talking about. I can't think of anything that can't happen in the show. The one thing that I think you may be talking about is something that I expect them to do in episode1 next season.
The only hint I can think of without giving it away for people who still want surprises from the books is it's a scene where Arya asks somebody (not the Hound) some questions. It was similar to a scene that happened in the last episode, but with a different setting. The specific difference that makes it impossible in the show happened in season two.
Here's a link with spoilers that summarizes the chapter from whence it comes.
Ok, I guess I just figured that the scene in the show was meant to replace the other one since a certain someone in that bunch died in the show already. Going with the idea that it had already happened, I couldn't think of anything else that can't happen for her. I hope that makes sense. We really need to start splitting these threads into spoilers and no spoilers.
you just have to accept it for what it is...
For me, the chapter you are describing is my favorite in the entire series. Knowing I won't see it on screen doesn't kill it for me though... like I said, I have made my peace with the different formats...
I have to admit the "replacement" scene was almost as good. "Next time you're going to do that, tell me first." Classic Hound.
Is there anybody who doesn't like Tyrion?
but in the first two seasons I found many people who I talk to in real life (as opposed to mesage boards) hated Tyrion simply because the Starks did and the fact he was a Lannister. Much of his redeeming qualities only cme forth in the early stages of season two but I like the guy from the beginning. His sense of humor is awesome and he continuously proves to be smarter than anyone else in the books/series. So yeah, at this point probably everyone loves Tyrion, but I would venture that wasn't always the case (at least with the people I speak about the show with).
I can't say how he's portrayed in the books, but most I heard seemed to think Mama Stark was a crazy bitch screwing everything up by blaming him. I would guess a lot is the character, but also a lot is Peter Dinklage who is pretty brilliant. I mean he won the Emmy in his first season (and Golden Globe after that) so he had to be doing something right from the start. Before Dany went from kinda whiny and entitled to QUEEN Tyrion was kind of the protagonist of the whole thing (especially after Ned took his leave). I'm not seeing what there was not to like. But I believe you when you say you found people who did manufacture some stuff.
I love the Hound. More even in the books, but he's been great in the show too.
I thought almost every scene was quite magnificent and did a good job of catching up the show to the books to set up season 4..
There were about 5 or 6 major major plot points in the book that as yet had not been covered by the show that all were covered in this episode and this episode felt like one in which the moral compass of every single remaining character was exposed.
The part involving Asha was slightly different, but meets the same end and Jaime being back in town with Brienne might change a couple things, but shouldn't be a big deal. Other than that, all the loose ends are tied up and the show is back to being true to the book. The only part that was a little out of place for me was the useless banter between Davos and Gendry regarding Mel.. if they had used that time instead for Davos to recant the story about the siege of Storm's End that would have been marvelous.
For the non-book readers, Asha is Yara (Theon's sister). The writers changed the name from the books since it sounds too much like Osha (the wildling with Bran and Rickon).
Maybe the Greyjoys aren't a complete waste.
Jamie arrives in KL with Brienne in the books as well. What is different here?
in the books he arrives after Joffery's wedding...
it will change some scenery but shouldn't matter much...
sidenote: I did find out last week that there are currently four characters in the series that are dead on the show and alive in the books... I won't spoil anything, but I will not that as we go further I am accepting the changes much better than I was even a couple weeks ago; The frustration that some people feel over changes can drain their enjoyment of the show, which is ultimately an adaptation, nothing more, nothing less.
I'm glad to hear they're not following them too closely. I plan to wait until the show is over before I start the books (hopefully they'll be done by then as well) and I'd like it to be a new experience to some degree.
They may die next season which would still be considered based on the 3rd book so I don't know if you should really consider them deviating from the books. I do miss some of the characters they had to leave out though, particularly Strong Belwas who would have been more entertaining than Daenerys' other advisors.
I should clarify: they are alive going into book six. I heard it on an interview with GRRM, and one in particular comes back to play a much bigger part... but like I said, it is what it is.
I really honestly cannot recall who you are talking about... From every storyline I remember from book 5, at least. I think the show has tied up all the loose ends, really. Maybe by 'dead' you mean absent from season 3?
Spoiler alert: Do not open link unless you want an answer to the question above:
Look under the heading:
Minor changes: differences in naming, appearance, and age
One of the people under that (name starts with R) has been mentioned by GRRM as having a larger part in Winds of Winter. So, we have a dead character from the series who plays a role much later in the books...
hope that makes sense. I didn't want to spoil anything.
Ermmmm ok, thanks for the clarification!
From my reading of the books, I will say that I personally don't think it's a big deal and anyway, most of those deaths happened in Season 1 and Season 2. Regarding PP from Q, there are numerous other characters from Q that can fill in... also Q from Q might be able to do that since we don't know if they are a good/bad character in the books, even.
I would argue that Jaime and Brienne being back in town now instead of later has the potential to change a lot of things. Granted, they are things that can be easily written around, but there are going to be things that have to change because of the timing. Honestly, what I think they will do with it is a good twist, so I'm not complaining, but it's still a pretty major change from the books.
I think that perhaps one possible reason the showrunners wanted to change the timing of the return is to invent a bunch of scenes not in book 3 as filler for the fourth season. Just like they've shown us conversations between Cersei & Jaime that never occurred in the books in earlier seasons, by having the reunion come before Jeoffrey's wedding as opposed to after it allows the showrunners to have these great characters in the Lannister family all have scenes where they play off of each other and interact with each other, like we did on the show last night, even if they weren't moments from the books.
I love this show, my only fear is that they'll catch up to Martin before he can finish the novels. He needs to just be locked in a room until he finishes.
I've seen an interview where GRRM basically said, one thing he liked about writing the books before the show was that he didn't feel any pressure to finish in a certain timeframe, and now that there's a show, that pressure is there. So he does seem to feel a need to move things along. Whether that actually translates into results, I don't know. I guess if I absolutely had to say yes or no, I think it would help in at least getting Winds of Winter out by perhaps the end of next year, which would be much quicker than the rest of the books.
That's the new mode of TV show running. the next ti last episode is for the 'holy shit' moments. The finale is to wrap up loose ends and project the story forward. It's been true of the Sopranos, the Wire, Mad Men, etc.
Warning: spoilers below for those who haven't seen the Wire
For the Wire, the next to last episode contained the narrative climax of each season, except for maybe the 5th (though arguably there too, I've only watched that season once, though, so I don't remember it as well).
Season 1. Wallace killed. D'Angelo turns against the game (this is the episode with the "Where the fuck is Wallace" speech).
Season 2. Sobotka arrested and then killed, the event that triggers the final collapse of the union.
Season 3. Stringer turns against Avon. Stringer killed.
Season 4. Michael joins Marlo's crew. Freamon discovers the bodies.
I completely agree with those rankings/descriptions of the shows.
Was watching Mad Men tonight and Michigan track and the Big Ten got a reference. Pretty sweet...
Tonight's Mad Men episode was fantastic. It's nice being able to watch two of the best shows on TV back to back!
1.) Sally Draper NOOOOOOOOOOO
2.) I really want to figure out why Ford is trolling GM through Mad Men and how this is all going to play out. They have force fed us those 60's/70's era Lincoln ads all season during commercial breaks and Chevy is the headline account for the firm in the show? That has to blow up at some point. That or I just don't know what they're going for here.
Kiernan Shipka (Sally) had an amazing performance, and of course so did Jon Hamm (Don) like always. Both should win emmys, IMO. It's going to be an interesting final two episodes. I would have to think either Sally will tell Betty or Megan before this season's end. Also....I hope there's a bigger secret revealed about Bob Benson other than he's gay, because of that was the big mystery around him, then come on Weiner!
I also think we should start a Mad Men discussion thread for the next 2 episodes, now that GOTs is over for the season,
does anyone have a link, i am having an unusually hard time finding one?
Finally, enjoy friends: http://filenuke.com/bvcs5s3vq7iu
My expectations were low, no way they could follow up last episode, it was what I expected. Now to tackle these 1200 page books. Now onto The Newsroom.
this was the best episode ever... seriously; there was a lot of the stuff in this episode that was alluded to or outright not part of the books and for once I think it all filled out the story.
I did not think we would see the wolfhead or any more of Ramsey (who is pushing the bounds of how much i can tolerate in one arc).
What i enjoyed the most was the personal developement of the characters, I felt like it filled out a lot of the missing pieces of the story as a whole.
Can't wait for next year!
So what was the point of the Gendry meeting up with Stanis plotline? To explain the king deaths?