Ignorant fools. This was in Oakland, not to HIS games.
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Ignorant fools. This was in Oakland, not to HIS games.
what are you tryin to say here?
but could you imagine if a fan threw a banana onto the court at a player during an nba game? shit can get bad here, but that's on a different level.
Edit: since many people here don't follow soccer, i'm talking about a fan throwing a banana at barcelona player dani alves while he was setting up to take a corner kick.
There's also a BBC documentary on radical nationalism surrounding soccer, and it that gets particularly bad in Eastern Europe. I lived in Europe several times and can attest to that. Teams fans divide themselves along class, religious, and ethnic lines and then bring all that baggage to the games.
Living in Europe now and it's bizarre to see the level of racial hatred involved in soccer here. It's not to say that there isn't institutionalized racism in American sports or anything of that nature, but it blows my mind when there are players wandering about the pitch throwing up nazi salutes and that fan chants aren't along the lines of "you suck" but are rather explicitly racial. It's really disturbing to see this stuff live and to see how nonchalant a lot of people are regarding it.
Southern Europe is pretty bad as well. Banana-throwing seems to happen a few times a year in the Spanish and Italian leagues. One issue, I think, is that there aren't many black players from those countries, so black players are regarded as foreign in addition to having different skin color (and xenophobia is always strong in Europe). Maybe this will change as you see guys like Balotelli coming through the ranks.
England and France used to also have a lot of overt racism, but it's declined in recent years, accompanied by an increase in black players playing on their national teams. (Not that there isn't a lot of covert racism, still.)
A fan threw a banana at Wayne Simmonds during a shoutout attempt in an exhibition game against the Wings in London, Ontario.
The twitter remarks against Joel Ward last year were disgusting.
I believe that was 2 years ago when they beat out Boston right? Racism in Boston... Who would've thought
he picked it up and ate it. Much classier than the violent rampage into the stands I probably would have gone with, were I ever to encounter such ignorance. A better man than I.
The NCAA would have probably considered it an impermissible benefit.
Yeah I saw that too. I had to laugh at Alves' reaction. He picked up the banana, peeled it, then took a bite out of it. That level of racism in Europe is absolutely ridiculous though.
This only began to float around Twitter today - regardless of when this was taken, it would be nice if someone would tear down Sterling and put up a real human being, in my opinion.
...and Oprah buys the Clippers.
Sterling paid $3M up front for Clippers. If he sells them he will rake it in.
Closer to 13 million but ya your point is more or less the same. Funny thing is, his girlfriend is half black.
i failed to put a "one" in there...
...but slave owners basically had "girlfriends" that were black. Didn't mean they weren't racist or that they didn't foster discrimination.
I'm not saying you said that or even IMPLIED that. But I've heard that as an excuse to defend Sterling. That and "well his labor force is primarily black." Again, a slave owners work force was 100% black the majority of the time, and some were treated "well" in comparison to the others --- it doesn't mean it was right/wasn't racist/etc.
The fact that his goldigging hoe of a girlfriend was black doesn't do anything for me any more than the fact that he's the owner of a NBA franchise which is primarily made up of black millionaires.
...I'm sure this thread will be locked soon, but just a thought and wanted to point out a few things.
Money can't buy class
I'm no lawyer, but I don't see a way where he doesn't get the money from selling the team.
I think it's going to be tough enough to even get to the point where they can force him to sell his team, he's known to sue and I'm sure he'll have it in court for years if he can.
Obviously, I don't want him to get a dime...but I just don't see how he doesn't at least get market value for the Clippers - which I'm sure at this point many would take to get him out of the league.
But I don't think for a second he's not going to still be a billionaire when this is over. He's got his own troubles with his wife and little miss missy who's clearly pissed off that she was cut off and getting back at him. Even though she (the GF) is about to be in some hot water (legally) I presume because she taped him without him knowing. I believe in California that is against the law, especially since he committed no crime...just showed his ignorant racist, awful views.
And it's clearly not even a phone conversation because she gets him juice, you hear her pour it and set it on the table, and he thanks her for it before they argue some more. So she's in the room knowingly taping and baiting him with the conversation to get more from him.
Unfortunately, this seems like a story that is going to last for a LONG time - which sucks, because this is the best NBA playoffs in years. I'm not even a die hard NBA fan and I've enjoyed a lot of thise (mainly Western Conference) games.
I know you're joking, but no thanks. The less Oprah the better.
"and they are talking about her schtooping other guys"
Assuming I know what schtooping means, I believe that comment was taken out of context. If you listen to the audio, I believe he was saying in her life, she could do whatever she wants (including schtooping other guys), but not necessarily while dating him. Not that I am sticking up for him, but I believe that is what he meant.
It sounded to me like he didn't care if she wasn't doing her side thing.
But I'm not going to try to put that weird conversation in to ANY kind of context. They both sound crazy as hell.
When I heard it the first day, I was obviously disgusted, but I also thought both of them sounded like they were on drugs. Sterling sounded like mentally, he was having some issues...he couldn't even put his racist thoughts together. It was weird.
Today when I heard the additional tape I found the comments even more disturbing, especially when I heard that there was someone else clearly in the house and leaving and that it wasn't a phone call and they were in the same room with one another.
Doesn't excuse ANYTHING...but yea, he sounded high off something or like he has literally lost it (which he has, but you know what I mean).
Regardless, that's one conversation I'm not going to try to put into context, but I, too, thought he was saying "you can have sex with them (black people)."
In a weird, f-ed up relationship like this...40+ years apart, I'm not sure either of them is worried about monogomy. Same with Hef.
When I read that he was set to receive his second lifetime NAACP award I thought I was reading an onion article.
Unless the guy is a cat how can he get more than 1 lifetime award?
I'm also confused bc he's married but his wife knows about this girlfriend? Also, the sterling family was suing her for taking 1.8 million from the family, apparently. So not sure if she had actually had some kind of motive here. But then the article States she didn't leak the recording. None of this fits really.
They're in the process of a divorce.
About a multi-millionaire or a billionaire having a wife and a side fling. He's rich as hell. People are willing to look past a lot of things when they see dollar signs.
See: Hugh Hefner
Don't see: Tiger Woods
...who called Donald to give him the "heads up." That guy (or girl) is just as racist as he is.
Who called and was like "uh, hey Don, your black girlfriend is bringing her black friends to your games again and posting pictures with them on the instragrams...we don't allow that Don."
I can't imagine how that conversation actually took place, but I'm sure it was just as disgusting.
I hate that no one is talking about this apparant "rich society" that share these views that Sterling is clearly trying to fit in with. Going off his comments alone, he's clearly trying to be part of some crowd and it's not just him that thinks/lives this way, there are others...who are the others? Friends? Family? Other NBA owners?
Who called and told Sterling in the first place?
There's one in every crowd.
Grab the pitchforks!
Someone's having some fun in this thread
The main thing I got out of all this is that the girlfriend is ugly as hell and is a prime example of what can happen when you abuse plastic surgery.
Cosign. She apparently fancies herself a philanthropist, a business owner, a model, and a variety of other things. Delusions of grandeur courtesy of the money she's getting in return for screwing an old rich guy.
Hey she's doing a great job of allocating her prostituting earnings !
I think he can sue her (and win). It's gross, but she taped him without him knowing. What he did/said/believes is awful, racist, and should end his ownership in the NBA...but I believe she broke the law and he can sue the shit out of her if he wants.
The wife is suiing her too trying to get all of the shit he gave her back. She claims the girlfriend uses different names and goes around targetting old rich guys (this suit was filed well before the comments came to light).
But I did read that in California, all parties have to be aware.
Granted it wasn't a credible source, but I read it on the internet. Thus, it is true.
Very funny sign.
but this whole episode makes it all that much worse. What a fucking sham.
Is the NBA going to "force" an owner to sell the team! I don't like that idea, as Sterling will just go to court and file an anti-trust lawsuit and win treble damages. Perhaps the best thing would be for fans to boycott/walk out of Clipper games, boycott Clipper merchandise and for advertisers to hit the bricks re: Clippers?
From what I've read, forcing an owner to sell only happens when they can't really pay their bills. IDK, maybe he gets the Steinbrenner treatment?
I agree voting with dollars is probably the best way to do this but I'd think the money from TV deals is probably enough to make that not matter.
Besides, with the attention span of this country, we'll be off to anothr controvesy pretty soon.
I think it will be impossible to sustain the Clippers enterprise given the unimaginable negative karma that would surround it.
At first I was suspicious, thinking this accusation was so over the top that the audio may be a forgery. But where's the denial? And he seems to have a history.
I mean, how can Sterling say "Don't bring blacks to the game" and own a business that fields the product below? Is he blind? Why even own the Clippers in the first place if that's how he feels?
Someone has already taken the 2014-2015 team photo:
Bizarre. But he HAS to sell. The business with Sterling as owner is no longer viable.
I mean the Clippers were a joke before Blake Griffin and CP3 and he did just fine finacially so I don't think he HAS to sell from that perspective. He was subject to the largest fine in history for housing discrimination. Check out his quotables: http://deadspin.com/your-complete-quotable-guide-to-decades-of-donald-sterl-1568047212
Pretty damning stuff going back the 80s.
What's going to be pretty interesting is how this divorce plays out with regard to ownership of the team ala the McCourts and the Dodgers.
even when the clippers were a joke. But a losing "joke" at least has hope.
Now people will be ashamed to be associated with the Clippers. Including the players
That's why he owns them (the Clippers). I use this (extreme) anaology again. Slave owners had "girlfriends" that were black. Slave owners even lived and socalized with some of their slaves. But they were still slave owners, still racist, etc.
Sterling owns a team in a league made up of primarily people of color as you say, he dated a girl who is of color (half black and mexican according to her)...but that still doesn't mean he can't be a racist (not saying you think he isn't).
It's confusing as hell...but it's just like when you hear people say "I'm not racist, I have friends that are black." It doesn't mean anything.
And maybe we're using the terms incorrectly, but it doesn't mean these poeple aren't something that is horribly wrong and offensive...whatever the word is.
...that if his team didn't play games, he could be fined until he was eventually voted out by the owners.
Not sure if that's true, also, not sure what happens to the players (who obviously want to play, collect their paychecks, etc.)
His history isn't one of a guy who's going to go quietly though. He's likely going to dump some major money into the courtroom unless the NBA has some VERY clear rules where owners can vote another owner out of the league and force him to sell.
I mean, how can Sterling say "Don't bring blacks to the game" and own a business that fields the product below? Is he blind?
Easy. Don't forget his creepy "beautiful black bodies" comment. It's no sweat for him to have black people working for him because in his mind he owns them. He doesn't have to put them on his level.
Can he be forced to sell the team? It's his. He owns it. Can you force someone to sell their car because they're an asshole?
I don't know...that's the question everyone is trying to find out.
What if he murdered someone? Technically he still owns the team just like you'd own your car. He'd be in jail, but as long as he still had enough money, he could still own his "car."
There has to be something in the by-laws about league image and "in the best interest of the league." But maybe not...I guess we'll find out.
The NBA owner by laws are confidential but from what I've heard and read, short of not being able to meet the payroll, the NBA won't take away a team. Owners would be reluctant at the precedent it would set also. They really can't do much.
Like i said, if this divorce plays out, that's where it gets interesting if his wife tries to take half the team.
Cognitive dissonance when discussing his perception of Black people. He was just the first idiot to expose his distorted view of people and color! Players need to aggregate their resources and develop another league! NBA needs competition!
The real question is....
Who's the jerk who went through the first 40 posts or so and negged each one indiscriminately?
He got negged to shit because he didn't get the joke and called the two guys ignorant for no reason...neg someone that many times on this board and they're bound to spend the next 15 minutes negging every single post in the thread.
I got the joke just fine. Sterling was telling his gf not to bring black people to his games at the staple center. The guys with the sign were at Golden State's home arena. My joke fell kinda flat.
And it wasn't me, I posted about the actual topic here and had a real discussion...why would I go around negging myself?
But who cares...points don't matter anymore. Appreciate you clearing it up for whatever it's worth, but I'm just enjoying the discussion. I'm surprised and actually kind of proud in a (I know that sounds arrogant, but I don't want it to) kind of way.
Usually threads like this die quickly because of some asshole, but there's been some really good discussion in this thread. One of the better ones that we've had in quite some time.
They're making too big of a deal about this Donald Sterling thing to be honest.
They're making too big of a deal about this Donald Sterling thing to be honest.
I'm happy to hear that apparently Jamal Crawford (along with Matt Barnes) was the driving force behind this protest. I've always had a lot of love for that guy. He got absolutely fucked over and short changed by the NCAA. Had he not gotten shafted, we'd be reveling him as one of the all time greats.
So many people here deny him, but he is a proud representative of the university (even if they refuse to acknowledge him) and loves U of M basketball. He is also a great representative of the black community. He is a great philanthropist and puts not only his money, but even more so his time into improving communities.
He is U of M through and through and I hope we recognize him and all of his accomplishments at some point.