This is why the college football bowl season is a fucking joke
OT: FSU vs Northern Illinois in Orange Bowl...
I've always hated how bowl games went from exhibitions (e.g., before ~2005, stats didn't count towards all-time records) to now supposedly being the be-all, end-all for how good a team/conference is ("See? Our conference went 6-2 in bowl games - that means we're awesome!").
I doubt NIU is one of the ~10 best teams in the country, which is sort of what the BCS is for, but there aren't any great teams this year, so why not them getting in over, say, Oklahoma, who hasn't looked that impressive themselves?
The bowls can't go back to the backroom deals of old (under which NIU would have never gotten in) because they would be exposed for being the cartel that they are and face congressional action. So they're stuck in this current version where non-BCS schools get crumbs and sometimes it blows up in the bowls (and in this case, ESPN's) face. Fine by me.
I won't be happy until there is an eight-team playoff, with the first round at home campuses, and the big bowls (and their enablers) stand in the way. I could not care less what happens to the big bowls - they're fake "nonprofits" that are a pox on the college game.
Lol Niu lost to Iowa and had a terrible strenght of schedule, no business being in the bcs, nobody can ever cry about the little guy missing out again this is shit.
They were 1 point away from an undefeated season. I like this move, and hope they can pull out a win.
Northern Illinois 1
Michigan State 0
edit... why'd my image go away? Here's another for ya'll:
This season they taste like Parmessan Garlic boneless wings
Go Huskies!!! As a big follower of NIU football I love it!
This is stupid.
If either conference could place a team in the top 16, this wouldn't have happened.
They'll be lucky if the stadium is this packed
You're kidding, right? You do realize that the other team playing in this game is FLORIDA State, right?
I assume that's all the folks from Dekalb, IL that you're looking at.
You do realize the team playing in that game was MIAMI, right? And they game was played in MIAMI.
I was making a joke, but FSU is not going to fill that whole stadium with fans. NIU has virtually no national following, and it doesn't sound like the fanbase is super-jazzed and will travel en masse. So no, I'm not saying it will look like that picture, but there will definitely be open sections.
Isn't this the team IOWA beat?
There should have been a bylaw that if you lost to this year's Iowa team, you're banned from the BCS.
It was the first game of the season. NIU is not even close to being the same team they were at the beginning of the year. Teams do in fact get better during a season and if you look at the team then and now there's no comparison.
I do agree though that this will have thousands of empty seats unless the FSU fans can buy them all up. Should be interesting to see what is announced tonight.
NIU's non-conference results:
Iowa 18, Northern Illinois 17
Northern Illinois 35, Tennessee-Martin 7
Northern Illinois 41, Army 40 Army is 2-9
Northern Illinois 30, Kansas 23 Kansas is 1-11
Then they beat up a bunch of MAC schools and won the title game against a team that got blown out by Kentucky.
They're going to get slaughtered.
They still play the games for a reason.
It may not be quite the slaughter some of you are expecting if FSU feels the same way. Also, NIU's quarterback is damn good.
Ok cool, lets just put Michigan with that schedule and go to the bcs every year, that schedule is a joke, the loss to iowa is a joke, their best win is over a team that lost to a terrible kentucky game. When deciding who the best teams are in a division with 120 teams you can't look at just record. Do you think w-l is a good stat for pitchers in baseball too?
"their best win is over a team that lost to a terrible kentucky game"
a team that also handily whipped one of the Big East co-champions. You're cherry picking games off the schedule to make your argument.
Do I think NIU is one of the ten best teams in the country? Of course not. But they aren't the worst of the ten teams picked for a BCS bowl.
First off the big east is a joke so I don't really care about a win over a co-champion, secondly elite teams don't lose to kentucky. Third of all yes NIU is the worst team picked, when a team does nothing to earn a berth in the championship it should not be there. There is no way NIU plays in a single bcs conference and comes away with a championship, I just don't believe that based off what they have shown they should be in the bcs. Doesn't make other choices good or bad, but NIU is the worst.
"the big east is a joke so I don't really care about a win over a co-champion"
"There is no way NIU plays in a single bcs conference and comes away with a championship"
Make up your mind. Are all the BCS conferences superior or is the Big East a joke?
I stand by both comments. I don't think the big east was a good conference so one win over a mediocre team is not that impressive. However even given that, I still think if you put NIU in the big east over the course of the season they would have lost more than they won. App state beat us, that doesn't mean they would have finished in the top half of the big ten that year. Both statements can clearly co-exist. Its like when the ncaa is doing tourny selection for basketball and a bad team from a bcs conference is listed as a good win for a mid major team and a bad loss for a bcs conference team. Winning week in and week out against even mediocre competition is more difficult than playing two or three mediocre teams and a lot of really bad ones.
Poor Northern Ill. What in Northern Illinois' performance makes anyone believe they can play with FSU?
Or are you just basing this on them being a MAC team? If Georgia Tech can play with Florida State, NIU may have a chance. Probably not to win it but I would not expect a blow out. NIU is a very tough team. If Coach Doeren is not coaching that would further hurt their chances of competing though.
I can't speak for knickerbocker, but I am basing this on them being a MAC team.
then GT could probably handle NIU
If Florida State wins by less than 30, I will donate all of my mgopoints to you
Is it April 1?
If they had Michael Turner still I'd give them a fighting chance.
They've got Jordan Lynch! The guy is a great player! He's led this team all year and has put up some pretty impressive stats.
However yes I do feel that it is very unlikely they would win this game.
Jordan Lynch does not a team make. Compare that to the star power on FSU's lineup, and commence to shudder...
but he is able to run and pass the ball very well and is a great leader of their team. Florida State sure looked like a powerful lineup against Georgia Tech yesterday didn't they. I'm not saying that NIU is going to win this game but what I am saying is that they are very solid and would make it a good game.
I completely understand where you're coming from (who likes to say that their team is doomed?), but predicting NIU will keep it close is akin to all of us who predicted that we'd beat (or at least challenge) Bama.
I'll give them an NC State chance. It is FSU we're talking about, after all. Any given Saturday they can flip the switch and lose to anybody.
I wonder how the NIU players are feeling. Fantastic, I imagine...but you have to wonder if, when the high wears off, they start to think "Oh, hell..."
NIU will treat it like their Super Bowl, and FSU most likely will treat it like they are playing scrubs. No one gave Boise State a chance a few years ago against the powerhouse of Oklahoma, but look how that turned out.
IMO, whether FSU can handle that will determine if FSU finds itself in a contested game.
Love to see the MAC get some love!!
of the SEC Network - er- ESPN's MAC hatefest
So now Florida gets to eat Louisville alive instead of a real matchup like Oregon. At least some of the non-BCS bowls will be interesting.
Didn't they just lose their heaf coach to NC State? Will they be playing in a BCS Bowl without their HC?
Happened with Cincy when Kelly went to ND
Pretty obvious selection given how well the NIU fanbase travels.
I actually think this is a pretty good selection for ticket sales. Sure, Northern Illinois won't travel, but there are a lot if Florida State fans who can't travel all the way up to Tallahassee for Florida State games (it's 7.5 hours - almost 500 miles - without traffic). Florida State fans will snatch the tickets for this game up like hot cakes.
College football has become very messy over the years. Very political and all about the money and not the best matchups.
Interested to see what Vegas does with the spread in this game
The line will be something like FSU -21.5.
And I will take NIU +21.5 any day.
Considering the alternative was Louisville, I don't see where the TV ratings/ticket sales are going to suffer that much.
The Orange Bowl was screwed either way. They were either getting the Big East champ or a team from a non-BCS conference.
For whatever reason it just clicked to me that OSU being ranked #3 in the AP poll means they are ahead of FLA and Oregon. I realize FLA and Oregon both have a loss but FLA lost to #6 Georgia (and beat FSU, LSU, Texas A&M, and South Carlina) and Oregon lost to #8 Stanford (and beat Washington, Arizona, USC, and Oregon St). OSU has not beaten a single top 15 team. Does anyone think OSU would beat Oregon or FLA? OSU should be #6 IMO.
You also have Utah State, San Jose State, and Kent State in the top-25. Broken systems don't make sense.
- 1. Alabama 98.96
- 2. Oregon 95.72
- 3. Notre Dame 93.16
- 4. Kansas State 93.06
- 6. Florida 91.32
- 9. Stanford 88.83
- 14. Florida State 86.24
- 20. Wisconsin 83.39
- 41. Northern Illinois 77.22
- 60. Louisville 72.25
Predicted spreads (ignoring possible home field advantages for teams playing near home):
- Alabama 6 over Notre Dame
- Oregon 2 1/2 over Kansas State
- Stanford 5 1/2 over Wisconsin
- Florida State 9 over Northern Illinois
- Florida 19 over Louisville
Good for N.Illinois.
What if it was Georgia Tech vs NIU
OMG Utah can never beat mighty Alabama. OMG Boise St can never beat Oklahoma. OMG TCU can't hang with the big boys on the big stage. OMG Kansas can't hang with Virginia Tech. OMG West Virginia can't hang with big-bad Georgia.
Do we never learn?
I bet N. Illinois wouldn't have lost to the lowly Wolfpack earlier this year. Let them play the game; they'll be just fine against the all-mighty Florida State.
Boise St. beat Oklahoma, it is
Nothing aginast NIU, but all of those "BCS Busters" you mentioned had more quality wins over FBS ranked opponents. NIU has played two FBS teams, Iowa and Kansas and split with them.
For reference, Boise's non-conference results when they beat Oklahoma:
Boise 45, Sacramento State 0
Boise 42, Oregon State 14
Boise 17, Wyoming 10
Boise 36, Utah 3
TCU 30, Oregon State 21
TCU 62, Tennessee Tech 7
TCU 45, Baylor 10 (I think RG3 was hurt by this point)
TCU 41, SMU 24
Closer analogue, the Hawai'i team that got crushed by UGA
Hawai'i 63, Northern Colorado 6
Hawai'i 49, UNLV 14
Hawai'i 66, Charleston Southern 10
Hawai'i 35, Washington 28
They lost to Iowa. Your point?
You think the Big East v. ACC Orange Bowl match ups of the past few years were snoozers? Ha! Just wait until you see ACC v. MAC!
the orange bowl always seems to be the biggest joke of the 4 major bowls. why let it stop now, i suppose? i'm inclined to pick an fsu blowout. but then again, its fsu.
For the reference of the MGoBoard, per SBNation, the complete table of confirmed and to-be-decided as of a little after 5 PM EST. You will note that Michigan State is listed as going to the much-touted Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl to face the Big 12 #4.
|BCS National Championship||1/7/2013||Miami||Notre Dame||Alabama|
|GoDaddy||1/6/2013||Mobile||MAC||Sun Belt 2|
|BBVA Compass||1/5/2013||Birmingham||SEC 8/9||Big East 5/C-USA|
|Cotton||1/4/2013||Arlington||Big 12 2||SEC|
|Heart of Dallas||1/1/2013||DUHH||Purdue||Big 12|
|Sun||12/31/2012||El Paso||Georgia Tech||Pac-12 4|
|Music City||12/31/2012||Nashville||N.C. State||SEC 7|
|Liberty||12/31/2012||Memphis||Tulsa||Big East/SEC 8/9|
|Pinstripe||12/29/2012||New York||Big 12 7||Syracuse|
|Kraft Fight Hunger||12/29/2012||San Francisco||Arizona State||Navy|
|Buffalo Wild Wings||12/29/2012||Phoenix||Big 12 4||Michigan State|
|Armed Forces||12/29/2012||Fort Worth||Air Force||Rice|
|Alamo||12/29/2012||San Antonio||Big 12 3||Pac-12 2|
|Russell Athletic||12/28/2012||Orlando||Rutgers||Virginia Tech|
|Meineke Car Care||12/28/2012||Houston||Big 12 6||Minnesota|
|Military||12/27/2012||D.C.||ACC 8||San Jose State|
|Holiday||12/27/2012||San Diego||Pac-12 3||Big 12 5|
|Little Caesars||12/26/2012||Detroit||MAC||Big Ten 8|
|New Orleans||12/22/2012||DUHHH||UL Lafayette||ECU|
|Las Vegas||12/22/2012||DUHHH||MWC 1||Pac-12 5|
|Beef O'Brady's||12/21/2012||St. Petersburg||Big East 6||UCF|
|Poinsettia||12/20/2012||San Diego||San Diego State||BYU|
|New Mexico||12/15/2012||Albuquerque||Nevada||Pac-12 7/WAC|
|Idaho Potato||12/15/2012||Boise||MAC 3||Utah State|
FSU lost to a mediocre NC State team and barely beat GT. NIU could beat them. Plus who cares about who plays in the BCS anyway. Half the time the teams that make it don't deserve to be there.
Nobody gave boise a shot in hell at beating oklahoma...nobody gave utah a shot in hell at beating bama...
weren't both of those teams you know undefeated? There is something to be said for only being able to beat the teams you play, but when you lose to a bad iowa team that sort of thing changes. In addition both boise and utah had already had a few years of success at that point, not just a sympton of an easy schedule and a down year when you go undefeated or with 1 loss for a few years in a row. This NIU team seems more like that Hawai'i team that got stomped by georgia than a boise or a utah, hell even hawai'i had a better history of success to back up their claim to actually being a pretty good team.
I may be one of the few people who likes the bowl system, but the way the teams are chosen needs to be fixed.
Will. Not. Watch.
this is a joke.. all those years Boise State had one loss and made like one BCS game.. I guess Florida St will have a good New Year
Good for the Noles. They deserve this game after that extremely tough schedule they played this year...
Murray State, Savannah State, Wake Forest, South Florida, Boston College, Miami, Duke, VaTech, Maryland, Georgia Tech with losses to Florida and 7-5 NC State.
Maybe this was on purpose. If you play that kind of schedule, you deserve to play against a MAC team in your bowl game. Just the fact that you're ranked 13th with that kind of competition is extremely generous.
Now we see the problem with guaranteeing a team a BCS berth if it makes a certain ranking... because I have little doubt that many of the pollsters said, "you know what, let's put Northern Illinois in the BCS." In other words, the system changed the voting patterns, which it should not do. Hell, the announcers at the MAC CG were pretty much unable to hide their enthusiasm for Kent State with the assumption that Kent State would go to the Orange Bowl if they won.
I see no coincidence in the fact that NIU was ranked exactly 16th.
...would a Big 12 Championship game have changed any of this or will Oklahoma be left out regardless?
As much of a joke this is (NIU ranked higher than Michigan? Northwestern? Nebraska? Who knows), the $$$$$ that this program and the MAC will get is great for them. The MAC is a lot more than those Tuesday night 60-55 shootouts, I'm pretty sure that of all non BCS-AQ conferences they have the best record when playing against AQ conferences (I'll look for the stat). They've produced lots of professional level talent, and I'm all for seeing these non Big Six football conferences get better, for the competitive balance of football and for the occasional upset. Except for Toledo....
I'm pulling for the little guy in this one. Hopefully some exposure and a marquee win, albeit unlikely, gets some people fired up to take MAC football to the next level.
They will probably lose millions because they will be forced to buy more tickets than their home stadium holds.
They should just call the Cotton Bowl a BCS game. Every year that ends up being one of the top matchups.
over Louisville? Applying the arguments used upthread:
first, here's Louisville's OOC results:
- 32-14 over Kentucky (2-10)
- 35-7 over Missouri St. (3-8, FCS)
- 39-34 over North Carolina (8-4)
- 21-17 @ Southern Mississippi (0-12)
Not too impressive if you ask me--that last result is far worse than NIU's close loss to Iowa back when Iowa still had a couple of running backs. Credit for nipping UNC at home, though.
And here's the MAC against the Big East head to head:
- Kent State 35, Rutgers 23
- Cincinnati 52, Miami 14
- Toledo 29, Cincinnati 23
- Pittsburgh 20, Buffalo 16
- Western Michigan 30, Connecticut 24
- Connecticut 24, Buffalo 17
- Ball State 31, South Florida 27
If a one-loss MAC team shouldn't get in because they're in the MAC, how do you justify a team with two losses in a conference that had a losing record against the MAC? Even the Big East co-champions had a losing record, combined, against the MAC.
NIU is 19 spots ahead and 5 points ahead of Louisville on the Sagarin predictor, 19 spots and 6 1/2 points ahead of Louisville on the Massey power rating.
Because the Big East has an automatic bid baked into the contract so there's not much we can do about that. Yes it's dumb, and yes Louisville will also almost definitely be horribly outclassed by Florida (unless Florida feels like giving it away like they did against UL-Laf).
Northern has an automatic bid baked into the contract too.
I think the Big East thing bothers me more because those teams have names that would allow them to get consideration if they were actually any good. No Big East school (well, maybe going forward, but not up to now) could go undefeated and get sent to the Motor City Bowl.
I'm happy for UNI. Glad the little guys got recognition by the BCS for a change.
UNI = Northern Iowa
NIU = Northern Illinois
-the Acronym Police
I guess I should be happy for the little guy getting some respect but I'm not sure why this year, all of the sudden, the MAC champion is getting love in the rankings.
Marshall's 1999 team with Chad Pennington went 13-0 and Miami's 2003 team with Ben Roethlisberger went 13-1, both of those squads had better resumes than this year's Northern Illinois squad yet weren't even close to getting a BCS birth. NIU, although they should have beaten Iowa in week one, did not really play anyone with a pulse until the MAC championship game. And they barely escaped a 9 loss Army team by 1 point.
I just don't think that resume deserves a BCS game.
Marshall finished that season #12, Miami finished #11. Under current rules both would have played in BCS bowls.
Instead, Marshall got sent to the Motor City where they whipped BYU and Miami got shipped to the GMAC Bowl where they beat the crap out of Louisville--if memory serves they were up something like 35-7 in the first half. Frankly, I think the current system would have been more fair in both cases.--those teams deserved a chance to be tested.
Yes, but that Miami team also lost to Iowa thus invoking our "Any team that loses to Iowa is rendered ineligible for BCS selection rule."
I kid, but I do wish those teams got tested. I wish there was some way to match up a top MAC school in years when they do have a team like this with a Big Six school that isn't just going to the Little Caesers Consolation Prize/Congrats You Only Got Six Wins Now Go Fire Your Coach in the Next Year or Two Bowl.
I expect FL to curb stomp Louisville with their defense. They might have only 100 yds of offense and still win 20+. They had 29 yds in the first half vs Soiuth Carolina and still notched 21 points. Muschamp will turn them loose.
FSU should pummel NIU but the Seminoles are notorious slackers. Win by 10 with sloppy play by FSU.
Once again we are robbed of great regional match-ups like OKLA vs Florida or Oregon vs Georgia to test schemes and top coaches.
if you ever supported Boise making the Fiesta Bowl, you have zero right to bitch
I'm confused about how this is even an argument. NIU lost to Iowa and Greg Davis. That ends it.
I hope NIU beats FSU. I know almost nobody thinks they can pull the upset, but stranger things have happened.