Let the raiding of the ACC begin!
Let the raiding of the ACC begin!
you act like FSU or clemson were going to come to the big ten...
There's no getting one without the other.
I originally had UVA but I was getting harpooned by people in another thread about it.
Why wouldn't VA Tech jump to the SEC without UVA? That's an upgrade for them. There was political pressure to get VA Tech into the ACC because that was an upgrade over the Big East. I don't think that the same pressure would apply if they wanted to go to the SEC.
You can bet that if the ACC starts to fall apart, there will be a lot of pressure on the Hokies to return the favor and save some room in the life boat for UVa.
Only if they needed it. If the Big 10 were to take them, they wouldn't need a lifeboat. If GTU is really looking at the Big 12 (or any other conference) that's three major athletic teams. The ACC as we know it would be dead.
Agreed, VaTech would split if UVa got a good conference like B1G. VaTech would go SEC, and it would set up an annual cross-state/ inter-conference rival game, (ie, Fla/FlaSt, Uga/GaTch, Iowa/IAState)
IMO it’s UVa, Rutgers and Maryland as new B1G invitees. All are AAU members, good overall institutions both academic and athletic, geographically well-placed, so with Penn State already in, it pretty much locks up the NYC/NJ, Phila. And Washington DC TV markets. Then they will probably hold a spot for the Irish if they still feel there is a possibility.
It amuses me how UWV must be gloating right now!
ACC rejects them in their last expansion, so they are forced to go farther west and latch on with a backup and join a possibly faltering Big12. Then the Big12 rears up from the dust, and looks like it will not only surpass but could prove the undoing of the ACC.
Half the Mountaineer state must be thinking, “Who’s laughing now?”
They add little value to a conference at 12 already (especailly Pitt which does not extend our footprint). The Big Ten passed before for a reason. I think the ACC's recent TV deal showed that and is a big reason why schools are looking to jump ship from the ACC.
If you are going to go above 12, it has to be the right schools. In the ACC, I only see Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, and GT adding that value.
I also think the Virginia legislature may have had some influence a decade ago during ACC expansion because Virginia was a member, but today they have no leverage at all. If the conference consolidation happens, the two Virginia schools will be competing with the other ACC schools to find a home and will be in no position to make any demands.
No. Just no.
As others said VT and UVA might be tough to seperate. However, I think the teams you selected are very doable, but it seems to leave the divisions a little bit lopsided...
Please put Michigan and Ohio in the same division.
I think people are too enamored with Virginia Tech as they've been pretty good this last decade. I just don't see that continuing when Beamer leaves, which I feel like is closer than most would think. Their basketball isn't very good either. This doesn't account for TV markets or anything, but the two big sports I just don't see them competing to a reasonable level and their academics don't make up for it, in my opinion.
I want VT for selfish reasons (because I live in VT country). I tend to agree with you about VT and Beamer... Although, a friend pointed out the fact that Bud Foster would be a likely candidate for the job if Beamer left. In which case they'd be in pretty good hands.
Foster is like 54. If he took over now he'd be fine, but if he takes over in 5 years, where does that leave the program?
the big ten could add 4 mac teams and they would still be the among most stable conferences, along with the SEC.
But to answer your question: Notre Dame, Boston College, Maryland, Pitt, UVA, Va Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse
From a Michigan/B10 perspective I can antincipate some major shockwaves if this happens. If the ACC gets pillaged by the B12/SEC, I can certainly see the Big Ten making a push for some schools. As much as I love the current Big Ten I think it's inevitable that we'll eventually end up with 4 Super Conferences. We won't sacrifice our identity, but I will bet that the Big Ten (and every other conference) ends up with closer to 20 schools than the current 12 or 14.
In that case, here's my pipe dream.
1. Michigan 11. Notre Dame
2. Ohio State 12. Penn State
3. Michigan State 13. Nebraska
4. Wisconsin 14. Boston College
5. Iowa 15. Maryland
6. Purdue 16. North Carolina
7. Illinois 17. Duke
8. Minnesota 18. Virginia
9. Northwestern 19. Wake Forest
10. Indiana 20. Rutgers (Big East)
I'd like to include Pitt from the Big East as well (Maybe take Syracuse too and move Nebraska to the West?) but I really like this alignment. Aside from Nebraska, it maintains clear regions and the natural rivalries. I think the competitive balance is there too.
If the Super Conferences happen I could definitely live with this.
Rutgers!? Rutgers?! I'd rather have UConn. Rutgers is just like that random friend you grew up with who is just sort of, there. He doesn't really do anything interesting or bad, he just kind of sits there, gets made fun of occasionally, and laughs at others' jokes.
I only included Rutgers because there have been rumblings about them since the beginning of realignment. I think Pitt is a much better addition.
Wake Forest, Rutgers, Duke, and Boston College? Maybe I could accept Boston College if it netted us ND, but all of them? The Big Ten is not running a refugee camp for worthless athletic programs.
Would you honestly want those schools on your conference schedule?
First off, I would welcome BC unconditionally. Second, Rutgers wouldn't be my top choice either. I'd prefer Pitt but included Rutgers based on prior speculation.
But Duke and Wake Forest? Damn strong basketball programs. Wake seems to be respectable on the football field. I wouldn't necessarily want to see them, but in this scenario they'd be the bottom feeders of their division. Every conference has those schools. Plus Michigan (or any West team) wouldn't play them in 9/10 seasons. I see Duke = IU and Wake = Purdue in terms of football/basketball impact on the conference landscape.
Well, I wish that were true about Wake but their basketball program will be in the tank for a while. Jeff Bzdelik is doing a horrible job and driving the team straight into the cold cold ground, but he's buddy-buddy with the AD so he's not getting fired until either the AD gets fired or enough boosters tell the AD to do it.
If basketball mattered, the ACC would not be in this mess. Football is the engine of college athletics. Even geographic footprint probably matters more than basketball. Maryland probably has a better chance of joining the B1G than Duke or WF on their own (I could see considering taking Duke if that is what it took to get UNC, assuming the B1G wanted UNC).
I don't think anything happens...here are my reasons stated best by one of the best expansion thinkers out there...Frank the Tank
That was written prior to the SEC/Big XII "bowl" game announcement and that is a HUGE turn of events.
I agree that I don't think this thing is as far along as most people think. I also think any team would be foolish to jump until the parameters of a playoff are determined.
That would be wonderful if it weren't six days old. I think it's outdated by this point though. Things seem to be further along than Frank had them at that point.
There was something interesting on that page though: a tweet by some random media dude whose reputation I have no clue about:
Sources: Big 12 expansion breakdown: 4 schools OK with it, 4 on fence, 1 pushing hard to make it happen, 1 pushing hard to prevent it.
The guy does refer to DeLoss Dodds as "the real commish" so he's got that bit of perception going for him.
Assuming he's right, it would be interesting to know which schools are which. Possible guess: the four OK with it would be ISU, KU, KSU, and WVU - three of the low men on the totem pole football-wise, and the new guy (who wants more of an eastern presence.) Pushing hard: OU, in order to balance out the Texas presence. On the fence: TT, TCU, Ok.St, Baylor. And pushing hard to prevent: Texas.
If I'm right that would be a pretty big roadblock. But I'm really biased because I really don't want it to happen. Seems reasonable, though: I doubt either of the "pushing hard" schools are either of the newbies or any of the hoi polloi.
I think FSU, Clemson, and GT are interested, but nothing definitive has come out or been put forth by a true in the know guy. Hell, Chip Brown has been oddly quiet. The ACC is still a strong conference and I don't see an obvious need to jump just yet.
But assuming those schools bolt for the BiG 12, I still don't see either ND joining a conference or the extremely tight nit core of the ACC breaking up. These two events are widely thought to be the catalyst for the superconferences. People talk about UV and VT as being tied at the hip, but UNC (the jewel of the ACC) has a state legislature hell bent on ensuring NC State is taken care of. The only way that would happen is if NCstate went to the SEC (who wants an in roads to NC), leaving UNC and Duke (and some speculate that fellow top dog UV) going to the B1G. In reality, the SEC wants UNC first, but does UNC go to what they believe is an academically inferior conference without Duke or NCState in tow?
Furthermore, the B1G has been incredibly cautious and currently cold to the thought of further expansion. Do you really think that they are just going to allow 3 or 4 new members into the conference like that? Most likely, they will wait for ND and maybe have preliminary discussions with UNC, UVA, UMD, and Duke.
But more than likely, the ACC stays in tact and forms a regional conference on academics and basketball. THis was the original purpose of the conference to begin with. This also allows the tabacco road schools (wake, UNC, Duke, and NCState) a place for all sports that maintains some legitimacy in the eyes of the state legislature.
I think FSU, Clemson, and GT are interested, but nothing definitive has come out or been put forth by a true in the know guy.
Well, yes. And no. What's got me halfway over the ledge is the fact that the site that - not that long ago - put out possibly the most well-reasoned argument FSU would stay put, is now on record saying they're gone. It's one thing if the Bleacher Report says it; it's quite another if I've been citing a really good article in efforts to calm people down and suddenly the same people that wrote that do a 180.
I don't see the B1G rushing to grab any "ACC leftovers." Where I do worry is if FSU and Clemson bolt for the Big 12 and then the SEC decides they like the idea of 16 and scoop up, say, VT and NC State. I am not a big believer in the domino theory that always pops up, but that one isn't so far outside the realm of possibility. The ACC would probably be fine without FSU and Clemson - quite a bit dented, but fine. Losing four teams - that would be different, and the conference would have to get very proactive and creative to fix that problem.
Wahoo: I agree that Texas would probably be the school that was vehemently against expansion. If enough high-quality programs join the Big 12, Texas is going to eventually have to answer a lot of questions about why they get paid more than everyone else.
Texas is eventually going to have to stop being so greedy and take the same "share" as everyone else. They ruined the SWC, and almost ruined the Big 12. I have a feeling they know that the more teams there are in the Big 12, the more chance there is that someone is eventually going to stand up to them.
no Texas fan, but to blame the fall of the SWC on them is a stretch. 4 private schools (Rice, SMU, TCU, and Baylor) and a commuter school (Houston) with 3 big state schools all centered in one state wasn't a recipe for long-term success.
Now if the football had been SEC good during the 80's maybe the conference survives, but it had fallen off the deep end and had become something like the Big East now without any power teams--champion lost last 8 bowl games, most in embarrassing fashion.
Could Texas have helped? Yeah, not being a part of the cheating and not sucking ass during the 80s could have made things better. But the conference was eventually doomed and it's hard to blame Texas for finding the first life raft off the proverbial Titanic.
I've seen several reports saying Texas is against it, but I have a feeling enough of the others will be swayed to make it happen. As for the ACC's health... I think the SEC would like NC State and VT, but there are major hangups with both of them (which is why they settled for less attractive Mizzou in the first place). As long as there's political pressure to keep VT and UVA together and UNC and NC State together, it probably won't happen. That leaves the door open for some Big East raiding (Louisville, Cincy, UConn, USF and Rutgers are all okay options, maybe even 4 of those 5) to stabalize.
Well, some of those options are more okay than others. UConn, Louisville, maybe, USF, Rutgers, not so much. I tell you who I'd be intrigued to take in order to stabilize the ACC: the two Kansas schools. It'd be a step down in the TV revenue department if the rumors about the two deals are true, but no more Texas is an awfully big carrot. That idea may or may not be influenced by a desire to get back at the Big 12.
We better be in the same division with OSU. Switch IU and Purdue with us and Sparty.
UNC, MD, Duke and UVA to BIG. Academics and money rule. NC, MD and VA are growing states with big media markets.
If all of this shakes out, it would be great for the B1G to take UNC and UVA. That would give the B1G three of the Top 5 Public Schools in the country. It would also expand the footprint into growing states. UNC > NCSU. UVA > VA Tech. UNC's basketball program would just be and added bonus.
If you MUST take 16 teams then pick two out of Maryland, 'Cuse, Pitt or Notre Dame.
Could Duke operate as an independent football team? Would it be possible to offer them all sports except for football (like the ND arrangement with the Big East)? The B1G could guarantee them a certain number of football games each year that would help keep their revenue stream in place.
Duke would be an added bonus for academics, basketball and lacrosse. It's just that their football program is a complete mess.
IF this happens, I would want Duke, UNC (my top priority), UVA, and ND. I doubt ND would come, so UMD would be my next choice. THis would expand the B1G footprint to the east coast and into expanding markets while maintaining the academic prowess of the conference. Also, the B1G becomes the dominant basketball conference with four money programs: UNC, duke, MSU, and Indiana.
I'm pretty excited about a Big Ten lacrosse conference, so adding UNC and UVA (or Maryland or ND) would make that happen. In order for us to have a conference we either need 6 teams for an autobid or enough good teams for it to not matter (like the ACC now). If we brought any two of those teams, we would have a very solid 5-team conference, with the possibility of a 6 coming along at some point.
One thing all of you guys messed up so far in the realignment is that UVA and VT are tied at the hip. Virginia state government will not allow them to be separated.
EDIT: My four: VIrginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, and Notre Dame.
at the same time UVA gets a BIG invite, that will go a long way towards easing the political troubles.
The Hokies are a better fit in the SEC and UVA a better fit in the BIG.
I believe this is the only way. For UVA to go somewhere, VT has to have a place to go as well. As dumb as it sounds, I believe the Virginia legislature will not allow only one to leave, and instead force both to stay in the ACC to try to keep the conference intact if both schools do not have an exit strategy.
@Leaders and Best: As long as both schools are public institutions and receive money from the state government, the state legislature will have a say in these type of matters.
They are only tied to the hip if VaTech has no option in the other three conferences. No reason they coudn't go to the SEC with Miami.
The Virginia State legislature has no leverage here if the ACC is burning to the ground as both schools will be homeless. They had leverage in 2003 because Virginia was a member of the ACC during its expansion. They have no sway in the B1G or Big 12.
Words cannot describe my contempt for FSU at this point. Is there something in another language stronger then "fuck them eternally in the ass with a ten-foot-wide spiky pole"?
Try some of the Yiddish curses they're pretty funny and at the same time pretty horrible.
One that I can remember:
May their boils have boils.
or something like that.
If you are looking for something to ask FSU, of course, then I will say that one of my favorite questions in the German language is - "Wer hat dir in deinen Kopf geschissen?"
It's a very honest, direct question.
That being said, I don't know if every school in the ACC now would have an easy time finding a home if the ACC fell apart in a bolt by FSU and Clemson or others. If I am Pitt or Syracuse, I would be glued to the developments in this story.
Hmm. I don't know much German but before I go to the Google translator I'll guess: "who put the shit in your head?"
"Who gave you shit in your head?"
The ACC is going down. Given there are going to be only four major conferences shouldn't they jump to one of them? Or should they let others take the spots and be left out of the party?
FSU is kind of like an executive who gets a golden parachute after running a company into the ground while the rest of the company loses their shirt and goes unemployed.
Would "Go walk 1,000 miles to Oklahoma" be too soon?
Pitt and Syracuse are lookin like the weird kid on the block that no one wants to play with, including their own coaches in the case of Pitt.
"Hey Pitt! Go long! Keep going!..... Keep going!..... Come on test my arm!.............goooo..... alright let's make a break for the Big12. I don't want to play with these weirdos."
I'm sure Louisville and Cincinnati want them back
Anyone think there are some sleepness nights these days for the AD's at Syracuse, BC, Pitt, NCST, Duke and Wake Forest? These schools seem to be in the most peril of losing when the music stops.
Pittsburgh, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse. Just eliminate them. There is a reason the B1G already passed. They add no value.
if you're looking for padding after adding actual value schools, though, getting on New York area cable systems does the trick. So both Syracuse (in the state) and Rutgers (in the metro area) come into play.
Rutgers and Syracuse will not get you the NYC market. It will not get the BTN on expanded basic. Although Rutgers may be the largest fanbase in NYC, there are about as many B1G fans and alumni in NYC as there are Rutgers fans. But the kicker is this: Rutgers fanbase only makes up approx. 3% of NYC population. And these estimates are probably being generous for Rutgers.
it's only about getting enough Big Ten alums (who have substantial buying power and make up a large enough portion of the market to get things done) to demand it to get it on Cablevision or Verizon and then you rake in the money. The actual fanbase of the local team is almost irrelevant. Especially if one of the schools you have is Notre Dame.
NYC is too large and the college football following is too small in the Northeast. It will not make financial sense for the cable companies to add it on expanded basic because there will not be enough demand for it. Buying power does not matter for cable subscribers. That only matters for advertisers. All cable companies care about is number of customers, and there aren't enough college football customers in NYC.
Cablevision and Time Warner, it's already on Verizon Fios in NYC, which I believe is a national plan anyway.
I'm all for academics, but the Big Ten needs to stop only considering adding AAU members. I mean that's already ruined now that Nebraska is out.
I understand that most of us don't want the B1G to expand, jus the talent level wouldn't be the same.
My question is, if these superconferences do start, does the B1G really need to expand? My point is that the Big 12, Pac 12 and SEC would all be absorbing shools of less talent as well, but if the B1G was to not expand wouldn't that essentially mean that the talent of the B1G would be superior to that of the remaining conferences. I am sure that someone has thought of a reason as to why this won't happen.
Or (i have seen others post similar ideas) what if each of the super conferences only add two teams and allow the teams that weren't picked (kind of like tha last kid at recess) go down to a lower level of athletics. One example being Boston College, they are not really good at anything but Hockey, and NCAA hockey is followed only by those schools who are good so a very limited viewer base.
Especially when partnered with the Pac-12 (who has very few expansion possibilities with the Big 12 stabilized). I don't think the Big Ten will add a school unless it is the right school and adds value to the conference. There is a risk of diminishing returns above 12 schools as the ACC found out so you need to be extra careful now when deciding on expansion.
and we pick up anyone in the ACC who actually cares about football ... anyone???
what a weird conference this will be... at least the Pac-16 would have been geographically contiguous, this is almost as bad as the Big East with three random eastern schools in states that don't even border each other let alone Iowa or Kansas. Cincinnati and Louisville would have at least made the thing look tidy.
I know we've moved way beyond geography being a factor in these things but every move till now has made at least some vague sort of sense from a mapping perspective Hopefully if we raid the ACC's corpse we take Maryland so it all stays neat..
I have been waiting for this for two years. The way I see it, superconferences are bound to happen due to consolidation, and I think we are in place to pick up some pretty valuable real estate, in one way or another. If we pick up say UVA and UNC, UNC will bring us a great basketball team and a fast growing state, and UVA is up and coming in basketball and football. Both are top five public schools, which would give us three out of five, as someone else said. Plus, more baseball relevance, more geographic reach into the South, and obviously lacrosse. The other three ACC candidates I see are Duke, GT, and Maryland. Maryland has some natural fit with Penn State, and has had some basketball success in the past and good lacrosse, and is not a bad school. Duke has basketball, and would match up with Northwestern, and GT would ensure we have a lock on about half of the country's top engineering schools, which would bring in research dollars and prestige. I'm sympathetic that there would be some rub, at least at first, but these would be decent fits in the long run. I don't like Notre Dame, so screw 'em, and they bring in nothing geographically, plus we always say their football team is no longer relevant, so why bother?
Because of our combination of tradition, stability, academics and most attractively revenue, the B1G is in a great position to compete for any school in expansion consideration. I think we should basically tell ND that it's time to get on board and then go hard after Virginia, Virginia tech and north Carolina. This gives us 4 good to great academic schools and also 4 potentially very good football programs that will make us as deep and competitive as any league including the SEC. We also expand into the fertile recruiting grounds of Virginia and north Carolina.
Good luck trying to get NC to be in a different conference than duke. That is their rival in every sport.
They probably aren't going to have much of a choice. Very few conferences are going to be lining up to add duke because they just aren't a good football school. UNCs best bet would be the big ten and I would imagine they would jump at the chance to have some stability in this conference realignment madness.
Some of you guys are really underestimating the unc/duke bball rivalry. I get that football is the king of the castle, but no way will unc and duke not be in the same conference.
I hate this bullshit. Just stay in your damn conferences.
Amen! Sometimes I wish all the conferences went back to what they were a couple years ago...even if it meant Nebraska staying in the Big 12.
Damn you, Texas.
should just go ahead and offer Texas a sweetheart deal, like a double share, and let them pick another school to come with them. Either Texas will take it and the Big XII is off the list of super conferences, or Texas demands a similar deal to stay.
I just don't see this scenario of four super conferences with every other school shut out ever happening. There are a ton of political hurdles to overcome. If it were to happen the Big 10 would be smart to grab two attractive teams and leave two spots open until the end. Can you imagine the bidding war among the schools vying for the last two spots in this new system?
What about the B1G adding NC, Duke, Maryland and Syracuse?
All have great basketball, half of them have decent football, all of them would expand the B1G's footprint and bring in new TV markets.
Plus every one of them have lacrosse, which would mean a B1G Lacrosse conference.
This conference realignment will be motivated by football primarily with thought given to academics as well. Like we saw with Kansas and the big 12 basketball or lacrosse for that matter will have next to no significance in this.
Basketball has huge tv contracts, the Tourney, and all sorts of popularity and profile...and it's an afterthought next to the football beast. I think they'll consider what's good for lacrosse five minutes after they think about what would help baseball....which is never.
This is what goes through my head when schools start talking about moving conferences now.
My prediction: everyone regrets forming conferences bigger than 12. When the WAC was at 16 it didn't last long before they broke up. I think the same thing might happen if the Big XII tries to get bigger than 12, if the ACC replaces any losses, and if the B1G adds more. Even the SEC might not like 14 teams soon.
Everyone wanted to get into a BCS conference to get access to BCS money. Utah was the luckiest by playing their way into the Pac-12, and that's why TCU and everyone else the Big East has added recently took the chance. But with the playoff and new B12-SEC bowl game, it looks like the BCS will stop to exist soon. Bigger conferences just means it's harder for each team to win it.
I won't guess who, but I think someone in either the ACC or SEC will soon start to complain that it is too hard to win the conference with 14 teams, and that they would be better off in a smaller conference. If we do go to some form of 16+ team super-conferences, my prediction is that it doesn't last long, and the conferences end up splitting again into more reasonable 8 or 10 team leagues, which make much more sense.
To me, all this speculation is kind of sad. When Nebraska joined, their chancellor made the comment that changing conferences is a 100 year committment. I'm sure that Texas A&M and Missouri said that when they went to the SEC, that Pitt and SU said that to the ACC, and whoever the Big East added may have mentioned it too. Still, it seems like it's still not over (the conference merry-go-round) and the craziness will continue, and that no one seems to really be committed to their current situation, which is and should be relatively stable.
of all 120 teams. That would maximize the televsion and marketing deals because then everyone's team would be in that conference!
Obviously this creates some scheduling difficulties so I think you'd need to separate those 120 into various pods and in those pods, or "conferences" if you will, those teams will all play each other and at the end of the year teams from all of the different "conferences" can play each other. Radical, I know.
From a very long WVU thread. The one school that approached the BiG was none other than UVA!
All of those WVU fans that are banking on ND joining the SuperBig 12 are delusional. What about the Big 12 is appealing at all to a school like Notre Dame that wants to be independent? Them appalachian folk is spittin' fool's talk.
Which tradition is more important to you if you are a Notre Dame fan.....
Remaining independent or giving up your rivalries with Michigan, Boston College, Michigan State, USC, Army, Navy to instead play Kansas State, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, etc.
They aren't joining the Big XII
But if they are forced to join the Big 12 does allow schools to keep 3rd tier tv rights to themselves.
well, Notre Dame will probably be forced into a conference at some point in the near future if things keep going the way they are... and the new Big 12 would be able to use them as a convinient midway point between Iowa and the southeast for road swings, plus it would put them right on par with the other big conferences in terms of power programs.
but there's no benefit for Notre Dame and the Big 10 is a much stronger cultural and academic fit. I imagine the faculty would riot if they cast their lot with FSU and Texas Tech over us.
If our president were to fly to B1G country she wouldn't go through Richmond and Roanoke. Charlottesville has its own airport.
Has randomly tracking flights ever led to anything remotely accurate or insightful?
I would not be very big on adding UVA. Don't get me wrong: it's an amazing school, definitely on the same level as Michigan. But from a football and basketball perspective I don't see them adding much. If we go after anyone in the ACC, get Duke and UNC together. I'm fine with adding Duke's crappy Indiana-esque football team if it means we get their basketball team.
It's in FSU's best interest to leave. Save for VaTech and FSU, neither of which has proven it can win the big game, the ACC is a joke for football. But FSU does look like its on it's way back.
it's sort of like thinking about what you want for Christmas as a kid. I want UNC and UVa. If I have to take some slop to get them, I'll do it.
Some interesting Christmases as a kid.
C'mon XBox, C'mon XBox...
Crap, a box of dirt.
I am fine with where we are at with 12 teams. Regardless of all this superconference speculation, I really hope the B1G shuts itself off from further expansion unless it can hit an absolute home run, like acquiring ND, or UNC/Duke together.