OT - Florida fires O.C.

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Listening to the phone interview provides some depth into the factors weighing on Brandon and Hoke in considering Borges.  Most notably, the common sensical concern any high profile OC would have in coming into an environment with increasingly unhappy fans, where there is the potential for a clean coaching sweep in a year or two.

This helps provide some insight as to the benefits born from Brandon's public display of support for Hoke, in helping the program not only hold high profile recruits, but also provide more comfort to potential replacement OCs in the event we go in that direction.

One major difference re timing - Florida's season is over, Michigan's still have a month.  Florida's travails and misadventures in managing this OC change can provide fans a glimpse of what we might be facing come January, again, again, if we go the route of firing my lovely avatar.

CLord

December 1st, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^

In 2006, Pease became wide receivers coach at BSU, adding the title of assistant head coach the following year. In December 2010, Pease was named offensive coordinator at Indiana. However, he returned to Boise less than two weeks later, succeeding Bryan Harsin as the Broncos' offensive coordinator.  I'd say they peaked before he took over the reins, and he inherited their greatest QB ever.

1974

December 1st, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^

I have often *assumed* as much.

Everyone has their weaknesses. Hoke has been an excellent recruiter and a poised (in his own way) "face" man for the program. He probably knows a thing or two about coaching the D-line. Seems to have a thing for tipping his hand and running into stacked lines, though, much like a couple of his predecessors .....

CLord

December 1st, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^

Our O lost one starting WR and two back up RBs, but aside from minor ailments that sidelined a player for a week or two, was relatively healthy.  Losing Pip for the year was the most brutal blow to the team I'd say.  Missing him along with Ross and Jarrod for the OSU game hurt.

CLord

December 1st, 2013 at 7:40 PM ^

Yep.  With him we probably kick that FG in the second half instead of going for it on 4th and 2 and failing.  Those 3 points might have won us the game. Not to mention with him, Hoke might have had more confidence going into OT and would have done as Auburn did and kicked the extra point.  But given Ohio didn't punt once in the second half, I wasn't holding my breath for victory in OT, but then again, anything can happen in OT.   Given Gibbons' absence, I'm still cool with the go for 2.

Muttley

December 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 AM ^

The difference, as you point out, is that OT puts a team in immediate FG range.  Multiple OT games usually involve one or more FGs, which IMO gave Ohio the edge in OT.

Rather than play a format that gave an edge to Ohio, Brady chose to go for the coin flip (as Devin was torching Ohio all game long.)  I think it was a reasonable decision.

Old Man Coyote

December 1st, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^

I think the approach to football between Florida and Michigan is very different.  Loyalty does not hold the currency in the UF Athletic Department that it does at UM.  I think firing Borges would be an excruciating experience for Hoke and therefore he is looking for reasons NOT to.  The Ohio game worked perfectly into Borges' favor in that respect. 

Additionally, you'd have to wonder who Michigan could get to be an OC right now. 

CLord

December 1st, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^

As has been stated here ad nauseum, Hoke's history is not devoid of letting assistants go.  Personally I admire Borges for working his ass off for this final game when he could have mailed it in, but any warm, fuzzy afterglow of his work for The Game could quickly be wiped away by anyone bothering to press play on their DVR'd copies of the MSU and PSU games this year.

I agree with you though that this isn't an easy decision, and devoid of a surefire, quality OC in the wings, it wouldn't surprise me to see Hoke stick with Borges, and hope that he shore up these massive deficiencies in OL play and coaching, and that he devise a gameplan to counter the MSU/PSU blitz happy defensive schemes which, as my signature attests, completely owned him.   To be clear, Ohio's defensive gameplan was not nearly as aggressive as MSU and PSU, perhaps in part because they  didn't feel they needed to take those risks on D given their insanely efficient offense (zero punts in the second half).

Don

December 2nd, 2013 at 9:58 AM ^

the assistants that Hoke let go at Ball State were holdovers from Lynch's staff. There is no record of Hoke firing assistants that he chose himself.

That doesn't mean that it won't or can't happen, but he hasn't done that yet in his coaching career.

Victor Hale II

December 1st, 2013 at 8:17 PM ^

I'd imagine that quite a few coaches would jump at the chance to take the reins of the offense with this young, talented group of Wolverines.  Sure, it may not be a big name guy, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't be successful and end up being a big name guy.

LSAClassOf2000

December 1st, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^

Granted, this is a limited comparison - SEC vs. Big Ten and other qualifiers apply (like their injury situation) - but so you can see that we are, at least, doing somewhat better than Florida this year:

Metric
Florida Michigan
Points/Game 18.7 (#109) 33.8 (#28)
Yards/Game 320.1 (#112) 383.2 (#79)
Points/Play 0.271 (#106) 0.464 (#30)
Yards/Play 4.6 (#109) 5.3 (#75)
3D Conversion % 39.49% (#67) 39.41% (#68)
4D Conversion % 62.50% (#24) 53.85% (#46)
RZ Scoring % 70.27% (#113) 84.44% (#49)
Rush Play % 58.63% (#22) 55.05% (#47)
Yards/Rush 3.6 (#94) 3.3 (#110)
Rushes/Game 40.5 (#47) 40.0 (#51)
Rush Yards/Game 144.7 (#82) 131.2 (#95)
Pass Play % 41.37% (#104) 44.95% (#79)
Completion % 64.69% (#22) 59.66% (#54)
Yards/Pass 6.7 (#82) 8.5 (#17)
Passes/Game 26.0 (#108) 29.8 (#88)
Pass Yards/Game 175.4 (#105) 252.1 (#42)
Int Thrown % 3.15% (#76) 3.36% (#84)
QB Sacked % 8.92% (#115) 8.93% (#116)

I only post this in the event anyone was curious as to what the two situations looke like. The rank in FBS play is in parentheses here. 

robpollard

December 1st, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^

They had horrible injuries this year. To put in perspective, how do you think UM would have done if we lost Gardner (starting QB) along with Lewan, Bosch, Magnuson and Scholfied (all  starting OL except the C)? There were a few more injuries than that, but basically comparable to our loss of Darboh and D Johnson.

All that said, they haven't been good at offense for a while, which is why they are probably trigger happy. But with those kind of injuries, you're not going to have much of a shot.

buddhafrog

December 1st, 2013 at 10:25 PM ^

Borges would NOT be fired for his avg stats - which are not horrible save for some really bad running numbers.

Borges would be fired for his terrible games and lack of development.  We had a few outstanding games that really brought up our numbers.  Borges would be fired for the 4 games in which UM had some of it's worse offensive numbers in the modern era.

goblue81

December 1st, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

Didn't Florida have a ton of injuries on offense (1/2 string QBs, etc...)?  Not making excuses other than the OC probably wasn't the only issue, but someone had to take the fall.  I think Muschamp had no choice - execute the OC or fall on the sword himself.  He probably bought himself 1 year.

aiglick

December 1st, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

I would say Al has done us a solid by publicly saying that working under Hoke is a dream job. He runs the offense pretty much carte blanche with a mandate of we need to run a pro style offense. If Hoke gets rid of Borges this year (in addition to maybe a couple of the position coaches on the offensive side of the ball) I personally would give the revamped staff three years to make us a national contender.

I think next year is going to be immensely better (if we make staff changes to get top of the line staff that fit the pro style mandate). However, if we make no changes at all with staff this year and next year does not dramatically improve then it no matter what changes are made next year I would say 2015 is do or die time absent our entire two deep getting injured that year. I honestly think our fan base has been relatively reasonable considering 1) This is Michigan and we have high expectations for good reasons due to the immense resources at the disposal of the program and 2) our chief rival OSU is having immense success in the first two years of a coaching transition and we should at least be equal as a program to them since this is the historical norm.

CLord

December 1st, 2013 at 7:43 PM ^

Concur, however not re next year.  Next year will be immensely better re rushing the football because honestly there isn't much room for being worse than this year, but given the brutality of our road schedule next year (@ND,MSU,NW,Ohio), not sure the cards are stacked in favor of immense improvement.

The Game will always be the key game of the year, but the other key game will definitely be @MSU not so much because /obvious rival game, but to see if our OC, whomever that might be, has bridged the cavernous gap evidenced this year between MSU's defensive schemes and execution and our offensive schemes and execution.

Swazi

December 1st, 2013 at 9:31 PM ^

The OL has to be better overall, which I think it will.  Magnuson has shown glimpses of being very good, and he'll move to OT next year.  Glassgow may move over back to LG if Kugler shows he can call protections well enough.  He had decent size coming in as a freshman (6-5/ 287) so I am sure he will be at or pretty close to starting size next year with an offseason of weight lifting.  He's already as big as Miller, and has had two fewer years in the program.

 

My prediction for the starting OL next year would be:

 

T: Braden

G: Glassgow

C; Kugler

G: Kalis

T: Magnuson

 

Young again, yes.  But this is what happens when you have 2 OL in 2010 and 2011.  

Muttley

December 2nd, 2013 at 1:31 AM ^

to fill.

Urbz inheirited classes recruited by Tressel through his BCS bowl win over Arkansas year or by himself as he was named head coach with a couple of months until signing day.

Brady inheirited RichRod recruiting classes that were trending downward including the 2010 27 three-star smorgasboard (most are gone by now) plus he had only three weeks before the 2011 signing day.

blueblueblue

December 1st, 2013 at 7:20 PM ^

Hoke said last night that he likes how the team is playing, but wants to see if they keep it up in the bowl game. He implies that his opinion of how the team is doing now rests on the bowl game. I think if Al calls a good bowl game, he stays. It would be difficult for Hoke to fire him when we are on an upward swing, even if Al played a role in creating an environment in which an upward swing is necessary. 

CLord

December 1st, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^

Makes perfectly good sense.  Borges' season can be characterized as utter futility bookended by two excellent showings vs ND and Ohio.  Indiana wasn't a quality enough team or defense (pass rush? what's that?) to toss any cache Al's way from that game.  If anything, the fact that the offense came together as well as it did vs Ohio and ND helps Al, but also actually undermines Al in terms of excusing his futility in other games on player inexperience. 

It's going to be a tough decision for Hoke and Brandon but personally I think it will come down to whether they have a strong viable replacement candidate.  If they don't.  We'll enjoy my avatar one more year, and hopefully he'll shore up not only the OL, but his predictability, and improve on his QB's ability to check down.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 1st, 2013 at 7:54 PM ^

42 vs Minnesota, 41 vs ND, and 41 vs OSU.Turnovers killed the team versus Akron and UConn. Outside the three game span of horror his offense moved the ball when it wasn't turning it over.

Frankly, I don't know what to make of Borges. He has some appalling games(Iowa in 2011 and 2013) but some glorious games as well(OSU 2011 and 2013). It seems that his best games come at home while his worst come on the road. (Save for the Nebraska outlier.)This might be a significant reason why UM struggles so much on the road under Hoke.

 

Either way, the guy has to go. He hasn't proven to be  consistently good enough in three years to warrant keeping his job. Pat Narduzzi's ownership of the man only gives further credence to this.

PrincetonBlue

December 1st, 2013 at 9:29 PM ^

With PSU, overtime & scholarship depletion caveats apply...

Minnesota caveats apply

CMU caveats apply

Akron and UConn were pretty futile if you ask me offensively, plus Akron and UConn caveats apply

Outside of OSU 2013 and Notre Dame 2013,  it looks just about like "utter futility" to me in 2013.  That's 10 out of 12...statistically significant