O coordinator the same guy that masterminded the Boise St offense when they were at their peak?
Edit: Missed the link at first. Yes is the answer, same guy from Boise.
OT - Florida fires O.C.
O coordinator the same guy that masterminded the Boise St offense when they were at their peak?
In 2006, Pease became wide receivers coach at BSU, adding the title of assistant head coach the following year. In December 2010, Pease was named offensive coordinator at Indiana. However, he returned to Boise less than two weeks later, succeeding Bryan Harsin as the Broncos' offensive coordinator. I'd say they peaked before he took over the reins, and he inherited their greatest QB ever.
thanks for the background. By the sounds of it, the Gator fans make it out that Muschamp wouldn't let the guy run his own style of offense.
I have often wondered if that is what has gone on with Borges/Hoke this season.
I have often *assumed* as much.
Everyone has their weaknesses. Hoke has been an excellent recruiter and a poised (in his own way) "face" man for the program. He probably knows a thing or two about coaching the D-line. Seems to have a thing for tipping his hand and running into stacked lines, though, much like a couple of his predecessors .....
I think he has an excellent resume and would be a good candidate here. Their OL was totally destroyed due to injuries.
Our O lost one starting WR and two back up RBs, but aside from minor ailments that sidelined a player for a week or two, was relatively healthy. Losing Pip for the year was the most brutal blow to the team I'd say. Missing him along with Ross and Jarrod for the OSU game hurt.
Gibbons was by far the biggest absence yesterday.
Yep. With him we probably kick that FG in the second half instead of going for it on 4th and 2 and failing. Those 3 points might have won us the game. Not to mention with him, Hoke might have had more confidence going into OT and would have done as Auburn did and kicked the extra point. But given Ohio didn't punt once in the second half, I wasn't holding my breath for victory in OT, but then again, anything can happen in OT. Given Gibbons' absence, I'm still cool with the go for 2.
The difference, as you point out, is that OT puts a team in immediate FG range. Multiple OT games usually involve one or more FGs, which IMO gave Ohio the edge in OT.
Rather than play a format that gave an edge to Ohio, Brady chose to go for the coin flip (as Devin was torching Ohio all game long.) I think it was a reasonable decision.
Sorry, I didn't watch the game because I had to do something. What happened to Gibbons?
I don't know man. I have to believe we could have gotten at least one more stop had James Ross been in the game. He is one of the few guys in our front seven that comes close to Miller's quickness.
Wilson's absence likely hurt us on the long TD pass, as well.
They still made the first down on this play.
I think the approach to football between Florida and Michigan is very different. Loyalty does not hold the currency in the UF Athletic Department that it does at UM. I think firing Borges would be an excruciating experience for Hoke and therefore he is looking for reasons NOT to. The Ohio game worked perfectly into Borges' favor in that respect.
Additionally, you'd have to wonder who Michigan could get to be an OC right now.
As has been stated here ad nauseum, Hoke's history is not devoid of letting assistants go. Personally I admire Borges for working his ass off for this final game when he could have mailed it in, but any warm, fuzzy afterglow of his work for The Game could quickly be wiped away by anyone bothering to press play on their DVR'd copies of the MSU and PSU games this year.
I agree with you though that this isn't an easy decision, and devoid of a surefire, quality OC in the wings, it wouldn't surprise me to see Hoke stick with Borges, and hope that he shore up these massive deficiencies in OL play and coaching, and that he devise a gameplan to counter the MSU/PSU blitz happy defensive schemes which, as my signature attests, completely owned him. To be clear, Ohio's defensive gameplan was not nearly as aggressive as MSU and PSU, perhaps in part because they didn't feel they needed to take those risks on D given their insanely efficient offense (zero punts in the second half).
the assistants that Hoke let go at Ball State were holdovers from Lynch's staff. There is no record of Hoke firing assistants that he chose himself.
That doesn't mean that it won't or can't happen, but he hasn't done that yet in his coaching career.
You are expected to wear the big boy pants and make the tough decisions. Mack Brown salvaged his season letting go of Diaz his DC game three after disastrous losses.
wasn't he considered a wunderkind a few years ago? now he is fired.
I'd imagine that quite a few coaches would jump at the chance to take the reins of the offense with this young, talented group of Wolverines. Sure, it may not be a big name guy, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't be successful and end up being a big name guy.
Granted, this is a limited comparison - SEC vs. Big Ten and other qualifiers apply (like their injury situation) - but so you can see that we are, at least, doing somewhat better than Florida this year:
|Points/Game||18.7 (#109)||33.8 (#28)|
|Yards/Game||320.1 (#112)||383.2 (#79)|
|Points/Play||0.271 (#106)||0.464 (#30)|
|Yards/Play||4.6 (#109)||5.3 (#75)|
|3D Conversion %||39.49% (#67)||39.41% (#68)|
|4D Conversion %||62.50% (#24)||53.85% (#46)|
|RZ Scoring %||70.27% (#113)||84.44% (#49)|
|Rush Play %||58.63% (#22)||55.05% (#47)|
|Yards/Rush||3.6 (#94)||3.3 (#110)|
|Rushes/Game||40.5 (#47)||40.0 (#51)|
|Rush Yards/Game||144.7 (#82)||131.2 (#95)|
|Pass Play %||41.37% (#104)||44.95% (#79)|
|Completion %||64.69% (#22)||59.66% (#54)|
|Yards/Pass||6.7 (#82)||8.5 (#17)|
|Passes/Game||26.0 (#108)||29.8 (#88)|
|Pass Yards/Game||175.4 (#105)||252.1 (#42)|
|Int Thrown %||3.15% (#76)||3.36% (#84)|
|QB Sacked %||8.92% (#115)||8.93% (#116)|
I only post this in the event anyone was curious as to what the two situations looke like. The rank in FBS play is in parentheses here.
They had horrible injuries this year. To put in perspective, how do you think UM would have done if we lost Gardner (starting QB) along with Lewan, Bosch, Magnuson and Scholfied (all starting OL except the C)? There were a few more injuries than that, but basically comparable to our loss of Darboh and D Johnson.
All that said, they haven't been good at offense for a while, which is why they are probably trigger happy. But with those kind of injuries, you're not going to have much of a shot.
Yes indeed, and this is why I qualified it, of course - they aren't completely comparable, but the numbers are interesting side-by-side all the same. Florida's situation is rather different, and as you mentioned, they've had this problem for a bit now.
4 years according to the report.
Borges would NOT be fired for his avg stats - which are not horrible save for some really bad running numbers.
Borges would be fired for his terrible games and lack of development. We had a few outstanding games that really brought up our numbers. Borges would be fired for the 4 games in which UM had some of it's worse offensive numbers in the modern era.
as the guy who drowned in the proverbial lake of 2 foot average depth found out.
Michigan's numbers a boosted greatly by the insane numbers put up against Indiana and OSU.
That said, I think Borges stays after the OSU game.
Didn't Florida have a ton of injuries on offense (1/2 string QBs, etc...)? Not making excuses other than the OC probably wasn't the only issue, but someone had to take the fall. I think Muschamp had no choice - execute the OC or fall on the sword himself. He probably bought himself 1 year.
I would say Al has done us a solid by publicly saying that working under Hoke is a dream job. He runs the offense pretty much carte blanche with a mandate of we need to run a pro style offense. If Hoke gets rid of Borges this year (in addition to maybe a couple of the position coaches on the offensive side of the ball) I personally would give the revamped staff three years to make us a national contender.
I think next year is going to be immensely better (if we make staff changes to get top of the line staff that fit the pro style mandate). However, if we make no changes at all with staff this year and next year does not dramatically improve then it no matter what changes are made next year I would say 2015 is do or die time absent our entire two deep getting injured that year. I honestly think our fan base has been relatively reasonable considering 1) This is Michigan and we have high expectations for good reasons due to the immense resources at the disposal of the program and 2) our chief rival OSU is having immense success in the first two years of a coaching transition and we should at least be equal as a program to them since this is the historical norm.
Concur, however not re next year. Next year will be immensely better re rushing the football because honestly there isn't much room for being worse than this year, but given the brutality of our road schedule next year (@ND,MSU,NW,Ohio), not sure the cards are stacked in favor of immense improvement.
The Game will always be the key game of the year, but the other key game will definitely be @MSU not so much because /obvious rival game, but to see if our OC, whomever that might be, has bridged the cavernous gap evidenced this year between MSU's defensive schemes and execution and our offensive schemes and execution.
The OL has to be better overall, which I think it will. Magnuson has shown glimpses of being very good, and he'll move to OT next year. Glassgow may move over back to LG if Kugler shows he can call protections well enough. He had decent size coming in as a freshman (6-5/ 287) so I am sure he will be at or pretty close to starting size next year with an offseason of weight lifting. He's already as big as Miller, and has had two fewer years in the program.
My prediction for the starting OL next year would be:
Young again, yes. But this is what happens when you have 2 OL in 2010 and 2011.
Things can always get worse.
Immense resources doesn't always mean contender...I mean just ask Tenneesee, Notre Dame, and Texas...
Urbz inheirited classes recruited by Tressel through his BCS bowl win over Arkansas year or by himself as he was named head coach with a couple of months until signing day.
Brady inheirited RichRod recruiting classes that were trending downward including the 2010 27 three-star smorgasboard (most are gone by now) plus he had only three weeks before the 2011 signing day.
Noonan.... you can do it...
Hoke said last night that he likes how the team is playing, but wants to see if they keep it up in the bowl game. He implies that his opinion of how the team is doing now rests on the bowl game. I think if Al calls a good bowl game, he stays. It would be difficult for Hoke to fire him when we are on an upward swing, even if Al played a role in creating an environment in which an upward swing is necessary.
Makes perfectly good sense. Borges' season can be characterized as utter futility bookended by two excellent showings vs ND and Ohio. Indiana wasn't a quality enough team or defense (pass rush? what's that?) to toss any cache Al's way from that game. If anything, the fact that the offense came together as well as it did vs Ohio and ND helps Al, but also actually undermines Al in terms of excusing his futility in other games on player inexperience.
It's going to be a tough decision for Hoke and Brandon but personally I think it will come down to whether they have a strong viable replacement candidate. If they don't. We'll enjoy my avatar one more year, and hopefully he'll shore up not only the OL, but his predictability, and improve on his QB's ability to check down.
42 vs Minnesota, 41 vs ND, and 41 vs OSU.Turnovers killed the team versus Akron and UConn. Outside the three game span of horror his offense moved the ball when it wasn't turning it over.
Frankly, I don't know what to make of Borges. He has some appalling games(Iowa in 2011 and 2013) but some glorious games as well(OSU 2011 and 2013). It seems that his best games come at home while his worst come on the road. (Save for the Nebraska outlier.)This might be a significant reason why UM struggles so much on the road under Hoke.
Either way, the guy has to go. He hasn't proven to be consistently good enough in three years to warrant keeping his job. Pat Narduzzi's ownership of the man only gives further credence to this.
With PSU, overtime & scholarship depletion caveats apply...
Minnesota caveats apply
CMU caveats apply
Akron and UConn were pretty futile if you ask me offensively, plus Akron and UConn caveats apply
Outside of OSU 2013 and Notre Dame 2013, it looks just about like "utter futility" to me in 2013. That's 10 out of 12...statistically significant
Minnesota went 8-4 and was solid defensively (41st in total D, 29th in scoring D). Putting up 35 on them (seven more came on an INT return) was pretty impressive.
So long as we are arbitraily applying caveats.
Akron and UConn were bad because of turnovers. UM moved the ball well. The killer turnovers killed drives and scoring opportunities. The same for PSU.
Referencing scholarshio reductions in terms of PSU is crap. That doesn't make the statistics any less relevant.. Also, UM did most of its damage in regulation as they had 34 in regulation even with 3 turnovers.
It was really four games in 12.
I think the only common thread is that in the games where he has been successfull, like the three games cited above, the offense was sharp and effective from the start. Against OSU 2013, the first three drives yielded 21 points. What is frustrating are the games when things are not going great but only OK or so-so - there is a also a common thread of not adjusting or making some significant change.
I'm not so sure about a strong replacement candidate being a major factor. Can't they get into trouble if they go searching, even behind the scenes, for a replacement before firing a guy? I'm not sure how it works, but Hoke strikes me as the epitome of professionalism. I just can't see him not conducting a coaching change by the book - evaluate after the season, let someone go if he fails to meet Michigan's standards, and then look for a replacement.
Borges is not getting canned. Dave Brandon is laughing at all of us right now.
He is counting our money
on the good seats after a successful 2014 season.
Brandon doesn't hire or fire assistant coaches in the first place.
No way they keep him for the Bowl game. My guess, if Al is still here, he will be here next year.
I agree, you don't want to ruin recruiting by changing regimes close to the end of the recruiting season.
Borges has no active role in recruiting, so replacing him isn't going to affect offensive recruiting.
Hoke stays loyal and keeps Al for next season. Don't agree with the move, but not my decision.
See you fickle fans! I am going to Gainesville. Me and the little lady are getting tans!!!
Florida has been atrocious on offense for years given the recruiting talent down there; I'm amazed he lasted this long. Again, I'm not expecting a move at OC this year, but if UM was planning it they would need to move quickly because Florida is going to be in the market at least for a new OC (if not a new coach), and I'm not sure how great the pickings are.
I think Borges, Funk, and Jackson are all problems, and all for different reasons. At times I think Fred is slipping, either in his ability to identify talent or develop it. I also think Borges is as hands off with Funk as Hoke is with Borges - the result being a lack of familiarity/too much trust. Then I blame Borges according to the oft repeated refrain around here, that his offense puts players in a position to fail.
For whatever reason, these three critical coaching areas have apparently not meshed well (from an outsiders perspective). That fault does lie with the O.C., but you never know if a positional coaching change is all that is needed/also needed, or a full house cleaning is in order.
Yeah. The running back situation has been a carousel of fuck since Mike Hart left. Haven't seen too many people on here mention FJ's role in all of this. However, I feel icky just firing the guy. Maybe they need to encourage him to retire out of respect...he's been with the program quite a while.
So Florida gets first crack at a new OC. Make this quick Hoke, get rid of Borges so that Michigan can be in line for a top OC. There is no point in waiting for the bowl game.
And under Urban's final days. They got lucky with a great COLLEGE QB who was hard to defend. Muschamp got tired of waiting for Mack Brown to retire and went to follow a local legend. Now FSU, sans the Jameis Winston stuff, has taken back control of the state football lead.
Sounds like the Boise guy either wasn't the mastermind he was alleged to be or got caught under the same "your will run XXX schemes" that Scott Shafer had to deal with as Michigan's one-year DC under Rich Rod and the ill-faetd 3-3-5 D, only Will may want man-ball when Florida teams can run spread.
Most people don't have to wait this long and go through so many changes. Witness MSU's O-Line shuffles a few years ago when they still won 10-11 games, in spite of O-Line issues early.
MSU wins because of a dominant defense. We don't really have a dominant anything yet.
i wish i could remember which of the recent trolls said we should hire this guy. derp.
Al isn't going anywhere. Just saying.
To year two as we did from year one of spread to year two, our offense will be fine. Yes,Taters helped over Sheridan / Threet, but the whole team had a better grasp of the offensive philosophy and workings.
This year was effectively year one of the transition to pro-style after two years of creative fusion cooking. With Bowl practices and spring ball, Borges can install more of the playbook (so maybe there is more than one play to a formation so as not to tip off the play -hint hint).
I hope he keeps a little fusion spice in the playbook and that our young o-line hit the weights hard.
I give him another year.