OT - Florida Allegations (Why Do They Have This Rule In Place?)
I know everyone here knows about the Florida allegations, I'm not trying to bring this to your attention. I am asking how Maurkice Pouncey taking the hundred grand from the agent in any way affects Florida. I understand it is a rule and I agree he deserves to be punished. Can anyone tell me how this affects Florida in such a way that they need to be punished though? Better yet, can anyone tell me why the NCAA has a rule in place where a player already on a college team that is obviously going to the NFL cannot take money from an agent?
Less than thirty seconds after posting this I found my answer. The agent could have been paying the kid to back off for the last game of the year so he doesnt get hurt. Thank you Mike and Mike in the morning.
Point Shaving if agent was a gambler or had gambling friends.
The possibility that news that you can get paid if you play at Florida gets around, and improves their recruiting.
Now, that said, I think in this case Florida should avoid any major punishment. However, even if the payment did not do anything beneficial for Florida and/or adjust the result of the game, it still shows at least a minor lack of control of the players that this was both possible and accepted. The NCAA has a long history of being very uppity over losses of control.
As I said in the first thread about this, though,the only real way to stop this would be to have the players followed 100% of the time, which just ain't gonna happen, so I hope they get off with a wrist slap. Maybe just probation without any actual punishments this time.
Yes, I completely agree with this. Institutional control is always the issue in this sort of situation. Florida is supposed to know what their players are doing and create an environment where agents know not to come poking around. But it's impossible to follow every player all of the time. So if there's a single occurance of a player breaking the rules (Florida), then a wrist slap for the school is probably appropriate. If there are many players who seem to be involved in this (USC), then a worse punishment is necessary.
I think there should be a rule holding agents accountable, they know that college athletes cannot be paid. Granted the athletes should know not to take money while in school but when you are a top athlete and constantly are having people dangle 100 grand in your face eventually some one is going to break.
I believe in the state of Florida, the agent did break a law, and if convicted could face a fine in the range of the payment and possibly jail time. Granted, that is probably a slap.
I also agree the NFL should do something. Maybe bar unethical agents. (Well that might not leave very many ...)
I see no problem with the professional league holding the agents that represent theri players accountable. If there were opening for honest agents I am sure that there are many people out there with the skill set required to fill them. It would just take a long time to be able to right the ship because the agents have been abel to get away with pretty much anything they wanted for so long.
That would fall on the state government. The NCAA as an organization can't use the threat of legal consequences because they aren't related to the government. This is kind of how their hands are tied in this situation. The only people that can be punished by the NCAA are its members. Agents aren't going to fall under their jurisdiction.
with the NFL and punish players/ agents at the NFL level for acts like this committed in college? The NFL commissioner has wide discression over ethical and improper behavior and this fits both of those.
Probably mostly because the NFL could care less. Student athletes breaking NCAA rules really has nothing to do with them.
but they actually don't want to care at all. I mean, NFL players already have enough legal trouble making a bad name for the NFL. As soon as you start dragging the player's amateur career into the pro circle as well, you make things twice as bad. They prefer to say, "If it happened before he got here, we don't know anything about it."
That is exactly the NFL's point of view. However, its really short-sighted. Any player (or agent) willing to bend or break rules in the NCAA is also prone to doing the same in the NFL.
I agree with the statement, but I still don't think it matters to the NFL as a league. If a player breaks a rule then the comish would just hammer him. It's the teams business whether or not they want a potential rogue on their squad and therefore risk losing a player for some games.
They reported the incident to both the police (yes, it is a crime down here for an agent to give a college player money) and the NCAA. Apparently, it was isolated and didn't happen until after the season. After they declare him ineligible for the Cincinnati game and vacate the victory, I don't see them getting much more than a slap on the wrist here. They might even turn it into a positive and say that their behavior shows "what happens to people who break rules here."
I feel sorry for his brother, though. He'll probably have to listen to a boatload of crap this season.