Not to sure about him. The Bears did go 10-6. They won when they needed to and the only reason they aren't playoff bound is because they play in the toughest division in the NFC.
OT: Firing Day in NFL
I don't see him out of work for long.
A lot of open spots for him now decisions decisions
Their "family run" operation with the McCaskey family would be untenable for a control freak like Saban.
That said, he's probably looking at the success that Greg Schiano is having in Tampa and wondering why he could not do the same in Miami.
There is a lot of talk about Saban in Cleveland. Everyone realizes it is a long-shot, but if he wins another NC, he might want to seek another chance to succeed in the NFL. He was a former coach with the Browns and Trent Richardson is on the team.
Personally, I doubt he would leave Alabama, but the Browns' new owner, Jimmy Haslam, seems to be one of those guys who doesn't want to wait long for a winner and is ready to write big checks.
My in laws live in Chicago and are huge Bears fans, the prevailing feeling among them is that Lovie should've been out last year instead of/in addition to the GM Jerry Angelo. I think short of playoffs, he was gonna get fired one way or another.
There isn't really any loyalty there, and given the way the Bears started the season, they should've been a lock for the playoffs. Not your typical firing candidate, but I understand it.
How did they win when they needed to? They only needed to win the last game? They needed to win at least one more game during the season and they didn't.
Lovie has missed the playoffs 5 times in the last 6 years. The guy is 19-40 against winning teams. He also cannot hire coaches for the life of him. Why would someone hire a OC with not a single play called out of his mouth? This was a long time making.
10-6, yea I'll let him take over the Lions
I hope Schwatz gets fired, but I'm also worried that with so many other franchises out there looking to hire, we'd end up with someone even worse.
With the Fords, that's almost a certainty, but I'll be surprised if they let anybody go. If they do, it'll be Schwartz but not Mayhew, so only half the problem would be dealt with. The Fords have been even more patient with their GMs than their HCs, which is a huge part of the problem.
I hear the Fords are refusing to fire Mayhew until they can find another Millen assistant to make GM.
Honestly I'd take Smith or Turner. Maybe even Reid. Those guys at least know know how to build a functional roster of sorts. I doubt we'd win a Super Bowl with any of them, but they could at least make the Lions functional and give us a shot of attracting a hot young name later to take us over the top.
Or Gruden, you know just because you can't have a coaching search without Gruden rumors.
I have follwed Andy Reid for over a decade and think that he would be a PERFECT fit for the Lions. These past two seasons aside, he is a great culture and locker-room guy who players want to play for. The Detroit media is an order of magnitude easier to deal with than Philly, while the fan base will be far less high maintenance; I'm sure most Lions fans would wish that the HC's biggest problems are time-out management and some stubborness in the run/pass mix on offense.
The question is whether he wants to relocate his family to Detroit as he has no real ties there.
Norv Turner is a consistent under achiever. No thanks!
just for the record.
True. Thus the difference between Senior and Junior.
Yeah, but the Ford who handles the Lions is the one who was judged too dumb to go anywhere near the car company after his time as head of the Continetal Division. They gave him a seat on the board and the Lions to get him away from the family business.
But that's par for the course with those knuckleheads.
Think that would result in a Hello post?
If the Lions want to fire Schwartz and hire Love Smith or Andy Reid, that would be fine by me.
Not Andy Reid. He has been terrible with the Eagles for the past six years. With the level of talent they have had there is no excuse for the performances they keep turning it.
Given the spate of firings, I hope the Fords aren't planning on doing a "review" and then firing Schwartz - nothing would be more Lionish than dicking around for a week and getting behind on the hiring process and settling for Plan D because you hired two weeks after everyone else did. I'm firmly in the 10-wins-or-else-in-2013 camp for both Mayhew and Schwartz.
For a team that has serious talent problems at DB, OL, RB and no consistent LB. Now 2nd and 3rd WR problems. CJ cannot do it all on his own. These problems will take years to resolve and by that time your good skilled players are getting old or have left the team via trade or FA.
Let Illitch or Gilbert buy it. I think there would be better results. The Fords are the one constant through the 50+ year debacle.
I think the NFL has a rule where you can't own more than 1 professional team, unless the other city doesn't have a football team. The owner of the Seahawks owns the Trailblazers, but that's because Portland doesn't have an NFL team... I might be wrong though
That's correct. If you own an NFL team, you cannot hold an ownership stake in another professional team in a city which has an NFL team. I think the rule would imply that, to be in compliance, the Illitch family would then have to cede ownership within a certain amount of time. For example, when Stan Kroenke made a bid for the Rams in 2010 (as I recall), the league told him he would have to give up his stake in the Nuggets and the Avalanche.
Didn't the owner of the Saints just buy the Hornets?
Yeah, I think this was discussed in a thread yesterday. Illicth could buy the Lions because the Tigers and Red Wings are in the same market, but Gilbert could not because of his ownership of the Cleveland Cavaliers being Browns territory.
I would like to respectfully throw my hat in the mix for the open (hopefully) head coaching position of the Lions.
First order of business: punch everyone in the front office in the face.
Second order of business: put feet on desk
Third order of business : light cigar
Fourth order of business: get fired, but not before collecting $1 million in severance. Rinse and repeat.
Ok. If you did nothing else it would still be better than Darryl Rogers and Rod Marinelli.
How do Lions fans feel about Norv Turner replacing Linehan?
About Turner replacing Schwartz?
... replacing Jim Schwartz? Because that's exactly the kind of move the Fords would make.
The perverse masochism of Lions season ticket holders is worthy of serious medical and psychological investigation.
big bucks for Lions season tickets and sit there game after game watching that shit. In watching the Bears game on TV, almost every seat in the lower stands was filled, despite the obvious coming loss. As you say, they must all be afflicted with some kind of bizarre masochism.
Or the NFL is really popular and the Lions are still an exciting team to watch. Yeah, they had a down year, which is a bummer. But many of their losses were close and they were in a division with 3 double-digit win teams. And this only one season after making the playoffs.
Let's not get overly dramatic.
"Still"? "A down year"? Maybe he was thinking about the down decade before last year.
How do I feel about Norv Turner? One step above how I feel about being set on fire.
So who do the Lions take with the 5th pick?
Marcus Lattimore would be an excellent choice for the Lions. Failing that, I'm sure there's some OL available with a serious season-ending knee injury that Mayhew could select.
The best pass rusher available that fits into a 4-3 system. Damontre Moore or Bjoern Werner please.
Hopefully another 1st rounder who will be a healthy scratch all season. That's how you change a franchise around. Using your first pick on guys who aren't good enough to play when healthy.
Hey Reiff was a pretty good 4th string TE / extra LT when we decided to advertise the run
LOL That was terrific.
I was debating my buddy while home for the holidays. He was trying to explain to me that Reiff was just "being groomed" for the LT spot. I tried to explain that only QB's need "grooming" in the NFL and that Reiff has arms shorter than mine. He was not having it though.
Spartan grads will argue about the color of the sky.
The Lions drafting has been beyond horrible.
IIRC, out of the 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 draft classes, there are only 2 guys left, Calvin Johnson and Andre Fluellen. There is also a very good chance that by the start of the 2012 season, there will be no one left from the 2008 draft class either, as Gosder has been a bust, Kevin Smith will probably get let go, and I don't think they're going to pony up the cash to keep Avril.
The 2009 class was solid, with Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy, and Sammie Lee Hill all being contributors, but the 2010, and 11 classes are already in danger of being washouts.
Suh might be the only guy left from the 2010 class, as Best's career might be over, Spievey is terrible, Fox has played in 1 game the past 2 years, Tim Toone never made the team, and Willie Young had an inspiring 0 sacks this year.
2011 will most likely be down to Fairley and Leshoure, as Titus Young may be cut for his mental issues. Leshoure didn't exactly look all that great either (although it's hard to tell how good any running back is behind the Lions' offensive line).
2012's class didn't exactly get off to a great start either. Reiff couldn't crack the starting line up over 35 year old Jeff Backus, or the terrible Gosder Cherilus. Ryan Broyles had one good game and tore his ACL. Bill Bentley did a few things before his season came to and end early on in the year due to concussions, and everyone else was relegated to special teams.
I'd like an OL or an outside LB with that #5 pick. However, depending on how his mental evaluations/drug tests go, I'd love to see us use a 3rd round or later pick to take a gamble on the honey badger.
"I'd love to see us use a 3rd round or later pick to take a gamble on the honey badger."
That would be the dumbest thing the Lions could possibly do. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul
Yeah, we should totally add a guy who smokes so much weed he got kicked off of an SEC team, to a roster including Nick Fairley and Mikel Leshoure. What, did you not get your fill of dickheads in Honolulu blue after Titus Young got booted?
I'm just that damn desperate for someone decent in our secondary, and this draft is slim pickings for that.
I do think we can find someone else. Honestly, given the choice between leaving the secondary exactly as it is, or adding another potential shithead to the rather combustible mix we have, I'll take the former and not even consider the latter.
The Lions' character issues have been over blown. IMO, it's basically Titus Young.
Weed is illegal, and drugs are bad M'kay, but I don't think of that as being a character issue so much as an unfortunate incident.
Suh's "character issues" are a complete fabrication by ESPN to generate discussion and page views. This season, he had one non-incident that blew up into a ridiculous fire storm, courtesy of the WWL, and 1(?) roughing the passer penalty, 2 total penalties on the year.
The Lions are in desperate need of talent in the secondary. If they can steal a kid like Honey Badger and it works out, fantastic. If not, oh well. The upside is more than worth the risk.
I hate this idea so much I spazzed on the save button. Good work, me.
I'm ok with that idea. Hell, Vantaze Burfict ended up alright after he basically said fuck it at ASU of all places. He was a late round pick and is having a hell of a year in Cincy. I am ok with taking fliers in late rounds and Honey Badger is a hell of a talent.
Yea he might fuck up, but he might put it all together and do something special on the field. that's all I really care about from pros. Do what you want, don't kill anyone and come to play on Sunday.
Take the best LT available in the 1st round, slide Reiff over to the RT spot where he belongs. Then you draft the best available guard with your 2nd round pick, and if they can trade up to get a solid pass rusher (this draft is loaded with them), that would be nice. Maybe take a late flier on a kid with character issues in the secondary (hint hint).
"RABBLE RABBLE! Still not addressing the secondary." I know, but the Lions have too many holes to fill and only one draft. They desperately need to upgrade their OLine or they're throwing a franchise QB down the toilet.
Bears fan here. I don't have strong feelings either way about the firing of Lovie Smith. But I have gotten extremely annoyed lately by Bears fans who site Smiths stoicism as the reason they want him gone. Essentially, after a bad call the Bears fans I know apparently want our coach to throw a temper tantrum, thus demonstrating his strong desire to win... Or some shit. I don't know.
I just hope the Bears don't go and hire someone tempestuous as Josh Mcdaniels or Gruden.
Maybe Lovie could start trying to beat up opposing coaches during post-game handshakes. That would be classy.
As a Browns fan everyone knew the house would be cleaned. While there is a good crop of young players in place, I can't imagine Cleveland is going to get the top choice. There has to be an under the radar guy that wants to be in Cleveland.
Aren't their top choices Saban or BOB?
I've heard both names, but doubt that they'll land either one.
These firings are the reason why I think the majority of teams in professional sports are a joke. These coaches tend to be sacrificial lambs for shitty owners that show no intent on making their teams better. Really Bills, Browns, Jags, and Chiefs? You guys have been laughingstocks for years. You think Cowher is gonna walk through the door and do a complete 180 with your team this year? You think some "sexy" college coach whose methods are effective with 18-22, but not with grown millionaires with egos is going to turn things around?
These owners should take a look at every proffesional league regardless of the sport, and look at the perenial contenders. There's a reason why they are the four or five teams that are picked to win championships every year. It's because they have a certain model that they adere to, and they draft players and hire coaches that fit that model.
You have to answer "who's available out there that's better and will take the job?" Might be an easy question with, say, the Lions. Not sure if teams like Chicago have a lot of better candidates out there. There probably is someone, but it's not a long list.
Why u not have edit option? The spelling and grammar stink in that post. I apologize to all grammar nazi's. Sheez.
Chan Gailey is a joke, and deserved being fired. Reid, good coach, but his time in Philly was long over.
However, I am kindve surprised Lovie got fired. Still won 10 games with an awful OL. Fire the GM if anything for never getting Cutler protection. And if KC doesn't fire Pioli, I'll be absolutely stunned.
Any word on if Scwartz is getting canned?
College football is going to be the same in the near future. It is really close already sadly.
I know the perfect hires for almost every team so far:
- Nick Saban to the Browns
- Chip Kelly to the Eagles
- Lane Kiffin to the Chargers
- Kirk Ferentz to Kansas City
After all of this happens, Michigan will go in, steal ALL of their recruits, and we win a National Championship in 2013. Book it!
If the lions make a change, and they bring in Reid, Reid basically should take on Lovie and many of his defensive and special team coaches. Lions would be instantly better. Reid offensive schemes matched with Lovies sound defense and special teams. Lions actually draft a couple decent players and they could take over as contenders in a tough NFC north.
As a Bears fan, soft one at that, I am not sure this was the right move. Bear's issues are an aging roster that lacks depth at key positions and just can't find quality offensive lineman; which to be fair is plaguing most across the league. It will be interesting to see if the Bears try to bring in Rivera or another former Bear. That seems like something the McCaskis would do. Emery is a smart guy and made some good moves last few years, but he needs more time to build the roster. Maybe him and Lovie couldn't get on the same page from a roster standpoint.
I don't see why Reid or Lovie would want to come to Detroit. The Lions have as good a chance of landing that combination as they do with Vince Lombardi and Mike Ditka
Add Ken Whisenhunt to that list - just got canned along with his GM in Arizona.
Perennial underachiever who gets great talent and always seems to fall just short of the playoffs and NEVER goes to the Super Bowl.
He's a good OC though.
Lions biggest problem is no discipline, no talent in the secondary and and old, slow O line that can't open a hole or protect the QB. If it wasn't for the talent of MS and CJ and the Dline, the Lions would be 0-16 again.
If they don't get a shutdown corner, two top Olinemen and a safety, the'll repeat this 4-12 crap.
Schwartz has one more chance as I see it. Firing him is pointless with so many other jobs out there and so few great candidates and Detroit is the graveyard of coaches.
Stafford has had plenty of time to throw. The stats bear this out.The issue with the OL is that it isn't good at run blocking as well as being old.
There are very few "shutdown corners". LIke in there being only a handful in the entire league. I'd settle for solid coverage guys with decent ball skills. Secondly, you don't need "top" OL, just solid players. Thirdly, the Lions need defensive ends who can rush the passer badly.KVB is done, Avril is gone, and the rest are backups. They also need LB's who can make plays. Teo would be perfect in Detroit at MLB. I know they like Tulloch, but Teo is an upgrade.
1st Round Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
OR DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
2ed Round Barret Jones G/C/OT, Alabama
or Eric Reid S, LSU
3-7th OL/DB/DE's pending on what they do above.
If they can re-sign Delmas and add another decent safety in free agency then that frees them up to take an elite pass rusher or Teo in the draft.
Keep your hands off Lovie Smith. I want him as Green Bay's next DC.
Who will the Chargers hire?
Will the Lions fire Schwartz? I thought this was going to happen, but haven't heard yet..thoughts?
If he makes it to .500 or 7-9 next season, Schwartz will ge another year. Ford will say wow, what an improvement. He took a 4-12 team to 7-9, real progress...then you know his 3rd year will be 5-11. Typical Lions' coaching record.
This is why I never bought into the "Bobby Petrino as quitter" meme. NFL teams have no problem and no conscience when it comes to firing coaches. Consequently, I don't feel the least bit of sorrow for any college or NFL franchise whose coach moves on.
Loyalty runs both ways; colleges and NFL franchises don't bother with loyalty anymore, so why should coaches? Between the last three college seasons and "Black Monday," no coach should ever even bother with mixed emotions if he gets a chance to jump somewhere else for more money.
Of the worst teams in the nfl made a major move firing their gm, hc or coordinator. My beloved Lions fire the wr coach who produced a wr who just broke Jerry frickin Rice's record. Classic.