This is just sad and depressing, thoughts and prayers to all the injured.
OT - Explosion at the Boston Marathon
Just disgusting that people do this. Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families.
I haven't been able to find much information, is this believed to be intentional? There's no way this is a gas main explosion or something?
Thoughts and prayers to everyone.
2 separate explosions, it certainly looks planned.
Been reading that there were 2 that went off and they just found another 'suspicious device' in the area or something. I would very much assume it's intentional
I should have assumed, but I guess I was just...hoping sounds like the wrong word to use here.
explosions near the finish line of one of the biggest events in Boston seems to me to be too big of a coincidence to be an accident.
don't be what I think it is.
(edit - damnit, that is exactly what I thought it was)
The photos coming out are just....fuck...
what else could it be? Best case scenario it was some kind of accident involving gas lines etc., but I mean, it certainly does not look promising. I guess what you have to hope for know is that there are no casuaties and it was not coordinated with anything else still to come.
Regardless of what the perpetrators look like or believe in, they are most certainly terrorists in every sense of the word.
An act of violence perpetrated against a group of people in a crowded place during a public event is certainly a "terrorist attack" in the truest sense of the term. Not all terrorists are al-Qaeda, or Muslim, or foreign. See, e.g., Oklahoma City, Atlanta Olympics, etc.
with the blood I saw in one of the pics, I was pretty surprised to learn of no deaths.
Unfortunately I just saw reported that Boston Police said at least 3 have died.
What in the FUCK is wrong with people?
Both my parents run marathons and live in the town next to Newtown, CT. My father works with a few people who lost children in the Newtown rampage. This crap is unbelievable and hits far too close to home.
Absolutely terrible. Prayers for everyone involved.
they were saying some people lost limbs and that there were trash cans that exploded. This is terrible.
for anyone who reddits, here's the thread I've been looking at.
Wow. Prayers for everyone and I hope who ever did this gets everything he deserves and more. Coward.
in particular, could be really bad news.
Be cautious of social unrest in the next couple of days if those were sucide bombers. That could be a very concerning progression of things.
so why would there be any now?
is more divided than it has ever been. And with regard to some issues that deal specifically with the right of people to protect themselves against things that law enforcement cannot protect them against. Throw in to the hopper that our secretary of state is in Asia trying to fend off that whole nuclear war thing and needless to say that there are some that may be less than enchanted with our government right now. I am just saying, I hope people keep their heads.
And there are plenty of people that are more enchanted with our government now than there were in 2001. Let's not go into politics.
You guys are skating on some pretty thin ice in terms of the "no politics" rule.
I missed the new moderator announcement.
Is nothing political about my statement. It was not my intention to take a stance one way or another. It is just an uncomfortable time in this country.
People make mistakes when reporting what they saw in situations like these. Hopefully this has nothing to do with suicide bombers. As horrible as this crime is, our reaction could be make things worse.
Edit: definitely weren't suicide bombers. It was BS.
This doesn't sound like an accident
Explosives K9 requested to the front of the Mandarin Hotel to investigate a possible device. Copley area being evacuated.
— Steve (@alertnewengland) April 15, 2013
2nd explosion was ~3 minutes after the first. Conveniently at the finish line of the Boston Marathon? I don't think this was an accident.
It was 15 seconds apart
I just saw that now they are saying at least 3 are dead and 30 injured.
I feel that no matter where you go now you're not safe. Hoping that everyone is ok and none of the injuries at life threatening. This is crazy!
Which is why I just live my life as if none of this shit exists. Tomorrow I could be walking down town, minding my own business, when a hawk spontaneously dies in mid flight, comes hurtling down from the sky, crashing into my neck, killing me instantly.
Life is too short to worry about outside forces beyond your control.
But it's still important to be thankful for the people who actively work to prevent more realistic threats from taking our lives
So F**ked....God I hope the ones responsible for this are found, rounded up, and yea...dealt with. Thoughts out to those harmed and their families, FWIW.
I cannot comprehend the sickness and depravity that would lead someone to do this.
Had been on the Boston Marathon website just an hour ago to check on Greg Meyer's elapsed time and found that Greg ( friend/high school track teammate/ UM Grad/1983 Boston Marathon Champion) had finished in 4:02.43. Was happy for him!
Now nothing but worried about him, as he is there this time around both to run and to be honored on the 30th Anniversary of his victory. Please pray for Greg and everyone there at the scene, especially anyone injured (or worse) and their families!!
the explosion occured about 4 hours 9 minutes after the start of the race. They also showed videotape of the 1st explosion, it was just off to the left of the finish line, maybe 10 yards before the finish line itself. I'm hoping Greg was well cleaar of the finish area by then. I checked the twitters to see if he has an account and so far finding nothing there...
I just heard from a friend in the GR area that WOOD-TV8 is reporting that Greg texted that station to let everyone know he and his family are OK.
Falcon and Wolvererine is ok Met him a couple of times. One of my friends growing up was friends with his familty. Nice guy.
WTF Society?!!? People are so fucked up. NO way this is a coincidence of some sort.
The increasing amount of insane people on this planet becomes more disturbing every day.
What the fuck, I mean seriously, what in the fuck!? This is just horrible beyond words. My prayers go out to everyone affected by this senseless act.
that the Newtown, CT families were in the VIP box at the finish line. Apparently no injuries, but that's just...I don't even know. All kinds of messed up, in addition to the injured/killed from the explosions today.
Also apparently they're evacuating a nearby hotel right now.
You're on a private board and we aren't having a video embedded that reportedly includes deaths and obviously includes many horrific injuries.
On the spot new MGoRule since apparently it's needed: embedded videos of bomb blasts causing death and grievous bodily injury are not acceptable to post, ever.
Sadly, I expect more bombings like this. They can't get the big explosions so they go for soft, easy targets. This isn't going to be the last such bombing.
If it is terrorism, how cowardly!
10 patients with blown off limbs as of now at MA General (or whatever the main Boston hospital downtown is)...
More are on the way...
(per Doctor at hospital...per Shep on FoxNews)
Bomb squad detonated another one. They're searching all trash cans.
Not trying to be a jerk just want some solid info where I have family in Boston
So sad u cnt even go out to a sporting event now...wonder if this has anything to do with banning guns and if ppl will be moving to bombs and stronger stuff...jus sick.
Please read more, my friend. This has zero to do with gun control. Also, no politics.
How do you possibly stop something like this?
More facts need to come out before it can be determined what this was and how/if it could have been stopped. Is it domestic terrorsim directed toward certain policy, is it senseless and random (Columbine/Sandy Hook), it the agenda foreign policy. Of all events, the Boston Marathon seems a little random, but I guess there really is no secuirty to speak of like an arena-indoor event.
You bring in a ton of police and make a big show of security at all big events. Terrorists generally go for "soft" targets where they can easily gain entrance.
Unfortunately, this probably means we're all going to have to deal with more restrictions on what can be brought into sporting events, and longer lines to get in.
That wouldn't actually solve anything. Sure, attacks on the actual sporting event would be less likely, but then the huge lines at security become easy targets. "Even more security" isn't a solution to something that can't be stopped.
That problem is solved by putting some of the security outside where the lines are. Terrorists, as a rule, do not go where policemen are. They don't want to risk getting caught.
So I say "Even more security isn't a solution" and you propose to fix that by... even more security?
I'm sorry, I was unaware that you were some kind of soothsayer. You're actlng like your opinion is fact.
Stricter security measures almost certainly do deter terrorists. This is evidenced by the fact that they consistently strike in areas that are lightly guarded. The question is how much of a sacrifice we're willing to make to our personal freedoms to allow for that security.
My poin is that even more security to protect the huge lines is just goint to lead to more huge lines waiting to get through that layer of security. How are we going to protect them, even more security?
Your last part is getting at the main point of my first post though. Since we'll never be able to completely stop something like this, adding even more security accomplishes nothing but taking away personal freedom for security theater. Which is why is bothers me to see people jumping on something like this as an excuse to add even more security when we're never going to be secure until we've given all our freedom away.
Most people - most of the time - are unwilling to kill themselves or others for a political or religious cause.
My sister in law was signed up and on her way to qualifying for this Boston Marathon until a bicycle accident put her marathon running on hold last year. I can't even imagine if she had been there. Running a marathon like that is an almost spiritual thing to a lot of runners, and now this memory will now be etched into them, mentally, emotionally, and in some unfortunate cases, physically.
There are some damn sick people in this world. I can't even begin to fathom what disease of the mind coupled with pure hatred lives inside of someone who would do such a thing. My condolences to anyone affected.
I really hope this has been cancelled. No way any large crowd should be allowed to form right now in lieu of these events.
Pretty sure the Red Sox game was already started at 12:30 or 1:00
Already over. Started at 11:00am.
That game was earlier today - I do think the Bruins are supposed to play at home tonight though, and I agree with your thinking. Thoughts and prayers to those in Boston.
The Bruins announced that they "postponed" the game tonight.
Also: Please donate blood. It is always needed. It probably will not help this specific event, but the need is always great.
May the injured by healed as completely as possible. Also condolences to those families who have lost loved ones.
Recent reports say 22 injured and 2 dead. Just horrible news.
Their game starts at 11 a.m. on Patriots Day. They won 3-2.
For those asking 'If this is terrorism...'
Doesn't it have to be? What else would it be? Any attempt to inspire terror in people is terrorism, right?
Doesn't matter if they are Muslim, white, black, or rainbow. Terrorism is colorblind.
I would imagine (some) people meant whether or not it was some kind of accident, like a gas leak or pipe explosion or something.
Yes, it does have to be. Today is Patriots day. That would be one heck of a coincidence.
Is that whether the "cause" is right, left, foreign, domestic, or just insane, the act of planting bombs at the Boston Marathon is by definition "terrorism."
Praying for the victims and families, and all first responders who have to see things no human should. Also praying for the capture of the cowards who would do something like this.
Daily Mail is now reporting 12 dead and up to 60 injured. This is horrible.
Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities.
— Boston.com News (@BostonDotCom) April 15, 2013
That's been up for a while FWIW.
Mother of god (Warning: extremely graphic picture. NSFW goes without saying)
[ED:BISB - Come Fucking On, man. Deleted for the most obvious reasons ever]
Don't post this stuff. People are going to click on it regardless of your warning and then going to wish they hadn't.
fair, but replying locks my ability to remove it
How that could possibly seem like a good idea is beyond me.
Please people, these are real human beings. Flesh and blood and bone. They have families who are worried. Some of them will never another day. Use discretion.
at the JFK library, confirmed by Boston police.
EDIT: reported fire at the library, but no injuries.
EDIT: "BPD Commissioner Ed Davis says the blast at the JFK Library, which was announced as an unrelated electrical explosion, was actually an explosion that could be related to the explosions on Boylston Street."
I made the mistake of looking at some of the photos too....this is just awful. What in blazes is wrong with humans? Thoughts and good vibes to the injured, their families and the city of Boston this evening.
A longtime friend of mine (and co-worker) was running today, and he has fortunately responded to my phone message. My boss' daughter works not terribly far from there as well - we cut the staff meeting this afternoon short so she could check on her daughter's family.
This is just awful. What possesses someone to even think of doing something like this?? Thoughts and prayers..
I suppose we're hardwired to respond differently to intentional acts than we are to accidents, but I think it's good to imagine our response to a car accident that killed two and injured twenty-something (or whatever the final numbers are) as we respond to this. We as a society only become victims of terrorism when we allow ourselves to be changed by terror itself.
I'm not sure I agree. To view this in the same way as an accident is to banalise the act, and imply that we are powerless to prevent these acts. I don't think people should overreact and live in fear after this, but they shouldn't just throw up their hands and conclude that there was no stopping these assholes.
We should make a thorough inquiry into how this happened, decide if we can prevent similar acts without sacrificing more than is worth it, and then act accordingly. There is, though, no point in treating this as any worse than the sum of the injuries and deaths suffered (plenty bad, of course). We play right into the hands of those who would terrorize us otherwise...I should say here that I used to live in Boston, that I've watched the finish of the Marathon only a few feet from the finish line, and that I've been texting with a worried friend since this happened. I "get it." I just don't want us to adopt the posture of a terrorized people. We can control that.
the work of the various engineering disciplines. We have not been terrorized by the bloodshed on the highways, we have worked to reduce it. Domestic terrorism need be treated no differently. Unleash the
The difference seems to be that cars do not intentionally try to crash and kill drivers. It is quite a bit harder to engineer against irrationality, especially with malice attached.
Sorry, but what do you mean?
Waco and Oklahoma City both on April 19th.
It's Patriot Day. First time I've heard of it, but I do remember seeing something about it this morning as it related to the Red Sox opener.
The anniversary of the VA Tech massacre is tomorrow, the 16th.
April 15 = tax day. Maybe someone was disgruntled with the amount of taxes they had to pay and took out their aggression on the marathoners. It's a bit of a stretch, but I'm guessing that's where he was going.
I could see it if it had been a government building that had been attacked. I don't see what the attraction of the Boston Marathon would be.
There are a lot of people from a lot of different countries there at the same time. I'm not sure why you'd target them, but that was the only thing that came to mind...Another thought: there really aren't even a lot of people of any type at the finish of the Boston Marathon in my experience, so it is a strange target.
This is fucking crazy. People are crazy.
latest updates 2 dead, 64 hurt.
Text messaging has been working in town, though. This whole thing is no good, you guys.
Does CNN have to show the detonation every three seconds? Jesus Christ.
This year a close friend ran for Team Hole in the Wall as well. Hole in The Wall is a camp for kids with chronic/terminal diseases... aside from the general horror of this event, the timing of it is that much worse.. this is pretty much the time when most charity runners are crossing... these runners have all raised at least $5000 for others... can't even fathom the horrible human who perpetrated this.. thoughts with all...
Really the last place I'd thought I'd see Team Hole in the Wall. Former Camper and Staff. Amazing charity. Wish it was under better circumstances.
Terrifying. I have a couple of people at the race, and one running it. What a horrible day.
"right wing extremist group could be responsible"
Oh CNN. You never cease to make me facepalm.
Yeah, what a horrible, biased news organization. I'm taking my viewership to MSNBC and/or Fox.
No fucking politics. Trust me, i've learned
How is that politics? I'm laughing at them that they're pointing fingers without any knowledge.
Just because I used the words "right" and "wing" doesn't mean I'm trying to start a conversation about politics.
You maybe going to claim you were trying to start a conversation about fried chicken instead/
Considering the history, it's not a stretch.
Thanks for keeping it clean BiSB. I thought you gave up the mod gig.
I'm hoping North Korea doesn't take credit for this. Today is there biggest national holiday.
...whenever I create a controversial thread. Sort of a "you break it, you bought it" policy.
Just like 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the numerous other atrocities that have happened here, we will get right back up. And the piece(s) of the shit that did this will pay the ultimate price.
Damn straight! Now like W said, "go shoppin'"
This kind of shit makes me sick, I hope they catch the pieces of shit responsible
Shit like this makes me want to join the National Guard, Marines, Army, police force whatever... Thoughts and prayers to those affected by this...
Become a nurse or a doctor. We need more of those than soldiers or Marines.
baa.org/individual.html has a list of their splits and finishing times, could be helpful in determining if they were around the area
This act of cowardice hits home for me as a marathon runner. I attempted a BQ at the 2011 Chicago Marathon. I was planning to defer my entry to the Boston Marathon for 2013. This would have been my attempt at the Boston Marathon. I ended up with tendenitis in my foot during the marathon and missed the cut off time for a BQ.
The aspect that is the most troubling for me is the timing of the blasts. The blasts went off at 4:10 when the majority of us normal runners would finish. What coward would plan an act of terrorism on a day and time that should be a joyous occasion. We train months if not years for marathons. It saddens me and sickens me. My heart goes out to the runners, the families and friends of those affected.
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There are reports of runners, after finishing the marathon, running straight to Mass General to donate blood. There are reports of police officers and civilians running into the smoke to do all they can to aid their fellow mankind. With such tragedies, let us remember that goodness of each other, to remember our brothers and sisters.
Tonight I am reminded of the immortal words of Martin Luther King Jr,
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Please keep your thoughts and prayers with the people of Boston, and for all the runners, their families and their friends.
Another quote that comes to mind:
"When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.'" -- Fred Rogers
God bless the helpers today.
One of the best quotes I've ever read. Thanks for sharing.
And to get those responsible
Here is a google doc for those in Boston willing to donate a bed for a runner or family looking for a place to crash.
Frickin insane. Prayers for all the victims and loved ones.
As a foreign national with a Visa I have come to see the American people in a very positive, very welcoming and very respectful light. This is a million times different than the narrative so often played out in the world. I see events like this happen and I am saddened for the families but also for the American people who I have come to know.
Thoughts and prayers to the family and to the American people who deserve better.
This is not intended to be political, but I'd wish the news organizations would at least wait for the bodies to cool before they start in on the "who did it?" part of the program. So much ignorance being spouted on places where you'd hope restraint would be the order of the day.
Coming from a former journalist... it is unfortunate that the media tends to turn tragedy into 24/7 sensationalistic entertainment, but that has been the trend for years. It's one of the major reasons I left the business.
My heart aches for everyone affected today. Such a horrible thing to go through, on a day that should have been about celebration, achievement and joy. Just sickening.
I totally agree. And the thing is, I don't really blame anyone attached to the stations for this stuff. They are probably all decent people, not intending to profit on the pain and suffering of others. But the beat must be fed, and while that beast is created by man, at this point I don't know what you can do to stop it. I actually told me wife that I'd rather the network stations just show their normal Monday programming over this breathless commentary. If you learn something useful, then by all means break into the show. But right now freaking everyone out doesn't help anything.
Thoughts and Prayers go out to everyone affected. Burn in Hell for those responsible
Sometimes I feel like death is too kind of a fate for people that are capable of monstrosities of this caliber.
We all feed
It's like blood to a vampire
I'm starting to think this is the work of a local group or individual. Had it been an attack by any large terrorist group they probably would have taken credit already, and if they had gone through the trouble of planning this out and getting people into the country I think they probably would have hit a bigger target using more explosives. I honestly think this ends up being the work of just 1 crazy person.
is just so sickening and sad. I haven't seen any of the videos and only the first images in the original post before BiSB properly got rid of them. My prayers go out to all those affected. I know this will probably be a unifying movement over the next weeks and months, but it is just sad that events like this happen and makes you realize you shouldn't take life for granted. We spend most of the time on this board talking about sports that mean a lot to us, but I'm glad that when a tragedy like this occurs, we can unite as one in both thought and actions and focus our efforts to help those that need it most. As a regular blood donor, I wish I could give right now, but I just gave double on my last visit. To all those who are able, please go donate blood to the Red Cross. It might take all of an hour out of your day, but you can save the life of someone that needs it.
As a member of the armed forces, it is time to go to work.
...but I hope you get to sit this one out.
i get nervous about the big house
Just over an hour before. The area by the flags was quite crowded, at times 8-10 people deep. It took us about 20 minutes to walk a couple blocks.
Images stick out: About 5000 runners were still left in the field on the roads leading into Boston. People came out of their houses and brought runners into homes to collect themselves until busses could pick them up. Amazing to watch the first responders immediately race to the point of the explosion. Racers immediately rushed to the hospitals to donate blood. Through the surreal horror of it all, I'm struck that the human spirit cannot be quenched.
Was there at the finish line with his girlfriend. And we both are glad he ran such a fast race. We're pretty certain we later saw a picture of woman we'd been talking with for a while on a stretcher on the news.
My office is about two blocks away. Traffic is not allowed, so normally congested streets are deserted. A medical tent is down below my window, which they haven't taken down. There is a crowd of runners at the other end of the building, trying to get their bags with their belongings. Police, military everywhere, particularly at my train station. Also LOTS of media cameras everywhere. Lots of people with luggage from the surrounding hotels trying to drag their bags somewhere to find a cab. Many local people have the day off because it is school vacation week. Those that are working are largely hunkered down in their offices. Completely surreal.
They cannot quench our spirit. I don't care who the "they" are in this case. "They" are all the same. Murderous zealots who kill innocents to bring attention to themselves and their point of view. We will not be defeated.
"This is one of those days when you found out how many great friends you have." ~ Dan Shaunessy. Was grateful for all the calls, texts, messages and e-mails from around the country.
Reports that a dark skinned man with a foreign accent tried to get into restricted area minutes before explosion.
Other reports of security cameras showing a man pulling items from a backpack and placing them in garbage cans.
Supposedly Saudi National under guard at hospital "suspicious" in flight from explosion, a civilian tackled and detained him.
Supposedly they're questioning a female doctor, also a Saudi National, who denies any involvement.
Reports that they are pulling nails and ball bearings out of victims. Likely packed in the IED's.