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I don't think they changed Les at all actually
national champs baby
Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.
first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"
stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly
rundown of Michigan's riser
needs moar usage
so much for that
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
will be michigan's highest pick in a while
money has to go somewhere
I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.
the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?
For what it's worth, (Admittedly not much on a chat board), I know someone very in the know at Auburn.
He told me that the Cam Newton investigation uncovered a broad based pay for play network that was impossible to address and punish. Not only was/is it a "too big to fail" situation that would have brought down the SEC, but most of the cash payments were so indirect, that they were next to impossible to track down.
An entire layer of free agency exists, with representatives arranging cash payments to players relatives and friends, and keeping a percentage for themselves. It's basically a semipro league.
At the end of the investigation, they decided to inform the offenders behind closed doors that they were putting the entire SEC and their Universities at risk, and that they better be more careful.
Everyone so informed laughed in their faces.
Like you, I've heard the rumormongering for years. But the things my friend told me went beyond even what I suspected. A systemic conspiracy exists to do nothing, and keep the money flowing.
These rumors and accusations have been flying around for a long time. I have no idea if they're true or not.
I hope Michigan is doing things the right way. In my gut, I believe it is.
But the SEC doesn't live in a vacuum. Coaches with experience at big-time SEC programs move to other programs.
Our DC, Mattison, was the DC at Florida. Our OC Borges was OC at Auburn. They are setting the recruiting world on fire. They're amazing recruiters. They're getting top players. Are they paying them, or are they just very, very good at what they do?
People say the SEC's recruiting tactics are dirty, but these are the same guys.
Believing that Michigan recruits the right way, I have to believe that some accusations against the SEC - not all - stem from a certain amount of frustration over the SEC's strengths in the past decade or so.
As I said, I have no idea if the claims made in the link about Saban are true or not.
I'm pretty sure he's the only coach on the staff that doesn't recruit off campus. I like him as a coach, but highly doubt he is an amazing recruiter.
Eating is murder.
I have to ask: did your "in the know" friend know if any of this ties to Colonial Bank or Bobby Lowder?
For professional reasons I won't bore anyone with I followed that whole Colonial/Taylor Bean saga pretty closely. Finding out that two important but, I thought, completely disconnected pieces of my life might not be disconnected at all was...disconcerting? And fascinating.
BlueMarrow, you know someone who is in the know at Auburn? Hmmmm.....Auburn is in Alabama.....RollDamnTiger, is that you again?
Campaign manager--Hoke 2012.
prevatt33, I wouldn't worry about what Saban is or isn't alledgedly doing. He has a smoke screen roughly 800 miles, by 500 miles, and consists of 13 other teams to blend in with. When in the south, do as the southerners do!!
...every school in the SEC cheats more than others.
We all know Vanderbilt's reasonably clean.
prevatt, reasons 1-2, and 5 are invalid because they're probably too close to call. I agree with 3-4 and 8, but I'd move the huge from 3 to 4. As for 6, cheating breeds success pretty damn good.
So oversigning doesn't make your top 8 reasons list and is below all those things?
So ..where was everything on this list before 2005? I guess everything on this list wasn't there a decade ago when the SEC wasn't winning squat. The rise of the SEC almost directly coencides with the rise of Alabama and Auburn. Auburn has already been proven to be paying..many people think bama is also, myself included. Save that list for a board with people dumb enough to believe anything on it.
How can you kill that which has no life
SEC will never get seriously punished unless they went PSU, NCAA is a joke and always will be.
Itslike in Three and Out when Denard or Devin is talking about the SEC offering money, why not call them out in public? You'd think there'd bea Shane Morris type who'd secretly record.offers he gets.
I don't think Shane is that type. He loves everybody. Nobody sees anything or says anything until they're caught red-handed.
Methinks you could have thought that through a little better.
Nobody likes a snitch and where I'm from they end up in a vacant.
/ Chris and Snooped
Bears Beets Battlestar Galactica
Do you happen to be from Juarez, Mr. Bandito?
This is common sense, but would hurt the NCAA too much if the SEC conference was shut down. Too much money and way more power than the big ten has. The SEC controls everything in the NCAA and it looks like they always will.
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Accusations have been made many times. Accusations are only backed by a claim that "get 'em on the stand, they'll talk." Methinks this is NOTHING.
Do some schools pay recruits/players? Sure. Yes, I guarentee it. The imporant thing to do is to hammer the blatant ones (SMU or M under Ellerbee, for instance), which will ensure that other schools don't get too brazen about it. After that... There's not a ton you can do but hope that proper culture wins out.
I really don't think Michigan pays players unless Hoke knows nothing about it. I just cannot see him approving of that. But again, no point in worrying. I do think that saban and some of the others probably pay something, but I think they'd be successful even if they didn't, so unless they're forking over 50K at a time for recruits, I'm not going to lose any sleep.
I rarely defend Brian Ellerbe, but he wasn't guilty of paying players, SMU-style. He just couldn't keep them away from Ed Martin (who, by this time, had been banned from association with the school).
I lived in South Quad two years, I am sure other people on this board lived on campus and we all have different stories of interactions with athletes (or watched them pull up in new cars dressed in expensive clothes). Any one who knows anyone knows that players get paid everywhere.
The hard part comes in the fact that most of the time they are getting paid, or benefits of some sort, not from the school and not from boosters/whatnot. I large percentage of the time it is just random people or fans, so what can you do?
We are the dead.
If it's really not anyone associated with the school, not an employee, a booster or anyone with even a semi-formal relationship, then that's really not against any rules. You can't stop someone from just randomly giving someone else money because they like them.
Barry Henthorn had no connection to the University of Michigan as far as I know; certainly none was suggested when the NCAA leveled its punishment.
If you could establish that someone had truly just randomly given money to the kid without even knowing he was a player, maybe. But receiving any benefit that you would not have received if you weren't an athlete is a violation, no matter who provides it.
You are making some huge assumptions here.
Ever think that all players did not come from nothing? I know one football player who drove around in a porsche... his parents were loaded. Not to mention some player's parents saved for college, and when that account was no longer needed due to scholarship, that money was spent on a nice car and clothes.
This doesn't just apply to football or basketball either. It is even more prevelant in lesser sports as well.
PS players are paid... the university gives them money every month for living expenses, rent, food, etc. if you are on full scholarship. This check is around 1200$. Live off campus for around 500$ a month, you can pocket the rest.
That's what I figure for most of the players. I mean, people seem to expect them to be dirt poor. For every kid that was raised destitute and only learned to play thanks to a local donor that paid for equipment, there are probably three that come from a middle class family that put money away for college.
it is what it is. You can put your head in the sand or you can admit that players recieve improper benefits all of the time. Do they all? No way. But players do. I did note that when i lived at South Quad we all saw the cars that football players drove and assumed that there had to be something behind all of the nice rides.
I didn't even say anything about the socioeconmicstatus of the players; I just said that players recieving cash and benefits is the rule and not the exception throughout the NCAA.
I think this is common knowledge. You can neg my post or whatever makes you feel better, but that is just another example of the fascist minority on this page... which is another arguement for another day anyway...
I just gave you the reasons why most of the guys drove "nice" cars. Not to mention if you are pocketing $700+ a month in unused living expense money and want a car, why not go get a lease for $300 a month?
You don't seem to know what "making assumptions" means. In this case, it's the rickety bridge between you seeing players' cars and telling us how they paid for them.
It's very easy to neg your post without being part of a fascist minority, btw.
1.) I hate how when people get negged you have to click on it to read. that is a formatting issue and I guess I should just be glad to have somewhere free to post and recieve information.
2.) This is my fault because I know players who were paid but I didn't want to get into it: the next question is who, the answer is 'I am not telling you', and the information becomes irellevant.
3.) I should just stick to this simple assertion: it is my assumption that players are given cash or other benefits at most NCAA schools. I don't think all players accept the money or benefits, especially the players who will make it to the show (why risk it?). If you don't believe in my assumption, so be it.
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My impression is that Saban isn't the type of coach to initiate or perpetuate anything that is blatantly against NCAA rules. In fact, I'd guess he actively tries to stop that sort of thing. He is a famously focused person who is intent on "The Process," which is necessarily a long-term method of achieving his goals. Paying players, to me, takes the exact opposite approach by potentially compromising the future for immediate success.
Instead, he's the type of coach who exploits every loophole available to him, but does it within the rules. He oversigns, engages in seriously creative "roster management" techniques, and there are some awful stories about him being callous towards players as human beings (stepping over a convulsing Dolphins player). He seems more like the type the NCAA is always trying to reign in when he finds something new to give him an When he wanted to talk face-to-face with recruits, but rules didn't allow it them to come to him, he started Skyping with them--resulting in an NCAA prohibition.
There's a lot not to like about Saban, but I really think isn't willing to jeopardize his success by paying players. If one kid/booster relationship gets out of hand, things could fall apart quickly and I don't think he's willing to let that happen.
It's all John Navarre's fault.
There is only one thing to do: Find out for ourselves.
Step 1: We need to have the most studly young member of the board breed with the hottest, most athletic woman he can find and have a child. Ok, Step 1 is done.
Step 2: Raise that child from birth to be a future 5* CFB recruit. That's step 2. Easy so far.
Step 3: Have your child be recruited by the SEC and keep track of who offers what $$$. Video, or it does not count.
Step 4: Report back to the blog. We'll be waiting.
OK, who's first?
Who was the kid back in the day who chose San Diego state over us and reported that girls wanted to have sex with him on our campus?
anybody remember him?
He does make the point that the "sex, drinking and drugs" were available to him everywhere he went, including the school his parents eventually chose for him.
If Bama did not generate so much money for the sport, they would have been killed yrs. ago. Hell, they have a 10K deposit on a certain RB in Florida who's pop was just recently released from prison, is the rumor on the streets...The NCAA simply does not care
and remain a fan of college football. Someone tell me all the sports are corrupt, then maybe I can continue to watch. Or maybe after Denard graduates I'll take up carpentry.