OT: Euro Qualifying Story Gets Weird (WARNING: SOCCER)

Submitted by wlubd on

Off-Topic so mods delete if appropriate but figured bye week and crazy story would be worth some discussion.

Euro 2016 qualifying has been happening the past week and the last matches for this session took place yesterday. Serbia-Albania had to be abandoned just before halftime after a drone flew over the pitch in Belgrade carrying an Albanian flag. The players started brawling after one of the Serbian players tried taking down the flag which led to violence all through the stadium.

Here's where the story gets really weird though. CNN just reported that the pilot of the drone was THE BROTHER OF THE ALBANIAN PRIME MINISTER who was in attendance at the game. I just...Soccer provides all sorts of weird stories throughout the world but this has to be up there with the all-time craziest if true.

Eye of the Tiger

October 15th, 2014 at 9:11 AM ^

It is indeed a crazy incident, but from what I read it went down a little differently.

The flag was not "the Albanian flag," but a flag with a map of "greater Albania" on it. "Greater Albania" includes Kosovo, which explains why it was so inflammatory to Serbs.

Also, the players did not brawl. The fans hurled projectiles at the Albanian players and rushed the pitch. The Serbian players apparently shielded the Albanian players as they fled. 

Story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/sport/football/serbia-albania-game-abando…

 

wlubd

October 15th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^

Only saw the highlights and looked as if players had gotten in to it before leaving the field.

As for the part about the PM's brother flying the drone...It's too crazy to believe really considering CNN is citing Serbian sources only. But either way, I read that this morning and was almost on the floor laughing.

SECcashnassadvantage

October 15th, 2014 at 9:24 AM ^

Just to get that out of the way for this thread. lol I really enjoyed the world cup having family in Brasil. I enjoy watching Fortaleza and Ceara in Brasil, but just can't get into European football. I just can't get over all of the diving, but I must say it seems to be getting better as they realize they look like idiots on television. Is it still rampant, or is the diving and fake injuries happening less frequently?

Wolverine In Iowa

October 15th, 2014 at 9:52 AM ^

I recall two hilarious incidents involving lower-level Romanian club matches:

  1. A team was getting just smashed, and so the fans warned their goalkeeper if he gave up another goal, they would bum-rush him.  He promptly gave up a goal, and the fans stripped him naked.
  2. Another time, a fan threw a bag of snakes onto the pitch at the opposing goalkeeper.

*citations needed

Wolverine In Iowa

October 15th, 2014 at 9:42 AM ^

Denmark blew it against Portugal, conceding an at-the-death header to Ronaldo...was harsh....Then, Denmark almost tied it up on the last play of the game when their goalkeeper nearly headed in a corner.

DrewGOBLUE

October 15th, 2014 at 9:47 AM ^

This makes me imagine the possibility of Dave Brandon with his own drone aircraft, using a little remote controller to skywrite something like "True Michigan Fans Eat Chobani" over the stadium whenever his heart desires.

speakeasy

October 15th, 2014 at 10:02 AM ^

This is gonna happen when (I'm pretty sure) both of these countries have or have had people on their respective currencies who were convicted of war crimes against the other side in an international court of law.
 
On the bright side, imagine drone wars over the skys of Anfield or Old Trafford. David Moyes is still looking for a new gig and he's pretty great at crashing and burning.

 

bacon1431

October 15th, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^

Anybody read Simon Kuper's "Soccer Against the Enemy"? Been interested in reading it for a while, but my library system doesn't have it and I'm leery of buying it. Sounds like a potentially good read. 

skurnie

October 15th, 2014 at 3:39 PM ^

I haven't read Soccer Against the Enemy but I did read his book on Ajax, which came out last year and was excellent, I also read his weekly column in the Financial Times, which is not soccer-specific. I also read Soccernomics, which he and Michigan Professor Stefan Syzmanski wrote together, which is incredible. I can't recommend it highly enough.

I like Foer's book a lot the first time I read it. There's been some backlash against it in the past few years but I liked it.

I'd also recommend their shared Soccernomics Blog, which isn't updated very often but always very good. Syzmanski also puts his academic papers online, which are always data-driven but really interesting. Link is here

Brick in The Wave

October 15th, 2014 at 12:33 PM ^

I think it is one of the most endearing things about the beautiful game.  Violence and bigotry aside the fact that you identified with a club based on deep rooted cultural, political and ethnic grouds makes your club choice that much more important.

Ever seen the Seinfeld bit where he talks about cheering for the Giants and question what exactly you are cheering for? A jersey? 

Soccer generally doesn't have this problem, you would never see a club move, a la the Browns, Supersonics, Raiders because it is rooted in the community it was started in.

 

jmblue

October 15th, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^

But that's not what Seinfeld was talking about.  He was talking about how you don't really root for indivdual players but "the team" in the abstract.  When a player leaves your team, he becomes "the enemy" even though you cheered your heart out for him.

I'd say this is even more the case in pro soccer because most clubs go through massive player turnover on an annual basis.  Having a player under contract is no guarantee of anything in soccer, other than that you'll receive some transfer fee.  Year after year the big clubs make offers for stars that the little clubs can't refuse.  

alum96

October 15th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

Poland also beat Germany.  First loss in 19 competitive games all time between the 2 countries.  Poland Germany has a lot more meaning than most matches for obvious reasons.  That was also Germany's first loss in Euro qualifying since 2007 (Czech).

AlbMichFan

October 15th, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^

Albanian, Michigan fan here. The story is a little deeper than what the media portrays. Was the flag a provocation? For sure! But it happened because the Serbian federation didn't let a single Albanian fan in the stadium (The brother of the PM doesn't count he is an American national). Also he is not the one who did it, it's 3 guys from outside the stadium. What's unforgiving is the lack of security 2000 police inside the stadium provided. They LET the fans rush the field (one of them a known criminal put in jail in Italy for vandalism). Or the stewards hitting the Albanian players. The police emptying all the bags of the players "searching for the drone command" This was a soccer match and it shouldn't have been anything other than that. With that being said I think UEFA should have known this and not put them in the same group! Writing this from my phone so sorry for the format/mistakes. GO BLUE

AVPBCI

October 16th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^

First off, both federations agreed not to let opposing fans into the games played at their venue, it was agreed that no Serbians would be allowed to watch the game in Albania, just as it was agreed that no Albanian fans would be allowed to watch the game in Serbia, that was agreed upon long ago by both federations, do not make that one sided. Both federations agreed.

2nd off, flying a drone and being the prime ministers brother of Albania,or even 3 albanians outside the stadium who did,  with tension already over Kosovo, and I did watch the game. Thats squarely on the Albanians for doing something so fucking stupid.

 

Once the flag got brought down that was off the drone. The Serbian player was folding it when the Albanian Players went in to mob him,it was like 6 players on 1 player, until the Serbians evened things up, Had the Albanians let him fold the flag as he was trying to give it to the ref, and they would not have mobbed him,, than things would not got out of hand, but because the Albanian players began to mob the one serbian player,  thats when things got out of hand.

For the prime minister of albania's brother, or 3 albanians outside the stadium to do something that stupid to try to incite something, especially over the tension over Kosovo , was beyond stupid, something luckily that didn't cause something much worse to happen even outside the stadium.

 

Are the Serbian fans the wildest in Europe, yes I will agree on that. But once the Albanians flew that drone into the stadium, and the 6 players went after the one, their lucky somebody wasn't killed or severely hurt.

 

Point is- Albanians do not fly the drone in, none of this shit happens. Trying to incite something over a region ( Kosovo) that both sides are fierce over. Just stupid. Play the game. No drone, no fights, no nothing.

Yes UEFA should not have put them in the same group, Just as They have made exceptions with other countries who are in dispute.

i am not serbian or croation or albanian or any descent of that region.

 

I am italian, and i do remember the incident in Genoa, but that incident is nothing on the political landscape of stupid as flying a Kosovo Albanian flag into a soccer game to incite hatred.

 

 

AlbMichFan

October 18th, 2014 at 8:32 AM ^

Wawww just waw. First of all the Serbian player wasn't folding the flag he was trying to rip it apart. It's not his job to touch the flag only the referee can do that or he can tell a stadium employee, read the rule book if you don't trust me. Second it wasn't 6 Albanian players it was two. Rewatch the video! The players weren't even hitting each other they were just pushing and shoving. The Albanian players were trying to get the flag themselves. Any player from any country would have done the same! Third it wasn't agreed by both federations for no fans. It was forced by the Serbian federation because they wanted every fans name and last name. Tell me if that's even possible? Fourth I didn't compare the incident in Italy with this one. All I said was that the guy who caused the incident in Italy got on the field surrounded by 3 bodyguards. He should not be allowed anywhere near a stadium let alone on the field. I have a lot more to say but I will close my argument with this. If the game in Albania happens watch how we will treat them and you will understand which side is the hatred coming from! GO BLUE

formerlyanonymous

October 16th, 2014 at 1:22 PM ^

Ames: Why Albania?

Conrad: Why not?

Ames: What have they done to us?

Conrad: What have they done FOR us? What do you know about them?

Ames: Nothing.

Conrad: See? They keep to themselves. Shifty. Untrustable.