It's looking like he is headed to the Mets.
OT - Edwin Jackson
That's all there is. It's from the radio. The Tigs have been talking to teams all day for him. It looks like they have settled on the Mets and are finalizing things. They are the kind of team that would allow us to unload a couple of bad contracts.
Yankees are going after Granderson.
If the Tigers trade Grandy, I will cry.
I guess the radio lied. The Mets aren't doing anything yet, but Jackson is on the block.
Um, I haven't seen anything about this on any reputable sites. Sources? And what are the Tigers getting back?
linky linky ???
I've only heard teams are interested. My guess is that if anything happens, it will be at the winter meetings.
was solid last year in a shaky rotation, why trade him?
Are the Tigers planning on using a two man rotation with Verlander and Porcello next season?
I love the idea of trading him. First, his value will never be higher than it is right now. He was the beneficiary of an unrealistically low BABIP (which is why he regressed so badly at the end of the season - it was regression to the mean), and had never, in his entire life, pitched as well for a sustained amount of time as he did in the beginning of last year. He is, at best, a league-average starter masquerading as a border-line all-star.
That said, you can't evaluate any deal, no matter what your opinion of Jackson, without knowing what they're getting and what else they're giving up.
I haven't looked all that carefully, but I think last year was really a statistical outlier for him in his career. Maybe they're thinking that now is the time to sell high and get more for him that he's really worth? (though you could argue that the All Star break last year would have been an even higher time to sell).
So for this year's rotation...
Robertson (looked ok at the end of last season)
I don't know who else... Dontrelle?
I haven't looked all that carefully, but I think last year was really a statistical outlier for him in his career.
You are correct.
Because his first half was a fluke and his value is at its highest right now. If they can get someone to pay for his stats last year, heavily weighted by that fluke first half, instead of his true value, you absolutely do it.
As I've noted previously, his peripheral stats indicate that he actually pitched slightly worse than Gavin Floyd last year -- certainly valuable (a guy who can eat innings at an ERA of about 4 is definitely above average) but absolutely nowhere near what his ERA ended up at and thus nowhere near as valuable as some might believe. Jackson was extremely lucky.
Obviously it depends on what the whole deal is, but the idea of trading Jackson is a smart one.
If sounds like this is a way to save money. Lame. Jackson is good. Not great like he was the first half of last year. But good enough to be #3 started for another 5 years. Lame Lame lame.
sort of link. This is what I've seen today:
USA Today's Bob Nightengale says good morning with a series of tweets; Nightengale says he continues to hear Edwin Jackson's name floated about, and that "most executives" feel he'll be traded soon. He also wouldn't be surprised to see Adrian Beltre fall into Boston's lap if he declines arbitration. Not sure where he envisions Mike Lowell in that scenario.
1. Nasty Nate and his 9 million a year contract
2. For Willis 12 million contract
3. Jermey Bondermans 11 million contract
4. Trading Renteria for Jurjins
5. Picking up MAGGLIO'S 18 million WTF? were you thinking contract
6. letting Polanco go for 6 million a year!! (Thats half of what willis makes)
I love Dombrowski for:
1. Making virtually every single personell move that took the Tigers from the 2nd worst team in the history of MLB to the World Series.
Yeah, I hate it when a GM takes over one of my teams and takes them from being perennially one of the worst teams in baseball to competing for division titles and winning an AL Pennant. Let's beat the crap out of that guy.
I am "All In for Dombrowski" for the specific reasons listed above among others.
1. Nate, can't argue that. I think with his bone chip / elbow thing being resolved, there's a chance he can be a 5th starter.
2. Willis. Yeah, that didn't work at all.
3. Based on nothing but faith, I still think Bonderman will turn out to be a top half of the rotation guy for another 8-10 years here.
4. That trade was a complete fail.
5. I was fine with picking up Magglio. He has done great things for the franchise, obviously had a personal issue at the beginning of last year, and was one of the majors' best hitters in the last two months of the year. I think that will turn out to be a reasonable deal because Maggs will be solid and it would have sent a bad message about the franchise's good faith to other free agents if they hadn't done it.
6. Polanco was my favorite player, but I guess you have to have faith that Sizemore is really what he's billed to be.
7. You left out my least favorite one though, the 6 mil a year to Inge. I am firmly not in his camp.
Remember, it wasn't Dave's money. I'm sure he let Ilitch know that there would be no way Mags would be worth $18M next year but their best shot at a pennant this year was for Mags to be an everyday player.
My bet is that it was Ilitch's call and I know I messed up the spelling.
Polanco was a good Tiger, but if he was paying $6 million a year for a 36 year old middle infield reserve (what Polanco will be in 3 years) people would be listing him here as a failure on Dombrowski's part. Polanco is on the downside of his career.
Wasn't Ordonez's option a vesting option, as in once he got to a certain number of plate appearances the option was automatic, as in the Tigers had no choice?
You are correct, sir
"Ordoñez’s contract, signed before the 2005 season, contains a guaranteed option of $18 million in 2010 if he makes 135 starts or 540 plate appearances in 2009. So far in 2009 he has made 50 starts and 219 plate appearances through the team’s first 55 games, meaning he is well on his way to triggering the 2010 guaranteed option. Additionally he puts himself in a position to trigger his contract’s 2011 $12 million guaranteed option if he makes 270 starts or 1,080 plate appearances in 2009-2010."
But does ANYONE remember never playing meaningful baseball after May under Randy Smith? Jurjenns for Renteria hurts, but the rest of these moves are defensible. Polanco wanted a long term contract and we weren't going to give him one. Bonderman may still have some good seasons left in him. You can say WTF on Magglio's contract, but he and Cabrera were the only guys producing offense last September when we were letting Minnesota catch us.
Dombrowski delivered us the 2006 AL Pennant, we've been playing competitive baseball for the past 4 seasons, and we're bitching why? When did Tiger fans get so jaded?
How can you people say this is a bad move if you have no idea what they're getting in return?
With all the extensions Dave been handing out for one good year, I'm glad he took an opposite approach on this one and sold when Edwin's value will never be higher.
I really liked what Jackson did last year, but he has definitely shown a penchant for being a first-half pitcher who loses steam down the stretch. He did it in Tampa Bay in 2008, and again with the Tigers in 2009. He will probably be better in the NL because of the weaker lineups, but if Detroit can get some nice player(s) back from Jackson, I'm fine with it. I still think that Bonderman has a chance to be a serviceable pitcher in this league for years to come. Throw him with Verlander and Procello, and that is not a bad team.
That sucks. He is a solid pitcher and the Tigers could definitely use him. It looks like his progression East is complete (from Seattle, to Detroit, to NY).
The Tigers acquired him from Tampa Bay, he never played in Seattle.
Same for Grandy, for he cannot hit left handed pitching.