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just what the Pistons need: a third string center. Joe Dumars was replaced by a mean ol' alien a few years back you guys.
this would be a close approximation of hypothetical graduation speech
no you guys they're just super pumped about COLLLLLLLLLLLLEGE
not a surprise
premature congrats. One thing we can be sure of: he'll take fewer asinine penalties than Abdelkader
Thanks to ugly transitions between Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley/Davis, Tennessee is on the edge of APR penalties for football.
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strong indictment of AAU right heah
Glockner sides with justice
a good cause, and a good time
good job gents
"Jeff Withey shouldn't have called him Peter Dinklage, is all I'm saying."
this would be bad if it wasn't LIES
Drew Henson's career, or not quite career, or whatever.
“I’m more of a back-to-the-basket type of big man that rebounds a lot,” Swanigan said on Wednesday, describing his game. “I have a Zach Randolph type of game — that’s who I base my game off of. Being physical and playing with both hands on the rim.”
Yikes! Poor choice by you on the Vick pick :) I had McCoy too even though I knew Andy Reid's irrational tendency to not run even though he has one of the best RBs in the NFL. I agree with you about Vick being gone and wasn't really commenting on that. The Oline was down one starter (Peters) when the season opened, had a tire fire of a replacement "strategy", lost the starting center in week 2 and it just went down from there. BTW, I was wrong, we had 1 OL starter finish the year but still, you get my point. Hoepfully they will be much better by next year simply by getting back injured starters. Either way, still don't want Kelly!
That's right. Kelly's system at Oregon is known for its dominant O lines. Plus, nobody in their right mind would take Michael Vick at 33 over the sprightly 29 year old Weeden. Honestly, who looks at Vick and thinks "spread QB" ?
Do suck and have for a number of years, I think that is pretty easy to figure out, I'm not a lions fan but the browns aren't a whole lot better than Detroit.
Denard Robinson......They're not going to catch him!
Lions are actually in a much better situation. They have a very good young QB in Stafford and an absolute superstar WR in Calvin Johnson. The problem has been the secondary (in todays NFL its hard to win if you can't stop the pass) and team discipline.
I think the read option works everywhere. Bob Griffin is killing fools with it. His reads may need to be modified a bit (which it will be), but I don't see much of a problem.
Also, as I saw Smart Football tweet yesterday, Kelly's run game is based off the inside zone, outside zone and power--the same concepts Saban and Trent Richardson ran at Alabama. Kelly's offense is really just old school football in a modern look that takes advantage of numbers.
Im not a Browns hater.What personnel do The Browns have that fit the offense Chip Kelly ran in college?
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You're talking about the NFL with free agents and trades. This is not college football where you have to hope a recruit signs with your team. The Browns or any team could pick up a spread QB like Tebow, Alex smith, Pat white or any other QB who ran the spread in college easily.
I thought the same thing. If he built a pro offense like the one he runs at Oregon he'd build an exact replica of the Philadelphia Eagles. They were tired of Andy Reid, wanted some exciting fresh blood at the helm, and Chip Kelly is interviewing in Cleveland instead.
"that's why you don't go to Ohio State, Lawrence"
Something I found interesting in the article was the fact that Kelly has succeeded at Oregon without "his own" staff- most of the staff is made up of Belotti's guys. Now it helps that Chip was a coordinator and knew them already, but still- usually these super successful coaches bring in all their own people.
It just makes me think that Kelly is good at adapting to the situation, which I hope is the case. I don't think anyone expects the Browns to run the exact same scheme as Oregon, but if he adapts his offense to the pro game and his personnel, there could be good things in store for Cleveland.
But probably not.
1. Regarding the QB issue, I wonder if McCoy would be given another shot at the starting job. I've been hearing internet chatter (prepare you large grain of salt) that the Browns wanted McCoy out of the organization to take pressure off of Weeden (i.e., McCoy was well liked by fans who might start calling his name if Weeden struggled). I wonder if Kelly would prefer a QB like McCoy over Weeden. Personally, I thought McCoy never got much of a fair shake, with no receiver help and no OLine protection.
2. Let the thread synergy begin! What about Denard under Kelly? Not as QB, obviously, but he's a versatile, super-fast, somewhat undersized player. I wonder if a Kelly-led Browns would look toward Denard in the draft. Now that Al Davis is gone, someone has to step up to draft via 40 times.
One would think McCoy might get a shot but it doesnt look like it as of now. According to the Plain Dealer article I linked in the edit one of the things both Kelly and the Browns organziation agree upon is that "the QB of the future is not on the roster today."
I don't know if the future means 2013 or long term but doesnt look like either McCoy or Weedon will be running the show.
I can't wait to see Cleveland's jersey's this year.
You all are aware the NFL has rules that give the league final say on jerseys right?
Not only that, but they have rules on how often you can wear your "alternates", and how often you can redesign them too
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
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Oh the endless possiblities tinkering with different shades of brown.
If anything Phil Knight would be all butt hurt Kelly left Oregon and change the Browns helmet design to a huge turd or skid marked underwear
Regardless of what offense he brings it will be interesting to see. I'm also interested to see how oregon's team is affected after he is gone
"What" ain't no country I ever heard of. They speak English in What?
O-coordinator is scheduled to take over.
One of the toughest things about Cleveland is the division. Pittsburgh and Baltimore's defenses are older now, but still pretty good. Cincinnati had a top 10 defense as well this year. Running the Kelly spread against those teams will not be easy.
For Kelly, I think there are better jobs available--Philly, if they want him, maybe Arizona (two other Pac-12 coaches are doing pretty well in the NFC West), and if he waits a year, maybe Carolina (Cam Newton!) or Dallas (Jones will give him all the players he wants to run the spread).
Finally, and this isn't really a reason to turn down the job, but the Cleveland weather and stadium is not suited to the spread. It has natural grass, its cold and wet for half the year, and it will be that much harder for the speed guys to make their cuts when they need to,
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Not to be snarky but it's not exactly warm and dry in Oregon...
Hopefully this will be the spark that the Browns need, but I don't know if I see the spread lasting long-term in the NFL. But its never been tried before, so who knows?
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I know this is just completely a random thought, but with Kelly going to the NFL and the way the qb situations have unfolded in many places, what if he was able to snag Vick? I know he has done a lot of passing lately, but I just think that combo would be exciting. Not sure how much it would work, but I would certainly watch
Several times above, Vick is 33, not 23, the guy can't stay healthy now much less when asked to run more.
And his injuries are usually concussions which just become more and more likely as you get more. He is pretty much one hard hit away from retirement and running him deliberately is just asking for it since he still thinks he has the acceleration and speed of 6 years ago which....he doesn't.
Or a poster debunk the running QBs get injured more theory?
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
will not end well for kelly or the Browns
Is Chip Kelly livin' the life or what? Never married, perpetual bachelor, now being asked to name his price to coach NFL football. What a guy.
If they draft Denard I'm gonna be pissed..
no team from that cesspool of a state!
1. any chance he is pulling a Carroll -- he knows of impending doom from ncaa?
2. for those kids among us who dont think anyone has tried to run the full spread in the nfl, you are wrong. couple if decades ago, the oilers tried the run n shoot with warren moon.
One of the more interesting aspects of hiring Kelly and his offense will be the relatively small (cap wise) dollars it will take to assemble the roster he wants. People in this thread calling for Philly over Cleveland cause of the roster make up forget that in the NFL you can revamp almost everything overnight. Here today gone tomorrow is the NFL roster tagline I think.
What Cleveland is willing to give to Kelly (besides gobbs and gobbs of money) is roster control. They are virtually letting him (if reports are true) choose the GM and Banner has gone on record as saying the coach will have the final say on the roster make-up. From what I hear the Eagles organization is nothing like that so while the players (today) might fit Kelly's system better the player tomorrow might not.
He's coming here. Ready or not NFL....Kelly's on his way.
Roster control must be key because right now the Browns would have to be changed big time compared to what he has to work with in Philly.
Vick, McCoy, Maclin, Jackson, Avant, Celek at TE.
Weeden or McCoy, Richardson, Cribbs (UFA), Little, Gordon? Cameron at TE.
Why is Carolina not going after Kelly? I would think Cam Newton and Chip Kelly would be a perfect match.
Don't go to Cleveland. Nothing ever good happens there. Cleveland teams always suck and that's not gonna change anytime soon. Ask Lebron.
Hail to the Victors! Go Blue!
You're asking if it will work. I suppose if you're the Cleveland Browns it is worth a shot because nothing else they do works.
Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.
Sadly that's kinda how I'm looking at it. But at least for the first time in like forever there is some actual excitement around here regarding the team. FWIW I wore my Browns t-shirt to the gym this morning and got lots of fist bumps, smiles, thumbs up and whatnot from others wearing Browns gear. That NEVER, EVER happens after the first game of the season.
"But at least for the first time in like forever there is some actual excitement around here regarding the team"
Exactly, that is why the Browns will get him. Cleveland needs the buzz and will overpay for it by all accounts.
Would it be with it for the Browns to try and get Alex Smith?
I don't think so. His throwing ability probably suits the schemes limited demands, but his running ability, or rather his lack of top flight speed, would not fit. IMO, you can find cheaper and faster mobile QBs on the market or probably even late in the draft.
"Oh no, no, I'm not in the group yet. No, I'm afraid I just blue myself."
Jay-Z says screw Chip Kelly for not coming to Michigan.
Out of curiosity, I looked at the records of the Browns and the Lions starting with 1964, the first year that Ford had full control of the franchise, through the 2012 season.
Browns overall record: 317-369-5
Playoff appearances in 16 seasons; 7-15 in playoff games; 1-1 in NFL championship games, made it to conference championship game 6 other seasons*
*Virtually of the Browns success was prior to 1996, when Modell moved the franchise to Baltimore.
Lions overall record: 294-417-13
Playoff appearances in 10 seasons; 1-10 in playoff games; one appearance in conference championship game
Since 1999, when the new Browns franchise was created, both the Browns and the Lions have been horrible, with 11 and 10 seasons of double-digit losses, respectively.
I grew up in Pontiac and my parents were Lion's season ticket holders. I remember going to games from 1967 through 1981 when I graduated from Michigan and moved out of the state. In 1987 I moved here to Cleveland so when it comes to watching shitty pro football up close and personal Don I have no equal.
That's eating a Detroit shit sandwich and following up with Cleveland turd pie.
It's ironic since the Lions and the Browns were two of the dominant NFL teams in the '50s, with eleven appearances in the NFL championship game between them. They faced each other 4 times, the Lions going 3-1.
Back in the 2003 Wild Card game, the Browns had the Steelers beat but blew a 24-7 third quarter lead. I can't remember the last time the Lions had a shot at winning a playoff game. Perhaps the 97 WC game against the Bucs...
Ah, such a glorious game. Tommy Guns Maddox murdered the hope in Cleveland.
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My concern with Kelly in the pros is that his system relies on everyone being largely interchangeable; he's lost so many QBs and RBs and just replaced them with someone of similar abilities that it is hard not to see them as by-products of a system. But in the NFL, the talent is more dispersed, so you can't horde players who are competent replacements. And while most college kids will run through walls for their coaches, a $6MM RB or OL isn't necessarily going to subsume his ego for the better of the team. And when those guys go down, they hamstring the team's ability to replace them because of the contract's terms as well as team culture. And that doesn't even address the fact that competent defenses have found ways to stymie him. So while I think he'll have some success just playing with tempo, I'm not sure he'll be better than an average coach in the pros.
I read somewhere yesterday that Chip Kelly isn't planning to bring a spread offense to the NFL like what he had at Oregon. Instead, he'll run an offense like what New England runs, only more up-tempo and less huddling. I believe Kelly consulted with the Pats last year on that offense, so that might make some sense.
That's what I assumed he would do, and I'm interested to see how it pans out. It seems like when teams go no-huddle that they have a lot of success. Even guys like Brady & Rodgers look better than usual when they increase tempo. I'm not sure the Browns have the QB or skill players to do it though. I think Kelly would have fared better in KC or Philly, where there is much more speed & talent on offense.
Love the uneducated comments about Browns talent. They are talented just young
Well that didn't happen.