It helps that we have almost 20 times the population of the Netherlands.
fair point that
It helps that we have almost 20 times the population of the Netherlands.
Then you would think a sport that we love would carry more weight than the one they love.
Beauty is in the eye, etc. etc.
But there are people outside the Netherlands who speed skate, whereas very few people outside the U.S. or Canada play football.
So what? There are very few people outside Japan that watch Sumo Wrestling or outside Austrailia that watch Oz rules football or outside Ireland that watch Hurling. Who cares?
Why does everyone think that their favorite sport is the only one the whole fucking world must watch? Let countries like the sports they like without trying to shove something else down their throats.
Hey, I'm not a speed-skating zealot. I couldn't name any of the Dutch medalists.
I'm just saying that it is more of an international sport than football, which is why it's in the Olympics and football isn't. I'm sure the USOC wants football in the Games, but there isn't enough support elsewhere.
Yes that's true. Not every sport belongs in the Olympics. American football does not. It needs to be a sport that a good portion of the world's countries participate in.
Another poster had an insightful comment about why the Dutch coach was so anxious to wake up the sleeping giant that is the USA in long distance speedskating, which the Dutch dominate. There is a danger in being too dominant in an olympic sport that is not participated in by a large number of countries (like softball or long distance speed skating). It may get dropped. He may be thrilled with winning every single medal, but he knows long term it is a recipie for removal in a sport that is still a niche sport.
Personally, I love that there are regional sports that are unique to certain areas of the world. That's a good thing, Olympics be damned. I don't give a rat's ass if the rest of the world cares about college football or not. I don't want it diluted to appeal to other countries' tastes. It's bad enough that it gets diluted by the influence of the NFL.
I don't think the Dutch are usually this dominant. Shani Davis won gold for the U.S. in the two previous Olympics, for instance. They're pretty fanatical about the sport but usually there is stiffer competition than this.
It must be like Mardi Gras in the Netherlands today.
Did you read my comment and immediately think that you just had to point that out? You think you're better than me?
I think he's better than you.
Thanks, I knew that I was better than him.
You think you're better than me?
I don't think it. I know it.
I already said thanks.
I think he forgot that Eric Heiden, American Speedskater, won 5 Gold Medals in the 1980 Winter Olympics. His argument is irrelevant.
Really, where can I watch dwarf tossing? How many teams are there? My god you must tell me where to watch!
The Super Bowl. And it did suck.
Strange comments considering their best athletes play soccer or race bikes.
Yeah, but we have Johnny Weir.
Seriously, the Dutch won all of their medals, so far, in speedskating. Specialization helps, a lot. They don't excel in any other winter sport.
He really means long-track speed-skating, which isn't even the entertaining version of speedskating. I wonder if he thinks watching people run around a track one at a time would be a great sport as well. Makes you wonder why the summer Olympics doesn't have that yet. Oh wait, no it doesn't, because that would be boring as hell to watch.
This is Merica! No one talks about the greatest sport ever invented in the world like that. I'll tell you what country has my vote for being wiped off the map. Sounds like those little sissy's are prancing around on their skates and can't take a hit.
You'd(rightly in my mind) excoriate him for it. I don't understand why you are defending an arrogant prick from a nation that has exhibited that arrogance for far longer then America has?
The Murica meme needs to be complimented by an self-righteous arrogant European meme because the latter is every bit as prevalent as the former.
some of the American residents.
Funny how he complains that American football 'meant to kill' each other. The Dutch have quite the history of kickboxing.
Its kind of like if NASCAR races were actually just qualifying laps, minus the super fast car...
He's from the Netherlands though, he's probably high.
Maybe he's worried about this ... http://ifaf.org/
It may be the small seed from which mighty trees can grow. Rugby is popular world wide and that took about 150 years, so if the NFL keeps in existence and players can still earn millions of dollars each year, if the rumored London team comes into existence, and if the IFAF continues on, then we might see American Football become popular in Holland.
I don't think football is likely to seriously catch on beyond North America. There is a lot of competition around the world from other tackle sports - rugby union, rugby league, Australian football and Gaelic football. Most of the developed world follows one of these sports, and people tend to be very loyal to their particular code - rugby fans generally hate football, and vice-versa.
The NFL might try to put a franchise in London, but I suspect it would not do all that well once the novelty wore off. Brits are used to making short roadtrips to seeing their teams play, and having all games go on in the same time zone. The NFL could not offer this. It also would face a lot of hostility from the established rugby leagues, which aren't as high-paying but have a long tradition and field mostly home-grown players. They'd be sure to play the xenophobia card.
I don't understand why everyone thinks football players would immediately be just as good at any other sport they play.
At every level it is true: Skill beats athleticism. The only exceptions are maybe the NBA and maybe a few positions on the football field.
Whatever sport you excel in, you need to be an athlete. But it takes years of training at the specific skills to be elite.
something something Michael Jordan something.
The sad part is that Europe is still tied with the Lions....
You win the internet today.
He's the kid who brings his own video game over to your house and then talks shit when they ended up winning at it more than you do.
Like seriously man, no one cares that you're the only one still trying to make Sega Genesis happen.
I'm 50% Dutch.
Michael Caine said it best:
"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch."
You figure he'd rail against hockey. At least those sports compete for ice time.
Are people actually riled up about this?
Borges is gone. What the hell else do you expect us to do?
...there is something downright comical about a speed skating coach talking trash.
But beyond that, he does make a good point about America's fanatical interest in a sport that maims so many of it's participants (physically & mentally). If American leadership really cared about it's citizenry then it would make more sense for them to steer athletic participation into sports that build a healthier citizenry.
Activites like skating, biking, running, skiing, etc. are sports that can be undertaken throughout ones lifetime in order to remain active and fit. But even at the high school level a disproportionate amounts of resources are directed into football (a short term sport with a high burnout rate) and often at the expense of other healthier pursuits.
I like football. It is fun to watch. But the Dutch coach is correct in asserting that it is not a very wise use of resources.
If America was about central planning from on high, that's what would happen. But it's not.
People like Football and Twitter and Kate Upton, wise use of resources be damned.
People have died in skating, biking, skiing, etc. All physical activity carrries with it a certain level of risk. Obviously, football carries a much higher risk than most.
I am curious as to why you didn't mention hockey. That sport too maims its participants. How could it not? It involves body slamming yourself against other participants on ice with helmets that offer less protection than a football helmet does. Why do Canadians invest so much in such a health-eroding sport?
To take it beyond sports, people drink beer, smoke cigarettes, take hard drugs, and have unprotected sex with multiple partners. All of these decrease a nation's life expectancy.Far more people die as a result of these activities than from playing football or any sport for that matter. How then can a government permit these to be legal?
The answer is that what is wisiest or logical is often times a odds with the concept known as liberty.A liberal society is one where citizernery can do what it pleases so long as it does not harm others.
Yeah, getting steered by leadership into "approved" sports is an idea that just creeps the hell out of me. Participating in a sport and watching it for pleasure are two very different things. I live riding my bike, but I'm not all that into watching a bike race.
...because that wasn't what the Dutch coach was talking about but it's similar to football in this regard.
And perhaps my use of "leadership" wasn't the best choice of words. Government and leadership is largely a reflection of the will of the people. But it's hardly any better to think that American people collectively choose to celebrate running their young men into each other until their knees blow out. Not very wise. But if America chooses to bludgeon itself into oblivion then so be it.
He actually makes a really good point (whether or not he's trying to)
News flash: not every person is made for football/basketball/baseball, but that's what we push our kids toward. I don't have a fast twitch fiber in my body and sucked at football. I am, however, above average with endurance sports (particularly cycling). I often wonder how many tremendous endurance athletes we never discover because they flame out of pee-wee football and don't pursue other sports.
TL;DR- we probably miss out on a lot of endurance talent because we're too focused on big money sports.
I was thinking the same thing, but in reverse. I was full of fast twitch fibers, really quick reflexes, fast hands and feet. But I didn't have the body mass necessary for any popular American sport. I didn't even make it to 100 pounds until my senior year of high school. I spent my childhood getting shoved around on basketball courts and trying to slap baseballs through the infield. I wonder what would have happened if I'd lived somewhere where badminton or table tennis was a serious sport?
TL;DR- It probably isn't just endurance talent we're missing out on.
People intolerant of other people's culture and the Dutch.