Thanks for the heads up...
OT: Don't EVER run on the field
Fine plus cleaning the bathrooms at the stadium for a month.
When keeping it real goes wrong.
Since when was doing a dare for Twitter points "keeping it real?" That's the most white bread real keeping I've ever heard.
Of course I caught the reference. Just that doing a twitter dare isn't "keeping it real," according to Dave Chapelle or anyone else. It's a basic misapplication of the phrase. "When keeping it real goes wrong" referred to an outsized and inappropriate reaction to some (often mis-)perceived slight. For instance, a woman tracking down and attacking another woman who dialed a wrong number and therefore was "playin' on my phone."
What was the slight the kid was reacting to? And how was running onto the field a reaction to said slight?
Yeah seriously. Have you not watched Chappelle's show? If not, do yourself a favor.
I hope this guy visits a lawyer about the the meathead douche "security" guy. He could at least break even for the fines or even have the stadium/Mets pay him a nice little settlement. (I'd imagine he probably would be banned from the stadium for life) He clearly came to a stop and surrendered and the slam was completely unnecesscary. Might be a tough case to make, but these injury lawyers are sneaky little bastards so I'm sure they'd figure it out.
Why not? There's such a thing as an excessive use of force, even if the person is committing an illegal act. If a guy is jaywalking in a mall parking lot, a mall cop can't just taze him.
That might win in court, but gimme a break. The best way to avoid excessive use of force by security personnel is to not go on the field
Also @Indy Wolverine: I'm Ron Burgundy?
Can't destroy a kid committing a harmless and minor crime. That's like a store clerk beating you with a bat for shoplifting a candy bar and saying it's justified. The punishment needs to fit the crime. All that being said this is funny as shit.
did the kid look like a terrorist? i hope thats not a racist thing to say, i didnt watch the video.
I would say that is moderately-to-kind of racist
You just want to take all the fun of being a mall cop away.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure he could get a lot more than 6k for the way that the security gaurd handled it.
he clearly had his hands up, stopped running and then was body slammed. That's assult and the guard was not in eminent danger. He could sue the security guard company.
The body slam was completely unnecessary. That guard should definitely be sued.
this is what is wrong with this country today. No one takes responsibilty for their actions anymore. Someone does something stupid and they can't wait to find someone to sue for something their own stupidity set in motion. Seriously, this is just absurd. The security guy has no idea if the kid is armed, intends to hurt someone, etc. The gaurd's job is to secure the kid and get him off the field. Mission accomplished.
Now, get off my lawn!
But knowing how much force to use and when is a pretty central component of a security guard's job, and not being a douche meathead isn't that hard, unless you're a douche meathead. Old people need to quit defending people on the basis of some arbitrary, antiquated masculine principle. Dude did a shitty thing, guard did a shitty thing, everyone loses.
The kid broke a law. Society has set forth a set of punishments for those violations, and the kid will suffer those punishments. And a security guard doesn't get to add to those punishments, or to violate other laws/standards/rules/whatever.
It's the same reason the police can't beat the shit out of a suspect following a chase; Rodney King broke laws, but it doesn't mean the subsequent LAPD actions didn't ALSO break the law.
Considering how that court case turned out.
This has nothing at all to do with some arbitrary, antiquated masuculine principle (not quite sure what got you there) and everything to do with not being stupid. The kid was stupid. So was the guard. Lawyers will profit.
I am tired of people whining about potential dangers and the need for our various and sundry law enforcement departments to assault us in order to protect us.
If the kid sustained serious injury from the body slam, then I would say you have a good point. I'll agree that the use of force was excessive, but should anyone be surprised by it, I don't think so.
If that's your view, why don't you think the security guard should be responsible for his actions (e.g., battery)?
Care to explain how this would be an abuse of the legal system? The guy is a dumbass, but there's such a thing as an excessive use of force. The penalty for running onto the field is a fine and possible jail time, not those plus broken ribs.
And we lawyers are the ones with the terrible reputations...
It is not "squeezing dimes" out of stupid actions to sue someone who committed a battery against you. Believe it or not most laws actually exist for a reason.
Here's a maxim you might understand: Two wrongs don't make a right. By your logic, once one breaks a law, a private security guard has every right to do whatever violence he wants to his person. So... is it only the security guard's right? What if I'm a bigger badass than the security guard? Do I get to run on that field, and kick his ass once he tries to bodyslam me? I wouldn't be punished for "winning" the fight, by your logic, would I? Because, see, HE's the dumbass for pickin' on a guy bigger then him, amirite?
Yeah, the kid did something stupid. In my mind, the security guard did something equally dumb, and on camera. Like someone said above, you don't get to beat someone with a bat for stealing a candy bar, private citizen. Also, keep in mind, we're not even talking about a cop exercising his duties as a police officer. We're talking about a private security guard here.
call down Zimmerman!
1) You are correct he doesn't deserve any money for being a dumbass. He deserves the money because he was the victim of an intentional tort at the hands of the guard. When you turn 21 in two years I imagine you will go to the bar and drink A LOT (like I did), probably to the point where you will be asked to leave by the bouncers (also like I was). Do you think they should be able to physically beat you as you are peacefully agreeing to leave? You were after all acting like a dumbass to get that intoxicated.
2) It's not the like the kid would get some huge, windfall, lottery-style judgement here. The goal of tort damages is to compensate the victim enough to place him in the same position he was before the incident. Assuming the kid is not seriously inujured, he would get his medical expenses reimbursed, maybe a little compensation for pain and suffering, and maybe some punitive damages to punish the guard for intentionally using excessive force. It's not like he gets to quit his day job and sail the world on his luxury yacht for the rest of his life.
I would have already talked to an attorney.
It's unfortunate but true. When the Phillies fan ran on the field a few years ago, he clearly dove to the ground when he saw the taser, but the dude still zapped him as he was laying on the ground there.
Just because he stopped does not mean he couldn't have been a danger to players or security. Maybe he was told to spread eagle on the ground and didn't. Hopefully the tickets have small print that warns of possible injury/death if you go on the field.
What action people think deserve a vigilante death penalty.
You can't contract out of liability for intentional torts like battery. For example, you can't post a sign saying "trespassers will be shot," shoot a trespasser, and say, "well, I warned you."
Some residents of a certain southern state might disagree with you.
"His dad was there and both his parents knew about his idea before he did it. "
He sounds like an only child or baby whose parents just couldn't bring themselves to ever say no.
His mom pleaded with him before he ran on. And he told his father he was going to the bathroom.
Of course he would be named Dylan.
Who are the five best rappers of all time? Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, an Dylan. Because I spit hot fire.
Because it shows how stupid it really was.
Mom: Don't do it!
Dylan: I have to mom, I got 1000 RT's
As though that means anything whatsoever.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it was a bad idea from the get go, but it takes a true imbecile to believe that just because 1000 people RT his tweet that it somehow binds him to a promise like that.
He tweeted screenshots of his mom texting him not to be an idiot and don't do it. My understanding is she was not there with him.
The kid is an idiot (like most kids are to a degree, including me when I was that age), but a year in prison seems totally ridiculous if that's what he gets. I understand wanting to discourage future idiots, but that seems excessive. I hope the judge gives him something more appropriate like a ton of community service hours.
Can the parents be charged with being accessories to stupidity?
If parents could be charged as accessories to stupidity of their children, the backlog of cases in the courts would be measured in centuries.
I remember a few brave souls tried to start a field rush in 2008 at the comeback win over wisconsin and they were tackled to the ground by security.
At least the guards had good form.
I got over the wall and made it to mid-field with the team. I got to sing the victors with the team in the corner and then a security officer let me back in the stands afterwards. Another friend made it all the way into the tunnel with the team. We didn't all get body slammed.
to do it at a regular game, another thing to do it at an All-Star game...kids got balls I will give him that...but ya not smart.
Hey, if he had done that at a soccer match in rural Brazil he may have been decapitated.
Grow beautiful flowers in the Brazilian countryside your whole life, do they call you "Flower Grower Fábio"? No. Grow tons of superior coffee in the Brazilian countryside for years, do they call you "Coffee Grower Fábio"? No. Raise hundreds of heads of superior beef cattle, do they call you "Rancher Fábio"? No.
Decapitate one lousy ref, and you're labeled for life!!
with your post.
the bigger the fine and trouble you will be in. The best clip I've seen is when an inebriate ran on the field at a Baltimore Colts game in the '70's and Colt linebacker Mike Curtis decked him. That was probably the hardest hit of the day. They took the guy to the ER in a wheelbarrow...
Was quite a character.
Sadly, he's dealing with what looks to be dementia and is using long-term care under the NFL 88 plan:
What about the girl who ran onto the field at the college world series?
LB for the real (Baltimore) Colts, he absolutely leveled some jackass who ran onto the field during a game. I guess that is a lesson that needs to be re-learned by each generation.
If his dad watched the rest of the game or did he leave to go get him out of the clinker. Imagine his dad, sitting there with a cold beverage and a dog, hears the crowd starting to stir and looks to see whats the hubbub and....
And? And? What does the dad do. I need to closure!
We all know there's been a lot of cases of gunmen and terrorists trying to do awful things in the country and especially in NYC. What if the guard didn't tackle him and something horrible happens like the guy is able to pull a grenade (for example). The security guard has no idea what to expect, his job is to secure the field.
If that scenario did play out, people would be calling for the heads of everyone in that security company for their total incompetence and how they let this happen.
Rough situation for the guards to be in, but given that they had no idea what the kid was doing, I'm sure they're trained to secure the situation ASAP which is basically what they did. Sorry the kid got bodyslammed but I think the guards did basically the right thing
Kid come to a complete stop, guard runs up to him, wraps him up. If it thats how it end there isn't any problem. However, after wrapping him up, the guard picks him up and slams him to the ground.
He had already been restrained. No need to go all WWE on him.
The whole thing takes less than three seconds. You're saying it was ascertained he wasn't a threat in that little time?
And how many times have you seen the perp stop, only to take off again?
He's right; if they had just tslked to him and he had stabbed someone everyone would want to sue because they didn't do their job. No one shot him for running out on the field. He got tackled. That's hardly excessive; and "my bad" isn't a defense.
He'd have stayed in the stands. Where the people are most tightly packed.
Frankly it sounds more like the work of a nut than a terrorist. Keep in mind, too, that the odds of killing a specific player are lower. You could end up getting a utility infielder with a career average of .215 and a security guard. If you're careless you could be the only fatality.
In the stands you're guaranteed a higher body count and more press.
A lot of cases? Please, get a grip. There were multiple security guards approaching. The kid stopped, you can see his hands, he made no apparent threatening moves.
When did their action become the norm? I know for a fact I have seen people escorted off the field without being assaulted. You are making excuses for criminal or near-criminal behavior. The kid was dumb, but what he did was a harmless prank. The only thing I am sure of is that I am not as sure as you are about their training, especially after witnessing that.
"Yeah but I didn't know whether or not he had a vest on him and a guy with a cell phone ready to detonate something" is not a reasonable defense against a battery charge. You could extend that logic out to shooting someone who raises their voice in a bank or a mall.
Guard probably should have had better judgement, but the parents text messages pretty much sum up what was he should have expected (getting hurt and in trouble). Security almost always throws the people to the ground in these cases where there is a perceived threat. If this was a double AA game or something the kid would have a case, but at the All-Star Game you're going to get body slammed because they aren't going to take the chance that you're just having fun. His parents knew what would happen and he should have known it. Kids, listen to your parents. Don't lawyer up for being a dumbass. (There are many good cases for excessive force. This isn't one of them.)
She would be grandpa. Hooray for hypothetical responses
Running out on the field or court during a game was acceptable?
Ah yes, Morganna the kissing bandit. There did come a point where she was prosecuted though, and her attorney told the judge she ended up on the field by leaning over the rail to get a better look and gravity took over. The judge laughed and dismissed her case.
Is a bad idea unless you're this guy:
About 15 years at an Oakland A's game for 400 bucks and bail money. Jumped the bullpen fence ran and did a head first slide into second base got up dusted myself took a lead and stole third. Could have made it home if I wasn't too tired. Luckily I wasn't prosecuted and was let go after a couple hours in the holding cell at the Stadiumn. Would never do that these days cause the penelties are way to stiff but I got 400 bucks and a great story that I've retold hundreds of times.
I say the security guard and the kid clean the stadium bathrooms together for the next month
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Does anyone know if that dude who was tazed at a Phillies game ever sued anyone?
Does anyone know if this kid suffered any actual injuries? There aren't a whole lot of damages to collect if this kid wasn't even injured. He might get enough cash to pay off the fines, but he's probably not going to get a whole lot without serious injuries.
A few years back when planking was the hot thing to do and some guy at a Tiger game ran to center field and planked right next to Jackson? Best part was when the guards ran over and he didn't move.They picked him off and took him off the field while we stayed in planking position
If they are wearing a hoody.
And we're inching toward the lock
You mean sprinting
Wouldn't excessive force mean the kid broke some bones or had anything worse than a bruise? I'm glad the security guard body slammed him. If this weren't a serious crime, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a $60000 fine and possible jail time