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February 6th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
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I'm more interested in the

I'm more interested in the Giants decision to run the ball. Why didn't they just take 3 knees and then kick? Not sure why the announcers didn't point this out either. 

No doubt in my mind NE should've let them in sooner than they did, but they still made the right call on the play where they did let them in. If they hadn't blown a TO on that challenge, they would've been in much better shape there, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that. Still, I think Coughlin made a bigger mistake in running than Belicheck did in waiting as long as he did to let them in. They definitely should've let them in on that 1st and goal. 

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February 6th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
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Coughlin said last night in

Coughlin said last night in an interview that kicking is not a sure thing and cited what happened to the Ravens in the AFC championship game. 

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
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did anyone notice

that "12 man on the feild" call, yes they got a lil closer to scoring, but they also got a 10 sec run off!  i wish they would of put that time back on the clock, totally changed the game

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
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It's slightly easier to play

It's slightly easier to play defense with 12 men on the field. Maybe NYG tried to do that because it would only cost them 5 yars and they would get more clock ran off. 

/conspiracy

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
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Honestly, given how the rules

Honestly, given how the rules work, with time running off and only a five yard penalty, why not run 15 guys out there for all but the last play on end of game drives? Could the refs call unsportsmanlike conduct if a team were to do that?

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:37 PM
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at least

on huge plays right before a half or end of the game what do you have to lose? 5 yards? and you do drain time off the clock.which is a LOT more important

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
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Was Thinking The Same Thing

When they got called for the 12-men, it made me realize that, save for the final play, it was to the Giants distinct advantage to just throw everybody on the sideline out there and take the penalty. The Pats need a touchdown, and time is more important than the 5 yards, so until the penalty would extend the game (untimed play if there is a penalty on the defense), why not just load the field up?

Of course, going overboard on that would almost certainly result in a major rule change with the ensuiing outcry, but doing it with 12 or 13 and passing it off as a mistake, why not? I do kind of wonder if Coughlin did that on purpose, but I'm sure he'd never admit it if he did.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:48 PM
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We discussed the 12 men penalty last night

Brady could have just clocked the ball knowing that there were 12 men on the field and maybe one second would have elapsed.  It does require that he was able to realize that there were in fact 12 men on the field.  If there are 15 players on the field, then it's very obvious and he could have instantly clocked the ball and gained 5 yards.  With just 12 men, there's a good chance that the QB won't notice.  It was a good scheme by NY (if it was intentional.)  NY could have left 12 men on the field play after play as Brady clocked the ball, but it's really only a good strategy if the QB doesn't notice and throws it deep, wasting clock.

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February 6th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
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Why is that a five-yard

Why is that a five-yard penalty in the NFL?  It's 15 yards in college, which seems to make more sense.  Playing a down with  12 guys is a major advantage and should be harshly discouraged.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:31 PM
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Not entirely true

Brady chose to view it as a free play and throw the ball into the end zone. He also could have checked down underneath, picked up 10-20 yards, saved a few more seconds, and declined the penalty. This was more about a poor decision than the offense getting punished for a defensive penalty.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
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I would imagine with that

I would imagine with that little time left you're not really counting the number of Defenders running around downfield

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
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It was a smart play by the

It was a smart play by the Giants. The time was more important than the yardage at that point.  I'd be surprised if they didn't do it on purpose.

You could even put it on Brady that he should have thrown it away quickly so they didn't lose so much time on the play.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
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12th Man

The Giants executed this perfectly. Throw 3-5 extra defenders out there and you risk the offense taking notice and spiking the ball, chewing little time and giving them 5 free yards and the down back. 

FYI Smart Football did a piece on this last year. For those of you who may question whether this was "intentional" or not, Defenses actually have this in their playbook: http://smartfootball.com/defense/buddy-ryans-polish-goalline-tactic

I hope the NFL takes a look at this in the offseason and gives the offense the time back in scnearios after the 2:00 warning.

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February 6th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
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It's a good scheme

Thes types of schemes make football fun (to me at least.)

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
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Your reasoning is full of

Your reasoning is full of flaws.  If you want to coach like Mark Richt, that's fine, but the Giants made the right call. No way you should settle for a 35 yard field goal.  As the Ravens can attest, you can miss it, plus other things can go wrong like a fumbled snap (see Tony Romo), or it could be blocked.  The Giants played it perfectly and Coughlin made the right calls.

Your second guessing of Coughlin is ludicrous.

And just because Belichek instructs his team to let the Giants score, doesn't mean that NYG takes the touchdown.  People have suggested letting them score from the 18.  If I'm Ahmad Bradshaw, I run down and take a knee at the 1.  In fact, if you have any beef yesterday, it could be that Bradshaw didn't take a knee at the 1.  That would be a stronger argument than anything else.

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February 6th, 2012 at 4:34 PM
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Yeah

But chances are New England could simulate trying a little better from the 18 than they did from close range. 

A RB or receiver who gets up to full speed and is bearing down on the goal line probably isn't thinking about stopping when he can score the game winning touch down. 

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:51 PM
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I figured Belichick

would have let NY run right in with about 2 minutes left.  I'm not sure why he let NY run those extra plays.  Maybe he thought 1 minute and 1 timeout was enough time.  But yes, NY should have just taken a knee.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
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Tom Brady with 2+ minutes and

Tom Brady with 2+ minutes and 2 timeouts vs hoping an NFL kicker misses a 35 yarder. That's a no brainer

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February 6th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
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Double post

Double post

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:31 PM
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So what...

The first post was so good, I'm still going to give you a +1.

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February 6th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
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Did anyone else think it

Did anyone else think it looked like Bradshaw scored on purpose but wanted to make it look like he tried to stop? Got to pad those stats.

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February 6th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
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No I think it was genuine.  I

No I think it was genuine.  I heard him on radio this morning and he said that as Eli was handing him the ball he said "Don't score!".  I guess it occured to Eli as soon as the play started, but they weren't thinking about it before that.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
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It looked to me like Bradshaw realized what was

going on right as he reached the goal line and hesitated for a second.  He saw how easy it was and that NE obviously had backed off and realized "Oh shit, maybe I shouldn't be scoring".  But, he went in anyway.  I can't blame him for that.  At that point, NE is still ahead and the Giants could always miss even a short FG. 

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February 6th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
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In this article, the author

In this article, the author uses Win Probability and finds that the Patriots should've let the Giants score two plays before (at the two minute warning).

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/features/2011/nfl_2011/super_bowl/giants_patriots_super_bowl_the_ballsiest_call_in_super_bowl_history_.html

 

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February 6th, 2012 at 1:55 PM
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Anyone who watches a game

Anyone who watches a game with me or plays NCAA Football with me will tell you I bring this up whenever a situation like this happens. The problem with letting them score earlier, though, is that Bradshaw would have realized it sooner and taken a knee. There's also the possibility of a turnover or really bad penalty, so you don't want to just hand it to them too soon.

I think they did it when they needed to, it was just bad luck that they had to challenge that catch earlier. Had they had 2 timeouts and completed that first pass to Branch, they would have been golden. Branch had plenty of room to run and get out of bounds, leaving them with 30 or fewer yards to go with at least 40 seconds on the clock and 2 timeouts.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
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I am the same way.  I can't

I am the same way.  I can't tell you how many times I've watched a game and said "Let them score!!"  I don't get why more coaches don't do it...

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:34 PM
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Probably cause of backlash.

Probably cause of backlash. The majority of football fans aren't as into the %'s that the majority of mgoblog users are. Take the Falcons going for it on 4th earlier this year, statistically it's the smart thing to do, but if it goes down everyone will on you're case about playing stupid football

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:38 PM
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Especially when

That score is the only chance they have to win, but it helps the team scoring to cover.  ;-)

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February 6th, 2012 at 5:02 PM
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I don't understand why NE

I don't understand why NE didn't let them score one play earlier.  They could have saved a few seconds and (more importantly) a timeout.

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February 7th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
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I think the coaches used the

I think the coaches used the timeout to tell them to let them score. If there was an effective way to get that information to the players without a timeout and without alerting the other team, they probably would have done it.

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February 6th, 2012 at 5:41 PM
(Reply to #8) #332
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I see your point

about the problem with doing it from the 18. But why not one play earlier? Why waste a timeout just to let them score from the six instead of the seven?

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
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the pats blitzed a ton on the

the pats blitzed a ton on the last drive.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
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I agree....what is the worst

I agree....what is the worst thing that will happen, the Giants will complete a long pass play, like to Manningham?  Sacks can be killers.  Worst thing that happens, you have Tom Terrific with time on the clock and timeouts.  

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
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I think out of principle

I think out of principle alone you play to win the game (Right Coach Edwards???)... which means not letting them score more points than you with under 1 minute to go.  Trust your defense and special teams to do their part.  Or at least pray their offense or special teams can't do theirs.  Giving away points is embarrassing.

Seeing the Patriots DT celebrate with a fist-pump after the Giants took the lead with 0:56 left in the Super Bowl?   Seeing Bradshaw "accidently" fall backwards as if he couldn't stop his momentum?   Seeing Mayo (?) running towards Bradshaw in what appeared to be an attempt to hit him into the endzone?    It was like bizzaro-world where the teams switched jerseys.

Obviously Bill chose Brady with the ball over trusting his defense, special teams, or the pressure on a long snapper, holder, and kicker as time exprires on a big staged game

I guess the Pats staff never saw Earnest and the Browns' forced fumble with the game on the line in the AFC champtionship.  Or the Bills/Giants shanked field goal with the super bowl on the line.   Or the Long Snapping chaos of Giants/49ers in the NFC playoffs.   Miami-FSU wide right.    

Offense, Defense, Special Team.   Not just Tom Brady.   No matter how dreamy and great he is.

 

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
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I don't know that there's a right answer, but...

You're always choosing among probabilities.  You could win or lose the game making any of a number of decisions. 

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:26 PM
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game winning FG

there's almost no chance that the Giants FG kicker is going to miss a chip shot to win the game.  How many XP are missed all season?  not many.  it was a good call to let the Giants score.  too bad there wasn't more time on the clock and too bad branch and hernandez forgot how to catch at the end of the game.   would have been an even better finish to  the game.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
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About 99%

So you're giving yourself about a 1% chance that THIS will be the kick that is missed for some weird reason. And that's League wide.  As of midseason, San Francisco hasn't missed since 2003. So there's probably some dude who's missed twice, but another who's never missed.

I'm guessing TD drives with one minute left isn't high, but it's higher than 1%.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/extra-point-is-almost-alwa...

 

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February 6th, 2012 at 10:27 PM
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To your point, Brady did get

To your point, Brady did get the ball in the end zone and it became a free ball after being tipped.  It nearly worked.  Certainly better than 1% chance.  If only there was a little more time.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:32 PM
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I know people love to talk up

I know people love to talk up it being a full team game, but that defense was one of the worst in the league both this year and historically (at least in terms of pass yardage), and Tynes is one of the better kickers in the league.  The defense had its chance to stop the Giants between the 20s and failed; at that point, play the odds that your HOF QB and a deadly 2-minute offense will be able to march down the field against a tired and somewhat-ineffective Giants defense.  

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:35 PM
(Reply to #15) #341
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So

You're going to argue principle when it comes to winning a championship? 

 

Stop it. 

 

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:53 PM
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I didn't answer the OP's

I didn't answer the OP's question to win a popularity contest or prove to anyone I can get in line like a sheep.  

I just answered the question.   I didn't realize it was an MGoTestOfWorthiness.

Neg away for being in the minority

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:29 PM
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February 6th, 2012 at 3:39 PM
(Reply to #37) #344
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I think you got negged not for being a rebel

But for giving such crappy examples, and being snarky about it-

 

I guess the Pats staff never saw Earnest and the Browns' forced fumble with the game on the line in the AFC champtionship. Or the Bills/Giants shanked field goal with the super bowl on the line. Or the Long Snapping chaos of Giants/49ers in the NFC playoffs. Miami-FSU wide right. Offense, Defense, Special Team. Not just Tom Brady. No matter how dreamy and great he is.

The Browns were losing and trying to tie. Of course you try and stop them and make them fumble. The Giants could just take a knee.  The Bills had a 47 yard FG, not a defacto XP. I don't think any of the FSU field goals were automatic either.  It has nothing to do with how dreamy Brady is. It has to do with Brady's small chance of coming back and scoring a TD versus the Giants almost non-existent chance of missing that short of a field goal. 

But if you have some like examples to use to bolster your argument, feel free to drop your wisdom on us, but do better than thinking it's because we like Brady better than you. Because, well, duh.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:59 PM
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The decision is this:

Tynes kicking a chip-shot field goal being down 2 points or Brady with the ball with 1 minute and 1 timeout down 4.  You have chosen to go with the Tynes field goal in this scenario.  Belichick chose to put the ball in the hands of one of the best QBs to ever play the game over hoping for a missed FG.  That was the rationale for the decision.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
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I think it would have been

I think it would have been ideal for Tom Brady to have another 30 seconds (1:30) left on the clock but it would have been much more interesting had Deion Branch and Gonzales not dropped those passes. Those two plays set up the 3rd and long sack, forcing the use of the timeout and also took away any midrange out routes. I think had those plays been complete, the patriots would have been in ryrhm and gone down and scored a td with the best drive in SB history.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:16 PM
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This

There was a sequence for the Patriots offense, starting with the Welker drop, where Brady's receivers dropped 3 of 4 passes that hit them right in the hands. Just unbelievable at that stage of the game they would choke like that. 

I would have let the giants score once they got inside the 20 before they took the second timeout. That gives Brady and co. a legit chance to win. Also, I wouldn't have challenged the Manningham catch. That was a clear catch on the replay and a waste of a timeout. 

Edit: Also, remember earlier in the season Belicheck saw his team lose on a field goal from the 2 when they didn't let Buffalo score. 

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
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agreed

unbelievable poor timing to forget how to catch the football.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:39 PM
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I think something like that

I think something like that happened in the Cardinals-Ravens game too. The Cards stopped a rush on the 5 instead of letting them score and burned their last T/O. The Ravens centered the ball, killed the clock, then kicked a GW from the PAT line

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
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Let them

score, the sooner the better. 

Also, take your timeout to stop the clock prior to Texas attempting their field goal attempt in the 2004-2005 Rose Bowl please.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
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I'd have let NY score with

I'd have let NY score with about 2 minutes - the offense for the Pats had already marched down the field twice on that defense, and Brady and co. are deadly in the 2-minute offense.  Wasting a couple of timeouts and about 1 minute to let the Giants score seemed dumb.

I also think that Bellicheck wasting a timeout on that challenge late was not a good call.  He was right there, and it definitely looked like a catch even in real time.  At that point, I'd rather hang onto that timeout than take a chance on an iffy reversal.  And yes, if it was a closer catch I would have probably challenged, but for whatever reason I would have expected the Giants to score anyway and then save the timeout for my team's last drive.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
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I hated the argument that Bradshaw should have kneeled at the 1

Points are never guaranteed, a snap can be botched, a hold can be botched.

I would always take guaranteed points.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:04 PM
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Perhaps, but..

I think your argument is different if you're talking about the Pats or the Giants.  If I'm Eli, I'm feeling a little more confident than Brady would knowing his defense could hold the other team.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:42 PM
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I would have

I would have done it about thirty seconds earlier.  The problem is, though, that there was still a little bit of hope at holding them to a long field goal attempt.  If Belichick had let them score from about ten yards further out, everyone in the media, especially his "home" media, would be blasting him today.  

Ultimately, he made the right call.  His team just didn't have enough of "it" to get the job done on the last drive.  

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:54 PM
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maybe a better question

I think they should have let them score as soon as they got to the 18 with two minutes left.  A better question however, I think, is whether the Giants should have taken the score or stopped before the end zone.  Bradshaw started to but didn't - guessing instinct took over and he caught himself too late.  I'm a Giant fan and have been torn on this one but I think you do have to take the TD when you can - if you stop intentionally and end up not scoring it would  be worse than having the Patriots come back and win.

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February 6th, 2012 at 2:57 PM
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The problem is that they

The problem is that they waited too long to let them score.  You either do it earlier or don't do it at all.  They wouldn't of even been in that position though if the Pats receivers could catch the ball toward the end of the game.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:02 PM
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The flaw in saying the Pats

The flaw in saying the Pats should have let them score once they got to the 18 is twofold.  1)  A 35 yard field goal is not a gimme (see the Ravens).  There were people at the SB party I was at, that were screaming for the Giants to start taking knees when they hit the 30.  Really?  You want to have Tynes try a 47 yard kick, when you can easily scoop up some more yards, possible get a few first downs to run down the clock as well.  You can't assume they'll make a 35 yard field goal.  If the NYG got within the 13 (and thus it was less than a 30 yard field goal), I think I'd let them score.  2) The biggest flaw in saying, oh the Pats should have let them score is assuming that the Giants try and score.  The Giants could run down to the one and take at the one.  They could then take 3 knees, or a couple knees and then try to score a TD on 3rd down.  Regardless, they'd be little time left on the clock even after they called their TOs.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:13 PM
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For the fun of it

Tynes was 2-2 from 30-39 in the game. For the season, 3-4.   From 20-29, he was 12-12. So certainly by the time they get to the 11 it's time to let them score.  You could say they might not, but, in fact, they did. 

And even letting them get to the one and take a knee takes less time off the clock because they can't get more first downs.  Or they score on an earlier play if they try to score.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:06 PM
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Damn you for making me look it up and relive it.

ttp://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20120205017&page=plays

1st-10, NE34 2:52 E. Manning passed to M. Manningham to the left for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, NE32 2:09 E. Manning passed to H. Nicks to the left for 14 yard gain

1st-10, NE18 2:00 A. Bradshaw rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain

2nd-3, NE11 1:15 E. Manning passed to H. Nicks to the left for 4 yard gain

1st-7, NE7 1:09 A. Bradshaw rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain

2nd-6, NE6 0:57 A. Bradshaw rushed

(Just had this long post not save because "field is required" even though nothing is highlighted, so this is the short version)

 

Probably 1st and 10 from the 18 was the best time.  Goes from a maybe stoppable FG to a pretty sure thing. Certainly by 2nd and 3 from the 11, because that's practically an XP.  Two more plays shouldn't have occurred. Having said that it's hard in real game time to do something so out of the ordinary.  You're still hoping that maybe you cause yet another Giants fumble, and finally they don't recover one of them.  So while I think that might have been the optimal time, I'm not saying he was wrong for when he did it. It's different me thinking on my couch that it's over when they get to the 18, and what a coach has to try and do in the moment.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:09 PM
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Anything can happen. Remember

Anything can happen. Remember Illinois 2009. That was terrible. The above poster is right that if the Giants somehow couldn't punch the ball in from the one years line that would be almost as bad as the play that led to the creation of the Victory Formation.

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February 6th, 2012 at 3:21 PM
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I try not to remember Illinois 2009

But that wouldn't have really worked. Because in that situation we weren't automatically going to try the super easy FG on 4th down. If the Giants had needed a TD to win, they never would have "let" them score. But they didn't.

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February 6th, 2012 at 10:38 PM
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People kept saying that they

People kept saying that they would have let the Gaints score once they got inside the 20.  But I don't think the Giants would have let themselves score from there.  It would have been too obvious what NE was doing.

Bradshaw did not mean to score, but was taken by surprise, and once he got momentum from the six he could not stop.  Had that been from the 15 or 20, he would have caught himself.  That would have been it.  

It probably worked out as well as it could have in terms NE having a chance to win. 

 

 

 

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