Diddy has plenty of charity foundations and you KNOW the UCLA athletic department is going to have a target on him to buy a suite, become a booster, etc
I really don't see why he has to appease anybody.
Diddy has plenty of charity foundations and you KNOW the UCLA athletic department is going to have a target on him to buy a suite, become a booster, etc
I really don't see why he has to appease anybody.
I knew a very very well of girl at Michigan getting a full ride for academics plus some.... and her dad was a rich dude and her mom was Puerto Rican. honestly few cared or questioned. I think the notion of not taking what you earn is a double standard because diddy is a rapper and not a CEO. this stinks of subtle racism.
Diddy with hiphop and things that arent traditionally linked to a CEO. He might be a CEO today and he made lots of money as a producer... but this is racism.
I like where this is going. If the CEO of a major company that is more mainstream, such as financial services, has a son or daughter who earns an academic scholarship to a school, it is seen as a positive, and the CEO is lauded for providing an atmosphere in which his child can grow and achieve.
But when a black rapper/music mogul provides an environment where his son can earn a performance-based scholarship as a football player, the "rules" are suddenly changed. This is about as blatant as racism gets. It's like people are saying, "How dare that black person have money and not give it back."
but Diddy is a CEO. I guarantee you he makes more money from his businesses than he does as a rapper.
I swear, people will always find a way to relate something to racism. As noted by another poster below, numerous wealthy black people have had their kids recruited and given full rides to play football and nobody has said anything. But apparently in this one case it's totally racist. Knock it off.
I don't think Racism is behind some lazy reporter trying to take advantage of the OWS zeitgeist and printing a garbage story that fails to explain how athletic scholarships are financed.
Reading the article it looked like the argument that was being made is that OMG California's broke and tax dollars are being spent to pay for a rich kid's college!!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. The article is lazy and just happened to choose a rich black kid in a sport in which either the majority or a sizable plurality of players are black.
Reading racism into this is ridiculous.
DOWN WITH THE 1%!!!!!
I represent that comment.
... is that everyone is free to complain about whatever the fuck they want, and a lot of people willingly (and sometimes wantonly) exercise that right.
doesnt mean there isnt a lot of annoying shit out there.
Thank you for changing your post. Honestly, you sounded like a bitchy, bitter dad, and no one likes that.
Damn I wish I could have seen what he wrote.
Anyone mad about this just doesn't understand athletic scholarships. There is no more or less justice to them than that they go to people who are really good at a given sport and who meet certain academic and behavioral baselines.
It wasn't an athletic scholarship (at least, not according to the article). It's a "MERIT BASED" scholarship. Vastly different.
What are you talking about? It's an athletic scholarship...reread the quote.
The Yahoo article on the front page YESTERDAY said it was a merit based scholarship. Today's Yahoo article mentions the athletic scholarship. I didn't read the block quote above, I was going off what I read yesterday.
Calm your panooch, Jim Bob.
Athletic scholarships ARE merit based scholarships.
Nevermind. I was under the impression this was an academic scholarship, not athletic. I just looked on Rivals and Combs is listed as a 2012 recruit with a signed LOI. Completely my misunderstanding.
Good luck to your son, too.
[Comment Self-Edited out] Would have been redundant. Neg accordingly, if you must.
The kid is now an adult (18) and his own man. His Dad is under no obligatgion to provide for him. His fathers wealth should have no effect on him earning an athletic scholarship. The argument regarding it being a waste of state funds is moot as well because I am sure Mr. Diddy/Daddy/Combs writes a check to the state of California covering that and then some each year through all his business ventures that are west coast based. Just a hunch.
Coincidentally, I also believe that parental finances shouldn't be a factor in FAFSA. Once you're 18 your parents are under no obligation to provide for you.
Agreed, however that would mean 99% of 18-year-olds are likely eligible for the maximum aid package, which would really defeat any purpose of the FAFSA. (Just trying to bring us back to that 1% discussion)
I agree the kid should get a scholarship and not del bad about it. That said, anyone who's filled out a FAFSA form knows that how much your parents make matters a great deal when determining you cost o attend college.
This kid EARNED his right to a scholarship. He worked hard on the field and in the classroom to get this opportunity. Combs isn't the only scholarship athlete to come from money. I'm sure Tim Hardaway Jr. could afford to pay for college based off of what his dad made in the NBA. No one complains about TH, and rightfully so. Combs is talented enough for the scholarship, and worked hard to earn this scholarship. Just because he has a wealthy father doesn't mean that he should have different treatment.
Earned, I agree. This is nothing more than more of the same left coast liberal bullshit.
Not politics, just reality.
Even if you say it isn't politics doesn't make it so.
1. It's an earned scholarship.
2. You mixed in your political opinion.
This kid EARNED his right to a scholarship. He worked hard on the field and in the classroom to get this opportunity.
Well . . . when you're ranked the 133rd best cornerback recruit in the country and given two stars, are you really UCLA material?
It was UCLA's decision to offer him the scholarship, so he has nothing to apologize for. But make no mistake - they almost certainly wouldn't have offered him if he didn't have a famous father.
High five for rampant speculation! You realize that other schools, major conference school, offered him as well, right? Or did they also only offer him because of his famous father?
You realize he wasn't the only 2-star recruit UCLA took last year, right? Did those other guys have famous relatives that UCLA is reeling in? Has UCLA had so much success lately that they're wasting football scholarships on guys who can't play but have famous names? I highly doubt it.
You say he's the 133rd best CB in the country? Well, if every school takes, on average, two CBs, that means that the top 240 CBs are getting FBS full-rides. He's almost smack-dab in the middle of that group - so why isn't he deserving?
You're getting too worked up about this. I don't wish the kid any ill will. He has nothing to apologize for.
I'm just personally skeptical that the #133 CB recruit would normally get a scholarship offer from a BCS-conference school. I could be wrong. The way to tell would be to go back and see where the other guys ranked around him ended up.
BTW, not all future college cornerbacks are ranked as such coming out of high school. Some are ranked as safeties (since HS teams often put their best DB there) and some get the "ATH" ranking.
Kid is good enough to earn a scholarship, there's nothing wrong with accepting it.
UCLA offering this 2-star recruit could be a shrewd financial move. For the cost of a scholarship they have greatly increased the chances of getting some sizable donations. It's LA, they understand the value of publicity too.
So the kid shouldn't be allowed a scholarship he earned because his dad is loaded. That is ridiculous. That is like people not wanting you to get paid for working because you already have a lot of money.
You'd be surprised how many people would agree with your last sentence.
If this logic turns out to be sound, and UCLA gets the money back, we should be given back most of our basketball scholarships. Sign a few more players, put NBA sons and Max B on the team as preferred walk ons.
While Combs doesn't NEED the financial aid, they promised schoalrship was the reason he chose UCLA over other potential suitors. If they decide that he can pay his way and take the scholarship away from him, it would be disrepectful and probably cause Combs to look elsewhere. The kid committed to UCLA because they promised him a scholarship. I'm sure he could have walked on to nearly any program in the country, or he could have gotten paid tuition and the respect that comes with it from another program.
Pretty much spot on.....and where to do draw the line with parents/guardians who are wealthy? Does an athlete who's parents are worth $10 million have to pay his/her own way? $1 million? $5 million? And will we then make prospective student-athletes document how much their parents/guardians are worth when they sign an LOI?
People need stuff to complain about. I dislike those people.
He worked hard his whole life for his scholarship. If people are upset about it because they didn't get the scholarship then maybe they can work harder. There are way too many people that think things should be just given to them. It has been an issue for a long time, but it has gotten a lot worse over the past few years. I didn't get an athletic scholarship, but I wasn't the athlete that these kids are.
I would definitely go to a school that provided me a scholarship over most schools that only offered me a walk on opportunity. There are coaches that will play a scholarship athelete over a walk on just because they don't want to hurt their pride. They don't want to admit that a walk on player is better than the kid they gave a scholarship. I am not saying that all coaches or colleges work this way, but it definitely does happen.
I don't think class or connections should enter into this at all.
UCLA is offering a scholarship to an athlete that they believe has earned it, and it shouldn't matter that his father happens to be Sean Combs. They even said that this does not affect needs-based programs, and in any event, it isn't unheard of for student-athletes to come from connected / wealthy / famous families (even if just locally), but alas, he is not his father, and I don't understand why anyone would think that his father should pay his son's way simply because of his fahter's wealth - that's somehow feeding into the inequities that such people are supposedly protesting.
Such a non-story. We offered a scholarship to THJr, right? And it's not like dozens of other sons of pro athletes haven't gotten the same. Why wasn't this a story when Barry Sanders Jr. accepted a full ride to Stanford? Or when that big OL (I can't remember his name, but he's Lincoln Kennedy's son) accepted the scholarship to USC? Both in CA, both sons of wealthy, famous people. USC also had a kid in their last recruiting class from Beverly Hills, no doubt his parents could afford tuition. And Master P's son had a full ride to USC a few years ago.
This happens all the time - why is this now a story?
This is dumb. But it's happening here because California is broke and has to make enormous budget cuts for the UC system
Fine, but they planned on giving out 85 scholarships to football players regardless. They are paying no more money than they expected. If the Combs kid would have gone elsewhere, or walked on, they would have spent that money on someone else.
I understand your greater point and agree with it but isn't Barry Sanders estranged from his son? I was under the impression that he was but I could be mistaken.
Yeah, you're right, but it doesn't change the point.
changing the last name on his jersey every few seasons.
I fall on the left of that political line pretty often, but (as I said above) I just don't think anyone protesting this understands where the money that young Mr. Combs will receive comes from. The only way I think you could really object to this would be by objecting to the fact that people pay to see Bruins games instead of donating money to needs-based scholarships, but the amount of social engineering that would be required to change that fact would be prohibitive, to say the least.
pretty sure i'm one of the farthest left around here, and i agree with most of what's been said.
If the kid earned it, he should get the scholarship regardless of his parents' financial situation.
I'm about ready to fork over quite a bit of $ as my son starts college in the Fall. He was awarded a couple nice merit scholarships, and I'd be quite ticked off if the college rescinded those believing I could pay the full amount out of my pocket.
Yeah, this is definately absurd. If the kid earned it, he earned it.
Agreed. God forbid someone work hard, whether it's academically or athletically, and is rewarded with a scholarship as a result. I'm sick and tired of the entitlement era we live in. Everyone expects something for free but doesn't want to put any effort into achieving it. The class warfare needs to stop too. Who cares if he comes from a wealthy family. He EARNED the scholarship through hard work.
I don't think people should be upset that he is getting this scholorship, he earned it therefore he deserves it, but if I'm UCLA, i would at least suggest the notion of him not taking the scholarship and walking on. If the kid is a true team player, and Diddy agrees, they can make their team better by keeping open a scholorship slot for someone who cannot afford to pay their own way.
I apologize in advance if someone else has already made this point, I didn't have time to read through the previous comments
People are making this same request about Braylon's little brother. But like Berkley Edwards, Little Diddy had offers from other schools, decent schools, such as Illinois and Virginia. Had UCLA told him he'd have to walk on, he may very well pick a school that would give him the scholarship. It's not just about the money, it's about earning something you feel you deserve. If the scholarship didn't matter, I'm sure he wouldn't accept a scholarship from anyone and just walk-on at whatever school he wanted to go to most. But even kids of rich people like being recognized for their accomplishments.
I think ucla should make his son walk all the way across town and back to bring the president of the university some cheese cake and THEN give him the scholarship.
Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, I spit hot fire.
The rare reverence to a reference! Well done.
I think people should be more concerned about why California is bankrupt, and what can be done about it, rather than worrying about what amounts to a tiny, tiny fraction of what the problem is.
If his last name was Gates, Buffett, etc. this would not be a story, 100% guaranteed.
Agreed, because I'd chip in for the $54,000 to see any offspring of Bill Gates or Warren Buffett playing Pac-12 football.
I doubt any of those men would have extremely athletic children (Gates especially). However, it would be an interesting discussion if one of their children got full rides for academic reasons (yes, I know numerous famous people's children get full rides to school far above their capabilites every year just to further propogate said schools' name).
I guess Austin Rivers' dad isn't rich? Duke had no problem. Of course, if they were team players enough then they should take a preferred walk-on spot instead on the premise that the coaches don't use that scholarship for a player of the same position (or not, depending on how confident you are).
Doesn't football generate its own money to pay for its own scholarships? I don't see how a single student activity fee or tax dollar goes to fund this scholarship.
Edit: If I had actually read the article I would have seen that this point had already been made.
The kid is an average corner recruit who doesn't even have true BCS level talent. He probably shouldn't have a scholarship and instead be considered a preferred walk-on. This way his millionaire father pays while he gets the level of attention from the football program that he actually earned.
The only real issue I have with it is how Combs is taking a spot that another cornerback actually deserves when it comes to football talent. While Combs and his millionaire dad get a free ride someone else most likely lost out because of it.
Dont agree with this at all
All over the country, guys work hard for their one or two big time offers. Think 3 stars like Brandent Englemon, to the tall safety in to 2012 class (Jeremy Clark) to Jaron Dukes.
" He probably shouldn't have a scholarship" He had 3, and you're just being a bitter hater. The No.8 prospect in New York, according to ESPN, isn't fit to play D-1? And who lost out, exactly? When Taybor Pepper picked MSU over Michigan cuz of a scholly, were you saying that he should have shut up and come here to be a walk on?
Combs had: Virginia, Illinois, UCLA. If you get an offer, you get an offer. These schools determined they would like him to play for them, end of story.
I feel like he shows ability consistent to that of MAC players, but maybe he did earn a scholarship at camps or something of that sort. Either way I feel like the attention his father brings to a program is enough to boost his stock in their eyes. If he had no talent whatsoever they obviously wouldn't have offered regardless, but the fact that he's a borderline 2-star recruit who has these offers makes me feel like his name helped him out.
I think it's doubtful that Illinois and Virginia would offer him to try and get the attention of P-Diddy (or whatever he calls himself)
When he was offered UCLA was deperate and any player who had half-way decent recruiting rankings was laughing when a UCLA offer came through. So I think he fit the profile for a UCLA recruit then just fine.
He also had other lower-level BCS offers and fits the profile of a high two/low three star pretty well.
In other words I don't think your argument is very good.
All I'm saying is that he has marginal talent. He may have been on the cusp of an offer from certain schools but the fact that Diddy is probably going to be a ridiculous booster down the line after he graduates most likely helped his cause and may have tipped the scales ever so slightly in helping him receive those offers. And telling recruits you've got P Diddy and his son on your side isn't ever going to hurt.
Have you even seen the kid play? What would have been Illinois reson for offering then?
Scholarships are awarded to children of the wealthy many times, should they not except theirs either based on the parents monetary status? Do you think the High School let him play because of his father, or becuase the kid bussed his rear on the field and in the class?
of 475 million other things to be more worried about. It might take me awhile but I bet I could do it.
I don't know what's more irritating to me, the idea that an affluent athlete is greedy if he accepts an athletic scholarship, or the implication that scholarship athletes are all from low-income families.
As others have pointed out, the scholarship is small potatoes compared to what this kid & his family might donate in the future. On that basis alone, if i worked in development I would shiv the UCLA staffer who risked offended them by guilt-tripping them about accepting a scholarship that the kid earned via his talent.
This is plain and simple...and it's bullshit.
Plenty well-off (mainly white, but some of color) kids get scholarships to schools every year. Not just athletic scholarships, but scholarships of all types.
No one asks their parents to pay it their tuition so they can give the scholarship back.
And if you want to make the difference between academic and athletic scholarships, that's fine too...because there are a whole bunch of rich kids playing football, lacrosse and every other sport who could afford to walk-on so that money went to a kid in need.
Anyone mad at this needs to STFO, end of story. This isn't even a discussion. It's wrong, period.
For this kid, the benefits of an athletic scholarship isn't free tuition. His dad can take care of that. Walk-ons, by NCAA rules, aren't afforded the same access to academic resources and training table, among other things. Regardless of someone's level of wealth, access to a well organized support system is probably invaluable for a new college student trying to balance academics and a full-time job playing football.
Besides, as several commenters pointed out, his dad is probably going to pay his fair share to the university via other means--and those payments will probably be of much greater benefit to ordinary students than a simple tuition payment.
The biggest benefit to taking a scholarship is the level of investment the coach makes in you. At NU when walk-ons played over scholarship players coaches were questioned. Athletic director-types ask, "why are we investing six figures into this kid when he sits the bench and the other guy works for free?" coaches HATE facing that from their bosses. Be a scholarship player and it's more opportunities to play early and often.
they gave a scholarship to Tom Harmon's son!
Or little diddy, or little puffy.
...it shouldn't be about how much his dad may or may not give. That's not the point. If Diddy doesn't give a dime, he has every right to do that.
It doesn't make it "okay" because it's an investment. This is a human being, not a fucking stock.
I'm sorry, I'm overly sensitive to this subject, I know. But I don't see, and will never see how EVERYONE one this board (and in this world) doesn't see how BLATANTLY WRONG this is.
This is a non-issue and a non-story and I'm offended that anyone would think it's wrong for him to have an athletic scholarship. I'm also offended that people have a "let it go, daddy will likely give a ton of money to the school" mentality. It doesn't make it okay or less of an issue because the kids dad may give the school money...not one bit.
In a society that hands out scholarships to kids (who aren't qualified or only meet minimum qualifications) to go to Ivy League schools based on their parents "legacy" .....or give scholarships to rich kids to play lacrosse, volleyball, and every other sport when their daddy's have the scholarship value in their spare wallet....this is the story we pick to be worried about.
Makes me sick. Offended and sick.
i can think of to defend the people being mad is that the UCLA football team would theoretically be better with combs' son paying his own way and using the scholarship on another player, effectively giving them 86 scholarship players.
other than that, yeah this is kinda fucked up.
Nobody had this kind of reaction to Michael Jordan's or Patrick Ewing's kids getting scholarships, although I imagine basketball scholarships are more valuable to the teams. It's not race, per se.
Nobody had this reaction to Bill Laimbeer getting a scholarship to Notre Dame, even though, a few years later, he was quoted as saying, "I'm the only guy in the NBA whose dad makes more than he does."
And, although I don't know for sure, I think I could have wrangled a DI football scholarship (MAC, maybe) and my dad paid out of state UM tuition without batting an eye. I don't think anyone at Kent State or Indiana would have said a word to me.
Maybe it's about hip-hop? The Maybach? Or maybe it's about Sean Combs himself? Seems like lots of people dislike him.
Obviously, we'll see if the kid can play.
If I was Diddy, I'd pay for my kids just so the team could use the schollie on another quality player. But I don't judge them for taking the scholarship. He earned it. Good for the kid. And I'm sure Diddy is an incredibly proud father. More power to them. Their life, their decision. We see this all the time. Why is this the one that's a big deal?
If the kid earned it, he earned it. End of story. His athletic scholarship has NOTHING to do with what his dad does for a living. I'm sure there are more than a few Michigan football players who could afford tuition, but they earned a scholarship, so they should get it.
This story is ridiculous, and it's this kind of bickering that distracts us from what's important.
There are two separate issues at play here:
1. The issue of whether or not it's fair to give a rich kid a merit-based college scholarship.
2. Whether Combs would have gotten this opportunity if he weren't P. Diddy's son.
I think most of us agree that #1 is not a very legitimate criticism to make, but #2 may be an open question. Justin Combs can be charitably deemed a "sleeper" recruit. Does UCLA regularly recruit 2-star guys from the East Coast?
When rich kids(mostly white kids)receive tennis,golf or baseball schollie I don't seem to recall the outcry as in this case.
Sorta like affirmative action,but no one ever wants to say that legacy points are another form of affirmative action. Wonder how many middle class/working class kids passed over beacuse of rich, legacy parents?