OT: DFW sports anchor rant re: Michael Sam

Submitted by GoWings2008 on

Dale Hansen, the Dallas-Ft Worth ABC news affiliate sports anchor, went on a rant that has gone viral.  He went off on the NFL and the hipocracy regarding Sam's qualifications and the perception the NFL is left with regards to his draft stock.

Like or hate him, he makes some very strong points.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/texas-sports-anchor-cuts-to-the-point-of-michael-sam-story-021214

SECcashnassadvantage

February 13th, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^

Great points and no matter what it's true. I don't care if someone is gay. More chicks for me, and they aren't hurting me. I respect people that live how they want, and don't care what is politically correct at the time. I hope the Lions draft him! Go Blue!

FreddieMercuryHayes

February 13th, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

Good for him; he makes great points pretty much all around. And good for him calling out all the NFL players who are celebrated which have done actually bad things. The only criticism I have of his soliloquy is that Sam is/was a 3rd-5th round pick, even before public ally coming out, because he's like 6'2" and 260 lbs as a DE. There is well established precedent for the NFL to shy away from non-ideal size and/or position switchers as SAM may have to do to play LB. Other than that, spot on.

uofmfan_13

February 13th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

But most (not the Browns lol) are creating a product that they want to see win and fill up stadiums.  If the media descends on Michael Sam, creates a huge firestorm and then causes division in the franchise, the team and the fan community -- is that worth the pick?  I don't know.  And don't act like it couldn't happen.  It has happened.

Witness Atlanta and Michael Vick.  AND PLEASE NOTE - I am not equating the two in terms of behavior.  Michael Sam is a human being and Michael Vick aided criminal and inhumane activity.  But I am equating the two in terms of the potential (yes - POTENTIAL) media firestorm.  The season Michael Vick's dog-running came up - ATL's season went down the tubes.

You can't dismiss that so easily.  And I sincerely hope it doesn't happen this way because it will bring out the worst in all sides of the issue. 

BoFan

February 13th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

This is a terrible excuse for not doing what is right. Your making exactly the same argument that was made when Jackie Robinson joined MLB. Is that any reason to take away a man or woman's rights. It's interesting that even Al Campanis was one of the biggest proponents of Robinson playing. That puts comments like yours to the right of even Al.

LSAClassOf2000

February 13th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^

To be accurate, Al Campanis resigned (I assume, given what happened, it was of the corporate "please resign or we will fire you" variety) two days after this interview. I have to say, this still probably ranks as one of the most mind-blowingly embarrassing ways that anyone has destroyed their career, at least in the age of the television interview. Koppel gave him opportunities to clarify too, but Campanis continued to dig the hole with patently racist and stereotyped remarks. 

BoFan

February 13th, 2014 at 1:56 PM ^

Yes true, and a bit sad as well.  Because it turns out that despite Al's racist views, he was one of the biggest proponents of furthering the rights of minority players, starting out with Jackie Robinson as his roommate.  Fortunately he was at retirement age so it didn't destroy his career.  But his legacy is a bit sad given he'll be remembered for his Koppel interview and racist views and not for his previous actions.  The silver lining is that as a result of his interview, the league put in a number of policies that accellerated the opportunities for minorities in management positions.  I don't think we'd be where we are today if it wasn't for Al's unfortunate downfall.  

And I believe Sam, by coming out and starting a national discourse, has decided that there is a similar opportunity today.  

westwardwolverine

February 13th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

A serious question: If you scoff at the notion that having gay players in the locker room (something that I personally don't care about) causing any kind of discomfort for straight players, do you also believe that we no longer need separate locker rooms based on gender? What about bath rooms? And if women have any problem with this, would you just tell them to grow up or stop being so whateverphobic or get over it? 

I get it: You get to brush off straight people being concerned about anything because they are straight and anything that doesn't fit your worldview is instantly some kind of -ist or -istic. But try thinking about it from the standpoint of a victim group (RE: Women in the same situation as straight men in this case) and get back to me. 

westwardwolverine

February 13th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^

No, I'm saying the opposite. Straight men are not considered a victim group and thus their concerns do not matter to anyone, despite in this case having a valid point. 

Answer one of the hypotheticals I've posed: In a scenario where gender-based locker rooms were abolished, would you look a woman in the eye who has complained about males looking at her while showering and tell her to "get over it"? Tell her that its her problem, not the men? Because that is what we are doing to the players who are voicing any concern over this issue. 

I'm not even saying they are right. I'm saying they have a right to their concerns and their concerns can be considered valid and they shouldn't just be brushed off as homophobic for voicing their opinion, which is what many, many people on this blog are doing in their effort to stumble over one another to grab the torch labelled "MOST TOLERANT HUMAN EVAAA". 

michchi85

February 13th, 2014 at 1:48 PM ^

So I should ask my gym to screen every guy to see which one is gay?  I'm concerned by gay men being in here, and I don't want to shower with them?  Yes, that's realistic.  Sometimes you just need to toughen up and get over it.  

jabberwock

February 13th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^

I've been reading your drivel for over an hour and it makes no sense.

I get it: you obviously have embraced the "Everyone else gets to be a victim and get special treatment so why can't I" mentality and are using it to play some kind of faux devils advocate. 

So what?

I don't like seeing 90 yr old men in the men's locker room.  I deal with it.
I look like Al Borges & I'm sure some people may be uncomfortable with me.  THEY can deal with it.
I've always known there were gay people in my locker room (perhaps, but doubtful they were checking me out)  I deal with it.

I don't care if if locker rooms are co-ed because I'm a funtioning adult.  
Neither I NOR my wife & daughters would have a problem with it either as long as there some basic safeguards.

My wife is bisexual and my best friend is gay (no really) and it may be amazing to you, but neither have been thrown out of locker rooms for excessive oogling nor arrested for blood curdling sexual assaults . . .  Should they take turns changing in the broom closet?

They male female locker room system has been the standard for thousands of years because Men & Women are biologicaly different, and the vast majority of people are straight.

You keep asking how people would feel,?  Well, Id feel fine, and so would all genders in my family.  There are uncomfortable situations we face every day that we don't feel the need to cry to the world about.
What kind of answer are you looking for?  Do nothing? build 16 types of locker rooms?
Hold the hand of every poor NFL millionaire that feels "icky" in the shower now?

what is your damn point?

slblue

February 13th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

Women constitute half the population - or more, actually. We have separate locker rooms due to that fact. If the female population were equivalent to the gay population, I bet there would be many more co-ed locker rooms, and who cares? I have three daughters and would have no problem whatsoever were that to be the case. The reality is that there are only single locker rooms for professional sports teams and given that reality any notions of "discomfort" should be completely irrelevant to anything.

justingoblue

February 13th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

is that there already are women in NFL locker rooms. They're already walking around naked in front of straight women, there's also a near certainty that they've done the same with gay men before.

I haven't been in an NFL locker room and I certainly didn't ask out loud but from being in a couple NHL locker rooms (as a minor, by the way) the guys that are walking around naked don't give a shit who sees them.

PizzaHaus

February 13th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

The main issue with men and women sharing a locker room is primarily that women can become actively, very reasonably frightened by big dudes (who could easily overpower them) checking them out naked. 

The last woman alone in the locker room would be understandably scared by sharing it with a bunch of guys.

No such issue exists with Michael Sam. He's obviously not going to try to sexual assault his teammates, but he really wouldn't be able to anyway. There's no fear of harm. I find the discomfort pretty weird - you know there's some straight dudes taking a peek for the sake of comparison. I wouldn't feel any added discomfort naked around a guy because that guy was gay.

westwardwolverine

February 13th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

So now you're judging all men by their appearance (i.e., bigger and stronger than females)?

Let's just arrest all white men with glasses and tucked-in checkered shirts who drive vans as pedophiles every time they get close to a playground. Because it might make other people uncomfortable because that's the stereotype. 

grumbler

February 14th, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^

Smaller, physically weak males should be allowed to shower at home.  If there are NFL players afraid that some gay player might see their junk, the NFL should repeal the prohibition on changing in a stall in the locker room bathroom, and should repeal the requirement that players must shower in the locker room showers rather than at home.

Two simple rule changes (I assume these are NFL rules, or else your argument is fucked)  would solve the whole problem, and no NFL player could argue that they were forced to allow gays to check their junk. 

PizzaHaus

February 13th, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

Is this a joke? 

In a general sense, men are bigger and stronger than women. This can lead to problems: look up rape statistics, and you'll be amazed to find that it's usually men attacking women as opposed to men on men or women on men.

Lots of women would feel uncomfortable being naked around random men because, on a general level, there's the possibility of sexual assault. That isn't really the case in an NFL locker room.

Let's see what delighfully incoherent place you take this next. 

slblue

February 13th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

Westward, you and others apparently think that some amorphous notion of "discomfort" is relevant to anything having to do with Sam's hiring and employment. My god, the same amorphous arguments were made about women in the workplace and blacks, other minorities, etc., etc. A person's subjective discomfort has no place in a discussion about whether someone should be hired. Many are uncomfortable with straight men "looking at their junk" and it would be no different with gay men. Women in the military have no privacy in the field and in many places (e.g., Israel) there is no problem. Discomfort, whatever that means, does not equate to sexual harassment - which is prohibited by policy and law.

nowayman

February 13th, 2014 at 4:18 PM ^

finding any empathy for millionaires feeling uncomfortable about showering around an openly gay man.  

 

You don't have a right to not be uncomfortable.  

 

I almost hope he comes to the Texans and absolutely dominates.  I think it would do wonders for the rainbow barrier that still exists in this town (despite Houston having a very large gay community).  

 

I say "almost" because it's selfish to expect the guy to spear head gay rights or do anything but play football.  

mGrowOld

February 13th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

Not a rant - just an extremely well thought out and articulated descruction of the "we're just not comfortable with it" bullshit arguement.  I wonder why the same players who "arent comfortable" around Sams ARE comfortable around players who cheat on their wives, father children out of wedlock, do large amount of recreational drugs, "make it rain" at strip clubs and beat women.  THOSE dudes are A-Ok but not a gay man - oh heavens no.  

That makes some folk "uncomfortable".   "Hey NFL - 1957 is on the phone - they want their bigotry back"

JamieH

February 13th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^

uofmfan_13 has actually gone and answered the impossible to answer question of "Who is the biggest f'nig idiot on this entire site".  I didn't think that was actually possible.  I guess I know now how to get -30,000 points.

cbs650

February 13th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

you know why he didn't publically announce he was gay before the season eventhough he told his teammates and coaches? because of the media attention it has garnered and Mizzu didn't want to deal with it. I wholeheartedly believe he and his teammates were counseled to not say anything to the media, lets get through this season and we he does announce we will say how proud we are of him. this quote from the espn article about how his teammates supported him is why I made the above statement. The next day, Pinkel asked Sam how he wanted to handle coming out to the rest of the world, asking him, "We have to talk about, 'Now what do you want to do? Do you want this to come out now? Do you want to after the season? After the NFL draft? What are you thinking here, Mike?'" After discussing the ramifications of Sam's decision with the athletic department's public relations staff, Sam thought about it overnight before deciding to postpone any announcement until after the season, Pinkel said. Pinkel said Sam told him, "I do not want to have any distractions for our football team. We've got to concentrate on football, and I'll [come out] at another time." All of a sudden he (Sam) went from it being all about football and not wanting distractions to now potentially inviting them? I don't think so. He wanted to himself in college and couldn't (well at least not to the public).

WindyCityBlue

February 13th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

I bet you Michael Sam gets drafted right around where he's supposed be and preform's as if he was a straight male in the same situation.

All the political BS (both elephants and donkeys) has really turned a non-issue into a certifiable situation.

 

markusr2007

February 13th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

is common, not an exception. The root cause of all of this "controversy" is fear.  And it has been an irrational and debilitating fear for decades preventing collective advancement.

In the past people would respond dismissively: "Yeah, gee, that's too bad (about the bigotry)".

Now the response fromn the younger generation seems to be: "Just what the hell is wrong with you, dude/lady?".

I'm pleasantly surprised by the societal attitude adjustment on thhis Michael Sam story. Plus I find that the trolling and ridicule of unfounded intolerance makes for great entertainment.

 

JamieH

February 13th, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^

that a smart GM might be able to get good value for Sam because he will go below market value.  Good drafting is all about getting more value for your pick than you should.  If he slips past where his true value is, then someone should grab him.  If their team is really so immature that the locker room can't handle having a gay guy in it, well they aren't going to win s*** anyway.

JayMo4

February 13th, 2014 at 2:23 PM ^

Arguments that change will cause distraction can be used to defend any form of discrimination or backwards thinking that has ever existed.  The Jackie Robinson analogy that a previous poster made was a great one, but just one of a near infinite number.  Arguing that Sam is not worth the sideshow is nothing more than a rationalization that one needs because he cannot just come out and say he doesn't like gay people.  

The most cowardly version of this defense is the front office guys that won't even admit that they're the ones with the problem:  "Gee, I would love to have him on my team because I am just SO open minded and tolerant.  But you know, football culture, the guys in the locker room, you know... some other mean people that are not me would have a problem with it.  So much as I'd love to see progress on this issue, aww shucks, what can I do as a multi-millionaire that is otherwise accustomed to making big decisions and controlling a major sports franchise?"

ClearEyesFullHart

February 13th, 2014 at 9:28 PM ^

http://mgoblog.com/search/google?cx=004467431547414100797%3A06pnh4drndu… Is that five threads dealing with the same non-story? The guy is gay. He's good at football. What exactly is interesting about that? Does he have a really cool pretend dead boyfriend? Because THAT would be a story. 100% of this discussion consists of feigned shock about how backward everyone else is while everyone pats themselves on the back for how very tolerant and open minded they are. This story could have gone away 3 or 4 days ago.