Watkins won't drop. His stock is through the roof - could possibly go top 5.
OT: Detroit Lions First Round Draft Choice
There are ton of QB needy teams at top 5-10. There's Clowney, Barr, Mack, Matthews and Robinson who are likely top 10 picks. That's about 8-9 potential players taken before Watkins is considered.
If not Watkins, I want Eric Ebron. Freak athlete at TE who can line up at X, Y, Z and slot WR position.
I saw Ebron in UNC's bowl game. He looks to have Funchess skill/speed/versatility with legit NFL TE size. He would be a great pick, especially if Pettigrew walks. Watkins obviously should be close to, if not at, #1 on the Lions' board, but Ebron would be a 1a vs. 1b type of fall-back plan.
Lions are taking a kicker with their first round pick, bank it
Their is no way they can pass on Trey Burke if he's still there.
Still too soon.
Sammy Watkins and if he doesn't drop to them there aren't really any other receivers or d-backs who deserve a Top 10 pick so trade back to someone who has multiple first rounds or a first and second and pick up your best available receiver and corner.
trading back for multiple awesome picks isn't as easy as a lot of people seem. Teams always try to lowball unless you are the Browns and want Kellen Winslow. I agree though...Watkins or TRY to get out of the pick
Even if they traded back about ten picks and picked up a third rounder it would still benefit them. Might be a best offer kind of deal. If Watkins isn't there, they are pretty much reaching if they pick anyone at receiver or d-back
There has to be value worth trading down or they'll stand pat and take a player.
Acquiring an extra pick = value.
If a team trade back 15 spots and get other team's 1st round plus their 7th round pick. Does that mean that they got value just because of one extra pick? No.
If the player the team wants is going to be available later in the first round with the acquired pick, then yes, that means they got value. This is why you always hear Kiper (who I think has his head very far up his own ass a good deal of the time, but I agree with him conceptually here) and others like him harping on teams for taking particular players "too early." If you want player X, and player X will be available with the 25th pick, then trade back to the 25th pick and pick up a little something extra. Value.
Offensive line always fills up a good chunk of the first round, too. Teams in need likely could be taking Lewan and others higher than expected.
I do not believe he will drop that far either.
I feel like for the past decade, I've been saying get a top notch DB. So...get a top notch DB. NFL is a passing league, but I feel good WRs are easier to find than good DBs. With Johnson, they don't need another top-10 draft pick type WR. They just need a good one. But they do need serious help in the secondary, and a top-10 type DB I feel is more worth it. Should be able to find a good WR early in the second round.
I don't think CB or S are worth #10 overall pick in this year draft.
Lions have a lot of young players who are either in their 1st or 2nd year in the league. It's time to develop players especially Slay.
Evans from Texas A&M.
But that kid has NFL headache written all over him. And if he gets lazy with his frame, it's David Boston 2.0 with no return.
For a team with strong leadership, absolutely, but not for the Lions.
Well hello Buzzkillington
I'll bet you would've mocked the Buzz Killingtons of the world who said, "don't take Titus Young, the guy's a head case."
I mean, sorry he didn't like your idea and all, I guess that was rough on you. It's not buzzkill though.
a different head case . . .
I say take Watkins if available. If not, get a LB. Secondary players are very rarely worth a top ten pick.
Don't look too deep man. I was just making a funny. Yost had good points.
is he won't bully every CBs and he faded big time at the end of the season. IMO, Johnny Football made him because of his ability to extend plays. Evans is a stiff athlete who isn't a good route runner. He struggles to create separation, but he is fantastic at contested catches which makes up for it. Problem is it's hard to translate it into the NFL because NFL CBs are much more adept at knocking balls out of WRs hands.
IMO, he's one of the more overrated prospect who are hyped as a top 15 pick. He's a very good WR and is better off getting drafted at 2nd round where his true value lies.
LSU trotted out a freshman who just happened to be 6'1" on him and he basically did nothing against him. We have enough guys on the team who we've drafted simply because they're tall, we need a more complete pick at receiver.
In other words, perfect Lions pick.
Because this is the answer in every other thread, Norfleet.
and yes I know he is not in the draft, that is how badly the Lions do on draft day.
The Lions got the PFF rookie of the year in the third round, their first round pick led all rookies in sacks, and they picked up two stars out of UDFA.
i've been in a coma for two years and just came out of it.
are the Lions good now?
in over a decade. I think you can understand why people might be skeptical of the Lions drafting ability
was a good one as well. Got Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas and Levy. Sammie Lee Hill was a contributor and signed with the Titans as a rotational DT.
2010 draft was solid only because they traded picks to land Sims, Williams and Houston. It was a bargain trade and all three contributed to the 2011 playoff team.
2011 draft was not a good one. Only Fairley panned out, but it depends on which Fairley will show up. The one who is dominant or the one who disappeared.
Still too early to tell on 2012 draft and 2013 draft, but 2013 draft looks to be a strong draft.
Say what you want about Mayhew, his draft record is no different than other GMs. He had good drafts and had some clunkers. Expecting GMs to hit on every single pick is unrealistic.
i get it, i get it -- Mayhew hasn't been horrible.
But as a Lions fan for about 30 years, it's going to take a lot more than a few good draft picks to convince me that the Lions have it all figured out.
...but I think it's a deep draft for WRs this year, especially with Watkins and Lee coming out.
I said, take Lewan in round 1 (which could allow Reiff to move to RT) and Jordan Matthews out of Vandy in round 2. He's flying under the radar after being compared to Larry Fitzgerald all year.
You also have guys like L'Damian Washington from Mizzou or Shaq Evans from UCLA that will be available in the midrounds. If you're looking for a midround slot, Gallon could be your guy or Huff from Oregon or Reese from Baylor. It's a very solid WR draft IMO.
I would just go OL in round 1 because if you don't get a starter, there really isn't any point in drafting OL (for the Lions), they already have a bunch of solid backup types, a 3rd or 4th round guy isn't going to be much of an upgrade. They need to draft a C for the future, but that can be done in the later rounds.
I also don't see much depth on the OL if Reiff were to miss any time.
I'd go Lewan and know, okay, I'm good up front for awhile with two good YOUNG tackles.
Then I'd go WR (2nd), then CB (3rd), I believe they don't have a 4th rounder, then C (5th), then LB (6th), then S (7th), then WR again (7th)
So drafting for depth at the 10th overall pick doesn't make a ton of sense when there are other glaring needs in the back 7 on D. Especially in the secondary.
...but also Cyrus Kouandjio if he graded out better than Lewan and both are available.
I forgot to mention him as well since he's declared for the draft.
I said draft a starting OT...knowing you have 2 solid YOUNG OTs.
It would in turn provide you with some depth if Reiff got hurt and it would push the current RT inside or to the bench as the first backup...which also gives you better depth.
But that's not why you do it, that's just a bonus. The reason you do it is to upgrade your OL and know you're set (except for C down the road) for the foreseeable future.
The reason the DL got so good is because they saw it through, the drafted DL until every position was filled and a bonus was that they got some quality depth and/or situational players.
Draft Lewan or Kouandjio at 10 and your OL looks very good for a long time. You're not looking for FAs or screwing with anything...you've got your guys to go in front of your QB. Now let's go fill other holes.
Have a solid backup OT in Hilliard. He was pretty good when Waddle went down and is only 28. There's no way you can Draft a tackle with two young above average starters and an already more than capable backup on the bench.
Then again they are the Lions so all bets are off.
I don't know if Reif would move to RT if they picked Taylor after the way he played this year. He may be there the next 10 yrs. either way I like this move if Watkins is gone.
Then draft a RT in Lewan or Kouandjio. Either or.
But Watkins isn't going to fall, and this is a really deep WR class. Take the elite OT now and then go get your WR since you have an Elite WR.
Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to the Lions taking TWO WRs in the 2nd and like 5th rounds. Get Matthews from Vandy in the 2nd and then get Gallon/Huff/Reese in the 5th to play the slot.
I think that may be overkill, but I wouldn't be screaming at my TV about it.
What the Lions SHOULDN'T do is say we need a WR first, DB second and OL 3rd and then wait until the 3rd round to draft an OL. That's not going to help them other than provide young depth. They don't need to be drafted for young depth in the 3rd round. That young depth isn't going to be any better than the backups they have now...he'll just be younger.
So even if you need a WR first, go get a starting OT, then come back and get a starting WR in the 2nd and a potential starting DB in the 3rd.
I wanted like hell for them to draft Brandon Boykin a couple years ago and he was a 4th round pick. I think you can find a similar DB in the 3rd round of this draft. Maybe Deion Belue from Bama or LaMarcus Joyner from FSU?
The offensive line this past season was much improved. I do not believe it was an issue and they looked to be set at RT with Waddle and Fox. Waddle graded out as one of the top RTs in the league last year. This was Reiff's first year at LT and I thought he was solid, but he will improve.
If you are looking at impact players that will get the team into the playoffs you have to look at the skill positions.
WR is the biggest need on this team. Outside of Calvin Johnson, they don't really have anyone that is reliable catching the ball. There is not much depth there. If you fix that problem by taking Watkins or Evans, this team is a playoff team. After the 1st pick, I would go defense the rest of the draft. If a db drops, trade back into the first round to get him.
I do tend to agree that if you could grab Gallon in a later round, I would do it, but I view him more as a possession receiver (like Welker) in the NFL. You still need a big fast WR for the otherside of the field.
Lewan would be a waste of pick because Lions already have two young OT who will start for the next 7-10 years in Reiff and Waddle. Throw in Warford who has been arguably the best OG in the league this past season. OL is the last thing in Lions mind except future OC replacement for Riaola.
Lions #1 need is WR. Durham and Burleson isn't cutting it at outside WR. Broyles future is murky with 2 knee injuries. Only CJ and Jeremy Ross who are worth keeping. They need to draft at minimum 2 WRs. One at 1st two rounds and another at later rounds at 4th or 6th round.
Yost must not watch many Lions games.(Can't say I blame him)
I also agree about WR being he #1 need. They need at least one, if not two, receivers. I'd also look at TE, OLB, and CB.
For some reason, late round TEs seem to have great value. I surely wouldn't mind if the Lions go after one later in the draft.
but, don't take a cornerback.
I argue over and over that the rules favor offense and that shut down corners are useless in the modern NFL.
I want a wideout to tandem with calvin like the bears use jeffery and marshall...
I wanted to dispute you but I couldn't find the information anywhere simple. I will say that 'or should have been' is a cop out...
I feel the same way about cornerbacks in free agency; I just think the cash is wasted on a position that lacks the ability within the rules to have an impact.
Also, the best cornerback I could think of off the top of my head was Sherman in Seattle who was a fifth round pick...
I'd like to see them draft Mike Evans, if Watkins doesn't fall that low, him opposite Calvin would be rediculous. Then maybe pick up a slot guy in free agency like Jeremy Maclin.
They need help at corner as well, so I wouldn't mind seeing them draft Justin Gilbert or Dennard. This draft seems pretty deep at corner though, so I feel like that #10 pick is better served for WR to compliment Calvin.
I think Gallon would be a good slot receiver that will probably be available on the 2nd or 3rd day of the draft. He has great hands and runs good routes. Seems like a perfect fit.
Evans seems like a head case IMO. Had 2 15-yard penalties in their bowl game because he lost his cool. No thanks, Lions don't need a Titus 2.0
I agree he is a bit of a risk, but not on a Titus Young level. Evans hasn't had the serious off-field issues Titus had at Boise St. and Titus was also suspended multiple times for missing workouts/missing practices/team rules violations/arguing with coaches.
I would take the risk, hoping that I could coach a twenty year old to how to not lose his cool on the field, when the upside could be Calvin 2.0 across the field from Calvin 1.0.
Gallon. I'd use the 10th pick on him...
in the 4th or 5th round.
Yeah, I wasn't serious. Sorry for the lack of a /s.
Trade down for more picks.
They will draft Justin Feagin in the first round. Book it.
I'd keep my eyes on are Ellingtom from South Carolina and Benjamin from FSU who will be available after the first round. Ellington was huge against Wisconsin in the Capitol One Bowl.
I believe Drew Dileo is a sleeper in later rounds or as a free agent. He can catch, hold on kicks and SLIDE!
If neither drafts him, he'd be best not being drafted and being an UFA that can sign with the Broncos or the Patriots.
I bet he'd make either team in a manner that Kovacs made the Dolphins.
I highly doubt Blake Barrs will fall to 10 but if he's there I think it's a no brainer. Guy could play OLB behind Ansah and you could have one of the most physically gifted front 7 in all of football.
Blake BARS plays for Michigan, he's a 290lb backup OG/OC that is fighting for PT this year. Only one R in this last name.
Blake BORTLES is a QB from UCF. Lions don't need a QB. No R's in his last name.
Anthony BARR is an OLB from UCLA projected to go in the top 3-5 picks. His name isn't Blake, nor does his last name end in S.
for #10 overall pick are Sammy Watkins and Eric Ebron.
Watkins is explosive WR who is an aggressive runner with the ball in his hands. His accleration is elite and gets into top speed within 2 steps. He has the ability to extend his hands and pluck balls out of mid-air. He's exactly the type of WR Lions need to punish defense from rolling coverage to CJ. His biggest weaknesses is contested catches and route running in which he has a tendency to round off routes. Seeing Lions offense struggling without CJ on the field is striking and it shows that they need another vertical threat to keep it humming. Durham and Burleson have had a ton of trouble separating from DBs which doesn't help Stafford as well though Stafford have his own faults.
Ebron is another freak athlete at TE. With the trends of athletic TE who can provide mismatches, he fits the profile at 6'4" and 245 lbs with 4.4 speed. He is a very smooth athlete who can press onto DB's cushion space and threaten vertically. Very good route runner with good hands. His weakness is blocking but he shown that he can be a good blocker in the next level and contested catches tho he improved from last year. Ebron can line up at all WR position plus TE which gives Lions scheme flexibility. With Pettigrew may not come back as a UFA, TE could be a need. Fauria has been a pleasant surprise but is more suited as a #2 TE because of his lack of speed and Michael Williams is more of a #3 TE as a blocking TE.
His weakness is blocking but he shown that he can be a good blocker in the next level...
If he's shown to be a weak blocker in college how can you expect him to be a good one in the NFL?
however, in today's NFL the top TEs are the one who can run and catch. Look at Jimmy Graham for example. Not a good blocker but elite receiver. Only Gronk and Davis are the only one you can say is a true two way threat at TE. If you want to spend a 1st round on a TE, you need to get a good receiving TE with great athleticism period. Eric Ebron and Jace Amaro are the two who fits the mold of joker TE position in today's NFL.
Sammy Watkins, Anthony Barr or Darqueze Dennard. Lions should be able to walk out of the first round with one of those players. Depending on what his combine #'s look like, wouldn't be mad with landing HaHa if those options are unavailable.
For those mentioning Evans, we need somebody more explosive who can seperate quickly. A Sammy Watkins/Marquise Lee-type. Stafford has enough players he can just chuck it up to.
Ebron, Watkins, Evans, or Matthews... Would really like to get Stafford another solid option.
Curse you Matt Millen for never addressing the receiver position in the draft.
If not Sammy, then Kelvin Benjamin. It would be the Calvin show on offense!
He's just so explosive and you won't find another wide receiver in the draft that comes close to what he brings playmaker wise. If he's there at 10, its a steal.
1. Sammy Watkins
2. Khalil Mack
3. Darqueze Dennard
Dennard is slow. Maybe if they trade down, you take a chance but I like Slay.
Marqise Lee. Provides speed to another outside receiver. I would prefer a speed receiver opposed to another bigger target, although if someone like Allen Robinson slipped to the 2nd round I could see him fitting an Alshon Jeffrey type role.
What if Kelvin Benjamin runs the same 40 yard time(or close) as Marqise Lee at a much bigger size? Lee reportedly runs a 4.49 and Benjamin a 4.54. Which is pretty darn close when you compare the size difference: Lee 6' 195, Benjamin 6'5" 235. What if the 40 times in the combine are even closer?
it's their ability to separate. I rather have a WR who runs 4.6 and can separate as opposed to WR who runs 4.3 and can't separate.
The Lions should draft Trey Burke. They'd be stupid not to.
I just want to say I think teams should ALWAYS draft a QB in rounds 6 or 7. What is the downside? A lot of 6th or 7th rounders either don't make the squad or get cut after a year. Taking a flyer on a QB who becomes a Tony Romo or Tom Brady is well worth a 6t or 7th rounder (especially a comp pick from the NFL that is untradable). Just my 2 cents about the draft.
I have them with Marqise Lee from USC. Can make guys miss in space
Take CJ Mosley, a LB that can really take advantage of the work the talented D-Line does. Also, he should get along really well with the CJ Mosley that's already on the team. If that's not kismet I don't know what is.
I still think Detroit needs another DT to compliment Fairley and move Suh outside to help on the pass rush. For all the money they have spent on the DL the outside pass rush is still a problem.
Willie Young is a solid rotation player but not a starter in this league. I still feel like Suh has enough speed he could raise some hell on the edge. Ansah looks to be solid as well.
Secondary help is a must...Slay looks like he has a future but there isn't another CB on the roster you could trust.
I'm for trading down about 8 or 9 spots if possible and add another mide to late round pick. This team badly needs to find some secondary players who can contribute.
A reason for the terrible pass rush was the subtraction of Jason Jones. Now he's no Suh, but he will be a positive to the DE group when he returns next year. I'm intrigued by moving Suh around everywhere, I'd love to see Detroit use his athleticism better as well.
If Watkins doesn't fall to 10 I'd personally like to see them grab Haha Clinton-Dix. I don't think they're going to pick up Delmas' option thus saving themselves some money but creating another hole in the secondary.
I have a man crush on Sammy Watkins. Watkins paired with Johnson would be a wet dream of an offense. Detroit needs NFL ready corners, BAD. If Watkins is gone, I'd draft Dennard. I'm not really concerned about defense in the NFL though. It appears the NFL wants to do away with defense entirely, so in this new age of football, I say go for the offensive guys and don't look back. If Detroit could win every game 45-39, I sure as hell don't care. I just want wins, 3-0, 55-54, that shit doesn't matter to me.
I think that there would be a chance that Lewan is available for the tenth pick, but isn't the need at c/g? would be pretty cool.
Different mock draft have 5-6 OTs going in the first 15 picks, others have only 2. No way of knowing who'll get taken because half the teams picking high still don't have coaches, lmao. Lewan is worth a high pick, but luckily will fall well below 10, maybe enough for us to get him with our second pick because of so many teams picking for other needs. Jake Matthews is a clear top 10 pick this year, and second in OTs taken will be Auburns Robinson. After them Kuoandjio and Lewan, maybe a few others like FSUs Evans or the other Tamu Tackle could be available for a steal.
I want my browns to take Watkins if Manziel is gone, Evans or Lee should be there
I think the Lions will take Watkins at 10, there are so many teams in need of a QB/OT ahead of us that he'll likely still be there. I don't think another WR is worth that pick if he's already gone, or even worth much more than a bottom end first round pick, so our new coach might take a chance on TE Eric Ebron and move Megatron back out of the slot and pick up a WR high in the second round. I can imagine them picking Sparty CB Dennard at 10 also because he's versatile, being so physical in the run game.
If Watkins is off the board I'd like to see them move down and pick up a pair of guys that fall. WR Lee from USC, and any one of Lewan/Kuoandjio would be a nice consolation, and give us not just depth, but possibly dominance since Lions RTs Fox and Waddle can play inside/outside.
is there for the Lions to pick, and they don't pick him, everybody in that draft headquarter should be FIRED!
He's on the Lions board for sure.
Assuming Watkins is gone I would like the Lions to take Lee or Ebron. I am nervous about Lee's injury history, and looking at the effect of TEs like Jimmy Graham, Gronk, or even a young guy like Jordan Reed, I am leaning there. I know Fauria had a good year, but I doubt he becomes much more than a good red zone target. Plus, there is more than enough room for two TEs in a good offense nowadays. Pettigrew had a better year, but he is not the playmaker that Ebron could be.
If Dennard drops to 20 or more, trade up for him, otherwise wait for a CB. Similar deal with WR, if Evans or Lee somehow drop to the 20s I would like the Lions to trade up. If they don't, wait and take a WR a bit later as it is very deep this year.
My dream Scenario (other than Watkins dropping):
1. Take Ebron
2. Dennard/Evans/Lee drop a bit into the 20s and the Lions trade up OR Benjamin fro FSU drops to the 2nd rd
3. Draft the best available CB or WR depending on which position was drafted with the 2nd pick.
Later rounds: A center would be good i the value is there. An OLB too if the value is right. Otherwise best available. A lot of people stress choosing the best available in the early rounds, but I tend to think the later rounds are where that strategy has more value.
For the same reason I think Dennard falls, I think the Lions shouldn't trade up for him. I also believe the Steelers will take him at 15. If you're going to trade up for a guy that falls, go for Gilbert. Gilbert brings help to the return game and he is a top notch cornerback as well. I think you just see Dennard a lot with him being from the Big Ten, but don't overlook Gilbert. He's bigger, stronger, and faster. Plus he can return kicks.
At 15, that would make me want him more. They draft well.
Would love Dennard in the bottom of the first.
Courtney Avery we need Cbs. I guess it depends who they resign but as of right now I go with a cb. We or playmaking the 2nd rd. The wr position is deep in this draft so u could get a good one in the mid rounds also. But the lions have 20 free agents I thought I read and they signed don't Carey already for depth and special teams. Corners tight end and wideouts are the obvious maybe a center depending on Dom but I say resign him he played well and gave us a hell of a discount for the way he played.
I see a lot of comments for Watkins and Evans but few for Allen Robinson. Is he not projected as a 1st rounder? If not, I would rather take a shot at him in the 2nd than Evans or Lee in the 1st. I would love to see them take a shot on a DB, preferably someone that could play both corner and safety like Joyner, HHCD, or maybe Dennard.
and is likely not in the top 5 WRs in the draft. 3rd/4th round seems to be his likely landing spot.
Round 1: trade down a few spots for Mike Evans
Round 2: higher second round pick from the trade to get Jason Verrett
Round 3: safety
Round 4: center
Otherwise I will hate Joe Dumars even more!