Tennessee fans think they are getting Jon gruden.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Tennessee fans think they are getting Jon gruden.
Because he will want to go from winning a Super Bowl to coaching a program where their defense resembles GERG
it's unbelieveable how much they believe it. i talked to a couple last night and one swears about how he knows someone that ran into someone that would know and he said it's a done deal, so it's gotta be the truth. the other tells me about how it was a done deal last week but when you ask why they haven't just come out and said it, this time it's because the MNF deal won't let them announce it until the last monday night game this season, which makes absolutely no sense to at all, but i'm a michigan fan so what do i know.
Denial runs deep in Knoxville. Some of the saddest football fans in the nation.
everyone thinks they're getting jon gruden.
This makes me laugh. I have many UT fan friends and I can't wait to see the tears flow when he doesn't go there.
I blame his orange pants
After last night's game against Vandy, even Dooley's mom doesn't think he is a good coach.
Bad coach jokes (best I can do on short notice):
1. He's such a bad coach that MSU fans took him out after yesterday's loss and set him on fire.
2. Well at least Tennessee hasn't had trouble with any of their other recent coaches.
Remember when this looked like the stupidest hire in the world a few years ago?
Well it turns out it went exactly like all the raving message board people thought it would. I still don't understand what Tennessee thought they were going to get out of Dooley
Remember when Hoke looked like the stupidest hire in the world a few years ago?
At least hoke had two coach of the years on his résumé
So raving message board people are 50-50 on coaches. Better odds than most
He just looked worse than Harbaugh, which he probably was as Harbaugh made Stanford into a good team that's about to win the Pac 12 and then took the 49ers to the brink of the Super Bowl .
The meltdown was that we couldn't convince Harbaugh to come home, not that we were taking a flier on Hoke. Lucikily for us it worked out in the end and Hoke's personality has been perfect.
Part of the meltdown was over Rich Rod getting fired in the first place. This website was much more pro-Rodriguez than the average, and also much more anti-Hoke in the beginning. Most fans outside of here liked the Hoke hire a lot.
I never thought it was a stupid hire.
I thought Jim Harbaugh was the best candidate but Hoke was my #2.
He said #2!
I fail to recall this. Then again, I didn't read this board or any others at that time. I liked the Hoke hire but admit I was hoping for Harbaugh.
Anyway, back to the point - Tennessee is an incredible opportunity for any coach out there who gets this job.
Tennessee is not an incredible opportunity. UT is a good opportunity. They are a tier two SEC program along with S. Carolina, Auburn and TAMU, but currently have less talent than all three. It would take very big things for Tennessee to compete with UGA, Florida, LSU and Alabama any time soon.
Really? UT has less talent than Auburn? Considering what Auburn has done this year, that's awfully hard to argue.
Right now they're bad, yes; that's the reason for this whole thread.
But there is a lot of appeal for a coach there - large, rabid fan base, huge stadium, great tradition, SEC recruiting (cant deny the talent there).
Define it as you wish. I consider it to be a premier, destination job in NCAA football.
I think UT is better than that. This is a program that was consistently in the top 10 in the 1990s and early 2000s, won a national title in 1998 and produced Peyton Manning, and which has a 105,000-seat stadium. They seem to be going through the same kind of instability that Alabama recently did before Saban, but with the right coach they'll be a force again.
The only program you list with more is Alabama.
Hoke has a sub .500 career record but he nearly took Ball State to an undefeated season and had built SDSU into respectability.
Dooley had done absolutely nothing. All he had on his resume were 5-7, 8-5, and 4-8 records with Louisiana Tech and a famous dad. That was it. Predictably he went 3-5, 1-7, and 0-7 in SEC play in his time at Tennessee.
Hoke never looked like the stupidest hire in the world to informed message board posters. Dooley always looked like the stupidest hire in the world to informed message board posters.
People in the know, who had seen Hoke up close (not just Michigan guys but people who'd followed him at BSU and SDSU) raved about him. Ironically, it was Craig James who was trumpeting his candidacy the most in the days before he was hired. The "JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS" meme caught on here after he committed the sin of advocating that we hire Hoke.
This was one of the strangest coaching hires I can remember and an obvious disaster from the start. Hoke had won at two places it was difficult to win at (and he left SD ST. in very good shape). Dooley on the other hand had 1 winning season in 3 in the WAC and was coming off a 4-8 season.
Do you think Tressel would fit there?
I doubt a school that got hit with a NCAA recruiting violation recently will want to try to hire a coach with a 'show cause' penalty that is still in effect for 4 years.
Even for the SEC, this would be nuts.
As a Volunteer sympathizer, the only comfort in this comes from knowing that dirty dog Kiffin is in trouble himself at USC. He's the one that set this whole chain of affairs in motion.
not that i'd wish for coaches to get fired, but i guess this helps us with trying to pick up derrick green.
Would Strong go to Tenn? Louisville says they will pay him whatever it takes and if the Mary/Rutgers stuff happens I suspect they will be on there way to the Big12.
Dooley ill will. He deserves it. Remember how he tried to prevent Arnett's tranfser to B1G schools in MI?
To be fair, Arnett has increasingly come off as a fairly significant head-case. I tend to wonder about Arnett's veracity.
If Tenn was smart...they throw the bank at Charlie Strong....if not that then they could sell their souls down the river for wins by going after Petrino.
If I were looking for a pro-style coach that would be my guy. Seeing him on that HBO show I think that he's a good fit for college. That's if they can't get Strong and wish to keep their soul.
from other sec coaches when he was hired......that should have told tennessee all they needed to know.
Will be interesting to see who tennessee hires... I think they go after Kirby Smart........l
I think Fulmer may get a call with the success of Snyder, Solich and even Spurrier.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Fulmer, Strong, or even Alabama DC Kirby Smart get the job.
Mark Dantonio would've be another interesting name if MSU wasn't ass this year--- he certainly has the SEC personality.
At this point, I think Dantonio is comfortable enough in his program that he wouldn't jump for anybody other than the pros, Ohio or one of those few marquee programs a career college coach couldn't turn down (USC, Alabama, Texas)
I always thought I'd hear Kirby Smart's name come up more in coaching hire rumors.
Narduzzi, maybe Dantonio? Can't decide if either one of those guys leaving would be a good thing for Michigan. We'd certainly lose a classic villain in Dantonio. I do think Narduzzi gets a head coaching job somewhere soon.
If Narduzzi leaves, it'll be for a head coaching job at a MAC school. Not Tennessee.
I doubt they hire a coordinator unless his name is Kirby Smart --- that's pretty much the beginning and the end of that list.
Dantonio would be a hot name, but MSU sucks right now and UT fans would shit a brick if they hired Dantonio after the season they've had. He'd definitely fit that conference though.
Smart is waiting for Richt to go and/or Saban for a HC gig there.
Based on the performance of Tennessee's defense, Kirby Smart would be a great hire.
I may be wrong, but I don't see this having a HUGE impact on his recruitment. Both Tennessee and Auburn (who will fire their coach after 'Bama beats them) are still big time programs. They're going to attract big names as they're top jobs. There's nothing that says if a Charlie Strong went to Auburn that Green would still rule them out. Or say UT got a top coach the way Ohio got Urban Meyer.
Unless he has some huge connection to an assistant coach and that coach isn't retained.
You're not really going to lose ground in those situations. Now if one of them hired a coach who was very specific in his type of offense. Say someone from the Oregon system or Gus Malzahn...maybe he doesn't go there because he doesn't want to play in that system. That to me helps Michigan more than anything.
But it's not like we're talking about Vandy and Louisville. Kids are going to those schools to play for Franklin and Strong --- period. If they got fired, you could count both schools out.
In this situation, I think it could help...but I don't think it being an "end-all/buckle up" type situation.
We'll just have to see how it plays out. I think if Michigan was located in the south. He'd already be blue. I think he likes Michigan the best, but wants to play in the south.
Based on Tennessee's last 2 coaching hires I don't think they are going to get a top coach. They are at best 3rd in that division. If your Strong or Smart why not wait for a better job to come open. Oregon may well open this year if Kelly leaves, Kiffin may be on thin ice, Mack Brown is not going to coach forever at Texas. If O'Brien goes to the NFL Penn St. is no longer the dead end job that it looked like it might be.
It's a great time to be a Commodore. They ended their bowl victory drought last year, are going to a bowl game two consecutive years for the first time in forever, dominated Tennessee, and caused them to fire their coach.
So, how long until James Franklin is poached from Vandy?
And people here since, oh, about the fifth game of the year, have decided not to care. I don't think Gruden is quite so far fetched, but I don't think he takes the job. Dantonio occured to me as well. Ultimately, I think Dave Harts order of preference is this:
2 Gary Patterson
3) Kirby Smart
4) Charlie Strong
5) John Chavis
After Strong, the list get progressivly more desperate. I think if John Chavis was more comfortable with UT (He apparently was SUPER pissed with how Fullmer was let go) he would be choice #1. For UT fans, he would be like Hiring Greg Mattison and Hoke at the same time. His family is still in the area, and by all account he still loves UT (I actually have a source for this).
If Gruden comes back its for the NFL and there was word a couple of weeks ago that he was starting to contact possible assistant coaches. Garry Patterson has finally gotten TCU to the Big12. Why would he leave now? He's got a better chance to win at TCU then he does at Tennessee. Maybe they take a run at Tubberville or a guy likes Butch Jones (I'd say Sonny Dykes, but after the Dooley disaster I can't see them doing that again). Dan Mullen could be a possibility
I just think those are the first two names he asks. It would be irresponsible not to. I think Smart is the eventual hire. However bad UT has been the last few years, the combination of football worship, facilities, straight cash, and ability to recruit would be VERY hard for smart to turn down. I think Strong would take the job, too, and would be a pretty popular hire.
I hadn't really considered the Dan Mullen angle, but after thinking about . . . why not. He has done great things with Miss. St. so far. I wonder how switching (head coaching) jobs within the conference would go, however. Seems like a great way to put a huge target on your back, no? Cannot deny what Tennessee has to offer though.
When are people finally going to realize that Gruden is simply a self-generated hype-machine? No doubt his people constantly float his name; otherwise, why would it come up in every job opening? He never immediately discounts the rumors. He always lets them marinate for a while. Also, what did he do in college to warrant such excitement? I know he had one great year in the NFL. Mostly, though, people want him because they see him on tv. It's ridiculous.
First off, his work with QB's before the draft would have a lot of impact on recruiting. And to say he had "one great year" in the NFL is a bit harsh. I think his last two or three seasons he just meddeled too much with his QB's.
Secondly, calling him a "self-generated hype machine" because he doesn't respond to coaching rumors is also a bit too harsh.
Yeah he didn't turn around the raiders or anything. Or win that Super Bowl with the bucs.
College and pro are totally different animals. And he was fired from both nfl jobs.
100% cosign. It's like a Pavlovian response every time a prominent college job opens up.
matt millen disagrees
This may sound crazy but I wouldn't be shocked if Tennessee, Arkansas or Auburn take a look at Dantonio. He would be inclined to take a look right now with his stock on the decline and Michigan and Ohio on the rise. It's going to be interesting to see what happens this offseason. There will be a ton of changes.
They're not hiring an aging guy with a heart condition and a mediocre record this year to rebuilt a program. No chance.
Narduzzi? Maybe. Dantonio? No way. He's old, his best season was going to the Capital One Bowl, and I think he just signed a "Spartan-for-Life" contract at MSU
cannot be blamed for taking the UT job. Kiffin left it in a toxic shit hole sort of condition. No one can win there for a while.
They should re-hire Lane Kiffin after USC fires him. Then in two years when USC rehires Lane Kiffin, Tennessee can bring back Phil Fulmer.
$5 million buyout at age 44. I would just retire.
Man I hope I get fired like that someday. You suck, here's 5 million bucks.
Yeah, I don't have much more motivation to go on after that. A nice high paying career and a 2.5 million dollar severance package IN THE BANK at 44. I'll be at breckenridge and vail in the winter and the thousand islands in the summer.
Who can forget this epic piece of public relations courtesy of LK?
According to my friend in their AD, they want a proven college coach with recruiting knowledge of SEC country: Strong, Tuberville, Schiano, Mullen, Fedora, Pelini in order of fit. All might be tough to pull from current gigs.
I'll still guess Kirby Smart, especially since the Ath Dir Hart came from Bama last year and Kirby is very affordable.
AD Hart openly stating in the press conference that UT is at a total disadvantage due to mismanagement of funds, "academic disadvantages," and other general disarray. S-E-C! S-E-C!
Tennessee, Arkansas, Auburn are A-/B+ jobs. Kentucky a C. Candidate pool is thin, as proven by Gruden dreams by many alum bases.
Mack Brown, Kiffin, Tedford, Ferentz and some others are probably safe another year just because the pool is so thin.
I'm sure there are good candidates. ADs just have to do their homework. The problem at a lot of schools is that, rather than hire a promising but inexperienced guy, a lot of ADs think they need a "home run" hire to appease the fanbase.
Pat Narduzzi is a guy that I'd like to see get a shot somewhere. I don't like his personality but he's clearly a good DC. Give him a ticket out of East Lansing.
I'm sure there are many strong coaches with the political savvy to turn around these programs - but most ADs are risk adverse and super political animals that equate "good" with "obvious" because they want boosters and the media to endorse their choice on day 1.
Harbaugh and Miles were the obvious choices for UM, while DB had to sell Hoke to the masses that he wasn't a contingency hire. DB found a great coach who wasn't obvious.
Dooley was that promising new guy for Tennessee. see how that worked out. Plus the fan base was divided on him at best from the beginning. hell, most of the good support he got was because he wasn't kiffin.
Dooley was just a crappy hire. He went 4-8 the year before at Louisiana Tech, so I don't think he was even that promising of a candidate.