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OT- Day 3 NHL Free Agency
Rumors are just rumors. I'll believe it when I see it. I still think Suter is a Red Wing.
Let's start the Weber '13 hype train
Suter to Wild. Sorry Wings fans
Also, Pittsburgh out of the running for Parise. We'll see where h goes
I guess I'll believe it when I see it. Without trying to sound like a homer, I seriously doubt anyone would pick the Wild over the Red Wings, or hell, even any of the other teams rumored to be in the mix
Wings out of Parise running. Looks like Wild might have a good haul today
Should be interesting to see that team next year.
even with getting them both, it's still Minnesota. They'll find a way to do nothing with it.
They started off well last year before tapering down the stretch. Now they have two more players to join in.
Might not make the playoffs but they'll come mighty close.
Disappointed the Wings didn't sign any of them. Could use some younger players to join in
I don't mean the Wild. I mean, Minnesota teams...as a whole. They have Ohio syndrome.
Parise and Suter to the Wild looks.like a done deal per Twitter
Zach Parise has agreed to terms with MIN.
I don't get it.
The StarTribune states the the wild have agreed to terms with Suter for a 13 year deal.
Parise got a 13 year contract too.
The NHL seems to be the only league where 10 year contracts are permitted. Holy crap.
Both Parise and Suter have signed 13 year deals with Minnesota.
9.3 mil a yr for Suter, 10 mil per year for Parise.
What is with all of the long contracts in the NHL? Isn't a 13 (!!) year deal just a little bit risky in any contact sport?
The salary cap is set up so that the amount of money that counts against the cap is the entire salary divided by the number of years. What teams do to get some extra cap room is sign top heavy deals that will extend beyond the player's career.
For example, Zetterberg signed a 12 year deal for 6 million for the first 10 years and 1 million for the last 2 years. So even though we are paying him 6 mil a year, only 5. 17 goes toward the cap. Zetterberg will prolly retire after 10 years (if not then we can release and re-sign), and we get almost an extra million of cap room every year.
So in the NHL, it makes sense to sign LONG term deals : )
Wow so ummm we're boned. Time to overpay for Matt Carle and even then we still will have a below average defense. Getting Suter was an absolute must, this stings big time.
Matt Carle signed with Tampa Bay.
If the Wild win a Stanley Cup, it will be a travesty - just like if the Kings were to ever win one!
Wonderful. Well it will be interesting to see what the next moves are going to be. Also does this put us in front for Weber next year?
We're when they signed Gomez, Drury and Redden in the same offseason? Didn't work too well for them.
We have something like 17 forwards on our roster with Tootoo and Sammy. Holland must have a plan B involving a trade and it may be for Aucoin of the Coyotes.
We have 15 under contract (Dats, Z, Franzen, Filp, Cleary, Sammy, Helm, Bert, Tootoo, Brunner, Eaves, Nyquist, Miller, Mursak, Emmerton). Abbdelkader and Homer are Free Agents right now.
Aucoin signed with the Bluejackets
I guess the only good thing that comes from this is to see what the other free agents are doing.
As for the Wild, well I hope you guys are glad you just spent 200 million on 2 players, because the rest of your roster is still kind of a joke
I hope we don't lose our playoff streak.
is on the decline. The Wings are no longer Stanley Cup contenders, the Tigers suck, and the Pistons are terrible.
It looks as if the Leo's are our only hope for a professional title.
Good God indeed. It's like Bizarro World or something.
God dammit! They took our captain! Our friggin' captain. Just ripped the heart out of our team. I'm gutted.
What is happening to the world? Guys used to come to Detroit at a discount. Now they won't come even when we have extra money to throw at them? We've got to get Semin or I'm gonna be really worried. Haven't heard anything about him though. I don't know who could help out the defense at this point. As always the Wings need some muscle to balance out their skill guys. And I hope someone appears before next year other than Shea Weber. There's way too much animosity toward him in Detroit after the playoffs this year.
Well Detroit, time to sign Carle and Semin. Save the room for (hopefully) Weber next year.
Players are overrated and not worth the money
Think about it. Suter & Parise both for 13 years a piece at 90+ million. Would have been nice to get one, but both?!?! That's a monster chunk of cash to 2 guys. FOR 13 YEARS!!!
Is Suter really a 7-8 million dollar player? I don't think so. He was just a bright spot on a bad team. To me, it's tough to evaluate that risk of such a big contract.
Parise, on the other hand, is solid. Could have used him and worth 6-7 million. But I never envisioned him here anyway.
Look at Kronwalls deal. We got him til like 2045. Since he signed that deal, he's been declining. No one will take his deal from us. Unless he restructures, we're stuck.
Too bad NHL contracts are guaranteed and you can't restructure them.
Kronwall has had literally 1 season on his new deal. And he was pretty good this year for us. He had 1 less point, but had 4 more goals than last year.
I'm thinking you meant Franzen
I never thought I would live to see the day when the Lions have the best chance to win a championship. The Wings are screwed unless one of our late round picks turns into all stars. Ken Holland has not done too well these past few years.
However, the wild overpaid forr Suter and Parise. Only a moron would take a 9.3M cap hit for Suter. It isn't like Parise is Sidney Crosby.
Suter's cap hit is a touch over $7.5 million. It's a lot, but certainly not the worst contract out there.
Ooooooooooops double post. Sorry.
Not sure where jasputan saw that, but Suter is not a 9.3M cap hit. Both are getting 98 Million for 13 years, which is a tad over 7.5M per year.
Jasputen's post above stated a 9.3M cap hit. My bad.
Point still stands the Wild believe that Suter is the next coming of Orr.
The wings are completely screwed for next season. I miss the old ways of the prior CBA, when the wings could create an all star team aka 2002.
Seems like a bunch of money being spent on two players, regardless of how good they are, but I'm not up on NHL salary structures and caps to know if this makes sense. But if a team like Min can spend almost $200MM on player salaries, I do wonder if that is a sign the league is doing well financially or the Wild will be stuck with a really expensive, bad team 5 years from now.
I'm willing to bet that the Wild's franchise is doing well financially. They sell out just about every home game and the fan base is insane like Wing's fans. I am sure that the league is doing better overall than a few years back but there are still teams that I believe are in a little financial turmoil
yep teams like Phoenix who still in turmoil and going back to court on Monday to determine if the city has the legal power to support the team with grants. If you want Doan root for the Goldwater institute in court on Monday.
They aren't doing that great.
I'm sure they sell out and do well, but it just seems like quite a bit of money for a sport that has limited appeal and a media and advertising structure that strays from more high-revenue sports like football and basketball.
At least they didn't pick Auburn or USC over us...
the internet said the Red Wings are getting them both.
Wow talk about over paying for two players have fun with that wild ill enjoy seeing them limp in the playoffs like they do every year
A $7.5 million cap hit isn't really that crazy for some of the best players in hockey...
Honestly, I wanted Suter more than Parise, but after seeing those deals, I'm OK with neither of them being with the Wings.
Go after Nash and Bouwmeester. Nash has 6 years left, and Bouwmeester has 2. The combined contracts are less than Suter/Parise combined. Bouwmeester's value is really low right now so I think he could be had for cheap, but his skillset is one that could thrive in the Wings system.
Wouldn't mind Keith Yandle either, but I think he would be tougher to get than Bouwmeester.
Columbus wants Franzen and Filppula along with Smith or Nyquist AND picks. Stay the hell away from Nash.
Out of curiosity, how do you know Columbus' asking price?
Anyway, Franzen is locked down to 8 more years at almost $4 per, is 32, and has never played a full NHL season. The most points Franzen has scored in a season is 59.
Filppula is the most frusterating player on the Wings. Last year was the first year he's truely had a really good season, but with signing Helm to a big deal, along with Filppula's expiring contract, makes Filppula expendable. Combined, their contracts would be $6.9, while Nash's contract is $7.8. So you get rid of Frazen's horrible contract, and still have almost $16 mil in cap space. Paying $2.15 mil per season for Helm, that contract is not 4th line money. He's going to have to move to the 3rd line center.
As far as Nyquist, and Smith goes, that's expected. The Wings are going to have to give up prospects is any deal. The thing is no one truely knows how good these guys will be.
And draft picks? Honestly, the Wings haven't really hit on any of their top picks so far in the past few years. They do better late in the draft. Can't really say anything about Frk, or Jurko, but here's the past few top picks since Smith in 2007:
2010 - Sheahan
2009 - Ferraro
2008 - McCollum
All three have actually declined. I wouldn't be opposed at all to the Wings getting rid of their top draft pick(s).
Honestly, if the Blue Jackets want Franzen, I would jump at the offer. If Franzen could put together an entire season with a clean bill of health, I think he would have one of the most team friendly contracts in the game considering Hudler just go $4 mil per year. Problem is Franzen is on the wrong side of 30, and is locked up untl 40. I just don't see him being healthy for the next 8 years. Detroit would get Nash, who is 4 years younger, and his contract expires when he's 34. There's a lot of upside all around with Nash and his contract.
Like I've written before, for #RedWings to get Rick Nash, would take comb. of Filppula, Franzen, prospects like Smith, Nyquist, plus picks.
— Helene St. James (@HeleneStJames) July 4, 2012
Any trade for Nash is going to involve Smith which is just asking way to much. He's gonna be a solid Defenceman, and if we trade him then we would have 4 guys under contract.
As for Nash? If we're going to trade for offense I would rather go after Bobby Ryan. He's younger, probably easier to get, and I believe is more talented.
While Bobby Ryan is a solid player, he is nowhere near the level of Nash. Nash was a top forward on Team Canada. I'm not even sure Bobby Ryan makes the roster for Team Canada. I agree it's not worth it to give up all those players for him but if we are talking talent, I take Rick Nash 100 times out of 100 over Bobby Ryan.
But at this point no way you trade Brandon Smith unlesss you get a top 4 d-man back in return. Without Lidstrom and Stuart our D is looking rough. Thank god Holland traded for Quincey cause there is not much on the FA market...
I understand where you are coming from, but do you really think the Wings are a contender without making a really big move? We were a pretty bad team at the end of last year, AND we lost Nick Lidstrom.
I think the Wings are a 5-6 seed again without any moves, which is fine. But if we want to contend we have to get a guy like Nash. Losing Nyquist would hurt, but I'm fine with shipping Franzen's arse out.
Hopefully the wings can trade for yandle from phoenix he is one of the top defensemen in the league and also sign Shane doan
Yandle is a terrible defender. Moves the puck very well and all that, but we need guys to play lockdown D
I guess we'll see soon enough if the Wings can afford to go after Lockdown D guys. We also need bodies
Think the wings new focus will be on signing Matt Carle and Carlo Colaiacovo. Both are solid defensemen. Another name you might want to look into is Alexander Semin who if he improves work ethic is a better pure scorer than Zach Parise.
I doubt they would ever trade him but I think Alex Pietrangelo from the Blues is probably one of the best Dmen would could acquire. He's 22 years old, has good size(6'4), and is a solid defender and moves the puck well. I would guess that the Blues need some depth scoring, but I don't know what price if any they'd request for their top D.
What about that Karlsson guy. He's good and Swedish. Heard good things about the Doughty kid too. And maybe Letang from Pittsburgh? He would be ok if the Wings didn't overpay to get him.
IMO Karlsson and Letang aren't that great at playing actual defense. Doughty is excellent, possibly the best in the league when he's 100 percent, but I doubt the Kings would move him seeing as he is basically their franchise player and they just won the cup.
That's the joke. All of the guys mentioned, including the Blues guy, are franchise players the Wings would never get
Whatever you can to get Shea Weber. Those of you who want Semin clearly are unaware of how that guy can disappear and how terrible he is off the ice.
Weber or bust at this point. How else do you even remotely replace Lidstrom now?
Was not going to "replace" Lidstrom, we need bodies at this point. IMO, a trade of so e sort is in the mix...
Lightning sign Matt Carle. Panic time has started for the Wings
Time to tank for a top three pick?
That's never going to be accepted here. After 21 seasons of success you think the team is just going to fall to the bottom? Plus what is 1 player going to do?
worked for Pittsburgh after Lemieux retired...
The blueline is looking scary at the moment. Only five signed defensemen on the roster. If Holland doesn't sign a top four defenseman then we are going to be cycling two way players with the griffins all season.
tanking was accepted during the dead wings era...
Yeah, so ummm maybe Holland and Illitch can go to where ever the hell Lidstrom is chilling right now and beg him to come out of retirement