well that's just, like, your opinion, man
The dad sounds like bad news. Supposedly he was missing for most of Davonte's life, but has recently come back to make things right. Read into that what you will.
That's Ruh-boy-do Boucher
Sounds like Seantrell Henderson also. This is a frustration about the recruiting process and I wonder about the NCAA (not really since I know they fail in so many ways) and their recruiting rules. Bigger concern is absent fathers; it is a real drag on kids and their futures (possibly biggest understatement of the century).
Man, notre dame is lowering their standards allowing kids in elementary school to possibly go there.
Edit: he edit, joke RUINED!
Maybe that will help break the tie?
I hope they then had the kids chant, "We won't be like Davonte."
I don't know who to blame. At any rate, as an Arizona student, I hope Rodriguez rescinds his scholarship offer. I don't want a kid like this at my university. You have to put at least some of the blame on Davonte. He is old enough to be responsible for his decisions, but it's also obvious that there was something missing from his moral education. Even if all else failed, he should have called to cancel the assembly.
Rescind the offer? How does this warrant such an act? You have no idea as to what role the father has in this decision and the control that he may or may not have on his son. Wait for some facts before you label his character next time, please.
The role of the father, as reported by multiple sources close to Davonte, is refusing to sign a LOI to anywhere except Notre Dame. Unless Luke Neal told his son Davonte Neal that he could not leave the house, call to cancel, or do anything to rectify the situation at his decision assembly, then I find Neal blameworthy. In a nutshell, if Neal was compelled and could not do otherwise, then I would consider him immune from moral responsibility. However, this is unlikely, and that is why I have made a judgment of character. Certainly, Davonte could redeem himself, but I am making the claim that he now must redeem himself.
Kid is 17 and has a Dad that has been absent in his life but won't sign his LOI. This kid is not a terrible person. I have a feeling you look like this right now:
I am just trying to hold people to a high standard because I respect them and myself. I guess I'm empathizing with the parents who had children in that auditorium.
I don't blame you for emphasizing with those parents, but you're choosing to blame the 17 year old instead of the adult, which is why people are disagreeing with you.
Not sure you quite hit the right verb there, chief.
Nope, sure didn't.
Those kids lost an hour of their lives. Davonte Neal is apparantly dealing with a serious disagreement over where to spend the next four years, and is fighting with his (previously absent?) father in the process.
He's 17, so depending on the circumstances I'm willing to potentially cut him a good amount of slack.
I blame the principal for taking kids out of class. He's sending a message that success lies in athletic pursuits, rather than academic. Very few of the kids in the auditorium are likely to be successful in life through an athletic related vocation.
Exactly, I'm sure there is at least one student in that district who is going to attend a TOP university, possibly on scholarship. Who is the better (and more realistic) student to encourage students to look up to and help to choose the right path, even if the kids aren't going to get a full ride to Princeton, going to college at all might be a huge achievement for some of them.
haha calm down man...he's not your kid.
Well, this is when a parent needs to step back and let the kid make his own decision.
I wish Chris Spielman's dad would have took your advice.
If I recall, the story was related as you can go to Michigan, but you can't come home afterwards. The final decision was, at least ostensibly, still up to Chris.
Hm, not much of a decision. Sounds like disowning him if he chose something else.
Just last year, Kyle Kalis's dad tied Kyle up, threw him in the back of a pick-up, drove him to Ann Arbor, and dropped him off at Schembechler Hall. He also reportedly threatened to shoot Kyle's dog if Kyle tried to leave Michigan.
[Sources: Bucknuts, 11W]
For the Principals and teachers who are letting all these kids out of school time to watch some guy say where he's going to college?? I'd be pissed if that was my tax dollars at work. Sorry enough that they let someone out of class to announce, but to pull classrooms full of kids who should be learning to WATCH the him do it? (Or not do it, as the case may be)
Well if it was only supposed to be a 30 minute thing I don't see why not. It would have been good for the kids to see that and have a good role model. The problem is that he didn't show and was therefore a bad role model....
Yeah why should we give Elementary school kids an example of what hard work and dedication can do for them. I would be pissed too!
...or are 6'7" and 280 lbs!
I'm sure the next time they have a student deciding between Harvard, Yale, and the University of Michigan they're going to take everyone out of class to see where he picks....because that would be something to REALLY set an example for kids. But somehow I'm guessing that's not going to happen. (And do you really think elementary school kids are getting life decisions advice on what an athlete who used to go to their school does? Or even contemplating such things).
Seriously. The last thing elementary school kids need is more prima donna athletes being put on a pedestal.
If the principal truly doesn't mind giving up instructional time for some motivational talk regarding hard work and dedication, I expect there are other and better examples available. While having an athlete in obviously brings a level of excitement, kids have to know that they can succeed even without a 4.3 40.
Yeah, that sucks and is a troubling sign about recruiting. I don't know what the fix is in this situation, but someone getting across to him about how many people took time out of their days for him and were excited to see him would be at least a start. I don't have a problem with taking time to decide, but no-showing in a situation like that without a cancelling phone call sucks.
this could easily have been a principal wanting to show his young students where life can take them. He might have chosen a young man in a better situtation, of course. I would have, needless to say. My hindsight is always 20/20.
Didn't Neal try to commit to OSU but Urb didn't let him because he was holding out for Stephon Diggs?
Most people on Arizona boards believe this.
know Alex Kozan?
I hope he picks AZ. I don't want to face him. Hell will freeze over before AZ goes to a Rose Bowl in the next five years.
Honestly, I don't see what's so improbable about it. USC is going to have one more season before they're destroyed by scholarship restrictions, Stanford is on the decline, Oregon could very well be looking at a coaching change and bowl ban. The Pac isn't going to have any of their current powers in good condition in the next few years, IMO.
Maybe Utah or ASU or UCLA will be around to mop up, but I don't see why it couldn't just as easily be Arizona.
Even with USCs scholarship restrictions, their classes will be better than U of A. Stanford just signed the 5th best class is the country, so I'm not sure why they're on the decline. And UCLA just hired a new coach who signed a grat class as well. That's before looking at schools like Washington and Cal who are both in better spots than U of A. And there's always Oregon.
I would think that without Luck and Harbaugh most people see Stanford as falling off a little. I mean they've got good players now, and are riding a big wave, but if/when that waves dies can they still compete? And history tells us that Stanford hasn't held consistent success
But historically, Stanford hasn't recruited like this either. So although I also expect a little drop off, they should still be one of the best PAC 12 teams for a while.
And if we're relying so much on what history has told us, then Stanford still has a lot better of a shot than Arizona to make the Rose Bowl.
But Arizona would need exceptional coaching to go to their first Rose Bowl. After all, they've been to exactly zero in their history so far.
Is Tony G involved with this kid as his recruiter? The Snake Oilz is strong with that one.
But this nugget from Irish Envy was too good to skip:
"Just stated clearly that Neal wants AU and dad wants ND....come on dad pull the belt out!!"
Something about asking a father to beat a commitment out of his son seems like a very apt summary of the state of Notre Dame Football.
It may usually be lame but given the posters handle ([email protected]) I think it's ok to repost.
Spare the rod......
I have often wondered what kind of parent could send their son off to play for Mr. Grape. That question is answered, I can ponder the next one now.
I wonder if RR is telling him he can play QB like Denard, and ND is telling him Percy Harvin 2.0. If I'm that kid i pick AZ and Denard all day. BK's temper tantrums seem to be cancelled out by RR's so the purple face is a non-factor.
I am by no means a RichRod defender, but surely you can't be serious when you equate RR's "temper tantrums" to BK's epic, televised, near-homicidal nuclear detonations?
RR (and UNC) are telling him he can play both ways as a WR and DB as well as return man. Everyone else wants him to play one way.
Richrod just can't catch a break anywhere
Does Devonte know he doesn't have to sign a LOI? There is no requirement for a recruit to sign a LOI if a recruit and his college coach agreed agree on a scholarship. A LOI is more of a legal document to bind/protect each party but it is not a requirement.
He CAN'T sign one for almost a year. He will almost certainly be 18 by then, yes?
If RR is offering a shot at QB you take that offer all day.
His pops definately see's what ND used to be and how he will be on tv all the time blah blah and returning to glory since 1992.
2. Neal wants to be QB
4. Profit /LOI to Arizona
Rich Rod recently gave a job to Neal's high school head coach, which is interesting.
Yeah, this totally has to do with Neal and not the fact that Rich Rodriguez has had a preexisting relationship with the coach in question for years, as he was at Chapparal frequently during the recruitment of both Taylor Lewan and Craig Roh. He has maintained that relationship since and has been in on even more Chapparal kids than Neal.
RR knows he needs to surround himself with people who know Arizona and the area well. This is most likely why he hired the Chapparal High School coach. Not because of a recruit he may or may not have had a chance of landing.
He should save us all the trouble...and go to a JuCO or prep school...seems like that's how this story always ends.
He can room with other undecided kids like Kozan.
Where are you KOZAN!!
Going to announce soon. Per twitter.
What the hell is a high school doing pulling everyone out of class for a recruiting decision? What a joke. Not to mention the father not letting the kid choose his school. This is the dark underbelly of what we all pay way too much attention too (myself included)
I don't know if that makes it better or worse?
He's going to ND. It's on twitter.
Hopefully he wasn't forced by his dad, that would be sad all the way around.
Neal planned on commiting to ND this morning but he had a family emergency possibly relating to his cousin who recently passed away. He did not change his mind nor was he forced to go to ND by his Dad. After he signed the LOI and faxed it in he went to the Elementary school and went class to class apoligizing for this morning.
the truth isn't particularly entertaining.
Can choose your friends, can't choose your family. "Sperm donor" should be this Jack**s' legal title.
ESPN.com. Hope the young man does not end up receiving the wrath of Coach Kelly. He better have his head turned the right way on a crossing route.
EDIT: link-- http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7599213...
Well, he committed ND. Per... Espn bottom line. Haha