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OT-Dark Knight Rises - WITH Spoilers
Great, but I just think it would've been cool if at the end they just would've showed Alfred's smirk, and left just a little doubt that he survived.
Did he die at the end?
No, he had corrected the auto pilot so the plane flew itself out with the bomb while he escaped. What I don't understand is why he allowed everyone to think he was dead? Any one?
I think there was a few reasons. I think one of the reasons was to start of fresh with Catwoman, who he was with at the end, as well as to go back as the silent protector of Gotham. The bat signal was fixed for Lt Gordon, Lucus Fox knows from Autopilot, and Alfred learned from the sighting.
I don't know but I can't wait for the Night wing, Batman, and Catwoman one in the future,
Sorry misunderstood the question. What do you guys think about Robin being introduced? I think it's more to give some closure to the whole plot (showing Gotham will still have a protector) than anything else, I think (and hope) there wont be a Robin movie in the future. And if there is, it wouldn't be able to be done in the same Nolan theme, and certainly not with Batman. I cant see Nolan's batman fighting crime with a sidekick, and Robin seemed ready to be a solitary hero himself. But at the same time, a Robin movie in the same theme would just end up being another Batman movie.
The only thing I could see them doing at this point would be a Robin movie with a few other heroes, some new villains (like the Riddler perhaps), and a slightly less serious tone. Probably not done by Nolan. I dont think even that will happen though.
I thought the ending set up for detective robin ( in the movie) to be the new batman. And that bale would just live peacefully from then on.
A lot of Nolan's stories are open ended to interpretation. Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle can live happily ever after making little masked babies. Blake can become Batman. Batman could be needed again and Wayne could come back, with a Robin. Wayne could come back and mentor a new Batman in a Batman Beyond sort of way. And discovering the cave with lights, Bruce thought dead, and everyone rag tag and going their own way, but with a full team in place, it all had a very Dark Knight Returns feel to it too, so he could come back and fight for justice, but not alone.
Since it's te last movie, that's the great part- they're all valid.
I have thought I read that Christopher Nolan says this is the last Batman movie in this trilogy, but he never said anything about a Batman and Robin movie. And with Christopher Nolan's Man of Steel coming out next year, you gotta anticipate a Justice League film as well.
Either way, with the ending of the Dark Knight Rises, I highly doubt this is the last time we see Batman under Nolan's direction.
Doesn't mean they can't back up an armored truck to them and change their minds. Or buy them a small island. But I doubt it. Doesn't mean that Noan couldn't produce a movie, like Superman. Or that tey won't reboot it right away (and maybe to get it a more Justice League friendly feel).
I am really excited to see what he does with Superman. That franchise has been so bad when it comes to movies ever since Christopher Reeve was no longer Superman.
[edit: Man of Steel: Zach Snyder is the director, Christopher Nolan is a writer. I am still excited to see what can be done with it. It should be well done based on previous work]
Nolan didn't even want to do this movie. They convinced him to do this one, but he said he was done after that. He's a creative director and I don't think he wants to be stuck trying to outdo himself in every installment of Batman.
If Joseph Gordon-Levitt was supposed to be a second batman, they wouldn't have even mentioned his name was Robin. I thought that making him Robin was a perfect ending. As someone else mentioned, it gives closure knowing that someone is still watching over the city. However, noone will go see a Robin movie, so there's no temptation to make another.
goes back to his original intent from the first movie. He wanted to be a symbol for the citizens of Gotham to inspire them to do good. While working as the Batman he knew this was temporary , he couldn't do this indefinitely. By creating an ideal for others, this would be a much long lasting solution than his physical body could ever accomplish. The statue erected shows that he had succeeded.
Personally I loved the movie. The pacing compared to the DK was much slower but the scope is much gander and I loved the ending,
A+. I wonder how he can sustain himself now that his money and house are gone. Is this really the last movie?
Word is that the studio is fully intent on continuing batman, however just with Nolan as a producer and most likely without Bale. Whether that means rebooting it altogether ( ala Spiderman) or perpetuating Nolan's version is of course yet to be decided.
Honestly, I think the ending of this movie sets up perfectly for the series to continue with Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman/Robin/Nightwing. We'll just have to see...
A+. Absolutely positively the best ending movie to a trilogy since the Return of the Jedi. It was just as good, if not slightly better than The Dark Knight. Bane was honestly terrifying (Nolan did a fantastic job casting him).
It was more than great action, it was actually kind of emotionally rough to see.
Love the aspect of no music on this part...added to the savagery.
I was actually kind of concerned that they were going to leave that scene out because of the brutality. I dont know why I ever doubted Christopher Nolan...
When Bane told the world the news that Lt. Gordon was saving, I could not help to smile.
It was remarkable. Seeing Big Ben and Hines Ward was cool, although it didn't make much sense because it was New York. Regardless it was amazing, top 5 best movies I've ever seen.
That was Gotham. Hehe.
It was really good!! I didn't understand the whole old prison thing, where bane saved the what's her face.
Better than The Dark Knight. Great ending, although I think it'd be fun to argue about how the ending represents the selfishness of Batman and the hero character.
sucked. I'll write an explanation after i've slept on it.
Just because too many loved it and I haven't seen it.
I thought it was fantastic. Great story, characters, and fight scenes. Hardy was awesome as Bane. Even Anne Hathaway was good which I wasn't really expecting.
A. Great movie. I did think that some parts of the plot and storyline were clunky and forcefed to you, but thats being picky. The Dark Knight was better as the nuances were a little more polished and the bad guy a little more believeable.
The scene in the pit where Batman had the broken bat was weird. How in the hell did he recover so fast.
If you catch a line in Gotham, they say they've been under a mad man's rule for like 3 months. So he was there awhile. And I assume the broken back wasn't as severe as in the comics. And...it's Batman. :-)
When they take the core out of the reactor Bane says in 5 months it'll become unstable enough to detonate on its own. Batman gets back to Gotham with less than a day remaining. That's how long he was in the prison.
So...it turns out some guy killed a bunch of people at this movie near Denver. 15 confirmed dead. WTF is wrong with people?
I was going to whine about it until I saw that.
There's another thread to wonder what te hell is wrong with humanity.
explain the what they did to Wayne Enterprises at the stock exchange? Did they steal somehow or something?
I'm guessing they used his prints to authorize buying worthless stock or something like that
To do risky speculation on worthless stocks.
I believe that some sort of "transaction" was made that would bankrupt Bruce and would clear the way of his removal from the board so that Bane/Talia could take control of the reactor.
They invested all of the funds in useless futures contracts. A future contract, for those of you who don't know, is a contract to purchase or sell a foreign currency in a short period of time, usually less than 90 days. This can be extremely risky depending on what you want it to do. When the currency collapsed, it took all of Wayne Enterprises money as well.
You're alive! I don't know whether to be happy or disappointed.
My curiosity is who will the character "Robin" end up being, Batman or Nightwing? Also, here's a curveball for you, the little boy that robin was talking to at the beginning of the movie whose brother died was named Tim Drake. That is also the name of one of the robins from the comic book. So, they could replace batman and use the young boy as robin.
I liked the movie for the most part, Bane was great, the action was good, the cameos by the Steelers were cool, but I am so dissapointed by the ending. For what Christopher Nolan brought to the Batman franchise, a darker and more gritty look at Gotham City and the character of Batman, I thought the ending didn't fit at all. I was semi-mad when I thought that he died from the explosion over the ocean; even though its a pretty weak death, I was glad Nolan had the balls to kill him. I then went to just mad when they revealed he was still alive because of the autopilot. It felt like a cop-out to me, that for some reason Nolan decided to make a more sugar coated happy ending, and I really didn't like that. I went into the movie fully expecting Bane to ultimately kill Batman, with Gordon, Robin, or Catwoman saving the day after he died. I wanted it to be a gut-wrenching emotional moment to see Batman die at the hands of a great villan.. I feel like that would have made the movie much more powerful, and align with what I thought Nolan was going for when he took over the franchise. Overall I might give TDKR another watch when it comes out on DVD, but as of now I must say that I am wholly underwhelmed by this instalment.
What DID you think he was going for when he made the movies? A tragedy?
Killing Batman would have been extremely selfish of Nolan. It would have wreaked of "no one else can do Batman because I killed him".
Well, no one else should do Batman. Nolan's shoes are unfillable.
There's also the argument that Batman did die. Remember that Alfred states that sometimes in Florence he thinks he sees Bruce. Maybe Bruce wasn't actually there. I don't recall Catwoman turning around towards the camera (I remember thinking it was odd at the time).
But then you need to ignore that auto-pilot was fixed... It would have been much more Nolan-esque if he just showed Alfred smile at the end without showing Bruce. I have the feeling that that was an option and he probably decided to give closure, this being a mega block buster with not the most nuanced people in the audience that would appreciate it.
seeing it tonight!!! SOOOOOO PUMPED!
Loved the movie but it doesn't quite top the Dark Knight for me.
The ending was fantastic. Loved how Nolan wrapped up everything. Can't wait to buy it on Blu ray.
Despite a couple (ok, a lot) of suspension of disbelief moments, I thought it was awesome and lives up to the first two and expectations. I mean really, the US just lets the biggest city in the country stay under siege for 5 months? I love the Robin twist and the daughter of Raz Algul (sp?) was a good one that caught me off guard as well. Michael Cain turned in another stellar performance as Alfred. It's a pretty amazing body of work when you take all three movies together, it has a uniform, coherent feel through all three that's missing in a lot of trilogies. I thought the ending was a bit "Hollywoodized" but I suspect Nolan was pressured into that for more mass apeal. My wife, for example, didn't really like it because it was too dark and I think if they didn't show the happy ending with Catwoman, she would have liked it even less. Anyway, I enjoyed it very much and can't wait for Nolan's version of Superman
Agreed, the ending seemed a little Hollywood-ized, which is to be expected.
I'm very interested to see a Director's Cut, if they ever release one. I would suspect that Nolan may have wanted to go with a slightly different ending but also, despite being nearly 3 hours long, it seemed like there were a few things missing that might have got cut, especially during Wayne's time in the prison.
Went to the 12:45 AM IMAX showing this morning. The theater I went to had at least 2 cop cars in front of it that I saw, and had a lot of security around the IMAX theater. The theater was almost sold out, I thought that was a good sign that people aren't afraid to go out and see a movie just because of one psychopath.
Anyway, I thought the movie was amazing. Tom Hardy did to Bane what Heath Ledger did for Joker. I'm so happy Bane finally got a proper story as opposed to his ridiculous showing in Batman & Robin where he was just a bumbling fool. Anne Hathaway did a great job as Catwoman. The whole story came together nicely.
Couple of things:
I knew John Blake was Robin, or another potential super hero (Nightwing, potential next Batman) right after Batman told him he should wear a mask.
I knew Talia was Talia right after she had sex with Bruce.
The only gripe movie wise I had was I figured Batman was disguising his voice so no one would find out his identity. That went out the window when he was talking to Catwoman after she knew he was Bruce Wayne. What was up with that?
Also, Nolan said he was done with Batman. The movie pretty much set up a Robin movie, which I would be completely happy with. Maybe The Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask, or Hush would be the main villian. Personally, I would love to see Hush take on the Bruce Wayne persona, Everyone already thinks he's dead anyway.